trying to set an example
- 06-07-2011, 02:16 AM
trying to set an example
Ok so im 18 and my friends wanted to start a ph cycle with me, i thought why not, set up a good pct whats the worst that can happen. But as i have looked around and actually looked around and did my own research Ive decided not to, and wont anytime soon. im going to start a log to show that you dont need to take a ph at an age close to mine, ill be running a muscle pharm stack (assualt,recon,bulletproof) and a weight gainer. ill keep a log and show my gains over about a month or month and a half (to resemble a cycle) and see how close i can resemble to someone actually taking a ph. ill make my first post on Wednesday hopefully as my base stats to show where im starting at. i hope to get my supplies in the mail in the following week.
- 06-07-2011, 02:25 AM
im in. good for you to making the right decision.so many kids just wana take PHs but dont realize all the factors. so me, other than the obvious health concerns, the number one factor is this...
Lets say u start at 150. take Hdrol, bump up to 160. if you arent eating for your new weight, your going to lose all of your gains. so taking that cycle was literally pointless unless you count hurting your own body as a positiveIron Forged Nutrition Rep
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- 06-07-2011, 02:31 AM
i agree, i know allot of kids that took ph during highschool and you could always tell when they were on it and when they came off because they would lose absolutely everything, my friends tried to convince me that they have it "perfected" now but im seeing amazing results just busting my butt at the gym, hell in one week i added 25 pounds to my max bench. i just want to show them that we already have the resources to see massive gains and get big, you just have to work you a** off and not try to find a short cut
06-07-2011, 08:51 AM
06-07-2011, 09:04 AM
Through serious illness I dropped to 60kg and started weight training again last June. I had atrophied so much I couldn't walk up the stairs on my own and failed to lift a 25lb EZ bar from the floor. I have got back to 85kg at 10% body fat without the use of anabolics and have the same mindset as you. A large proportion of my weight training friends are using some form of AAS.
Huge kudos to you. If there is anything I can do to help please feel free to ask.
Best of luck.
06-07-2011, 11:26 AM
06-07-2011, 12:29 PM
one of my friends already agreed to switch up and do the cycle im doing instead of a ph cycle. i feel good haha
06-07-2011, 12:39 PM
The MusclePharm stack is great, but honestly, at your age, you don't need any supplements but the Basic Staples (creatine, multivitamin, good fats, protein, and BCAAs) to gain mass and strength - I don't recommend using anything else but these basic staples until you are older and have built up a solid training base - NUTRITION AND TRAINING are what are going to get you results!
Even at your age, eating and training right, you are NOT going to get the gains of a hormonal cycle, but you should be able to make gains rapidly, especially if you're only starting to train seriously and properly now.
Just a note that if you want gains, then you need to eat enough for them, and no supplement (vene Musclepharm ones, good as they are) is going to help you gain muscle if you're not eating for it, period! NUTRITION and TRAINING are the two factors that you need to focus on. FOOD, FOOD, and MORE FOOD is going to be IMPORTANT - if you want muscle gains, you needs to EAT for it!
Next to nutrition for mass is training. You can be busting your ass in the gym, but you won't necessarily get anywhere if you are not training correctly for mass - check out the article How To Maximize Mass Through Weights And Adaptation for an idea of how to train correctly for mass. And although The Essential 8 is in the fat loss section, the same exercises that are best for fat loss are also the best for gaining muscle! You also need to get adequate recovery, since it's in your RECOVERY that you GROW (if you are eating enough).
06-07-2011, 09:32 PM
I know that the supplements im going to take aren't the best for my body now, but i want something to give me an extra boost on gains and this is a safer way to do that, im not going to argue saying i should do them but a normal staple of creatine and vitamins just isn't going to cut it, and yes i do eat a ton! but my metabolism is wicked fast and i honestly cant eat enough to keep m caloric intake high enough to gain. Im sure i can get gains resembling gains of someone that runs a ph cycle at my age honestly because ive seen there gains and what ive been getting, its not to far off, i do train 3 times harder than they do though so thats where it comes in at. thats why im going to do this log x) no one believes it till they see it. talk is cheap hahaha
06-09-2011, 02:05 AM
i wanted to post my first log today and have my base log down before i get my supplements, but the gym was packed and could barely get in the excersizes i want, so ill do it friday.
06-09-2011, 02:34 AM
06-09-2011, 03:03 PM
of course i cant get the same results as someone using a ph cycle at the right age and the right way, im saying im going to get the gains of someone my age that were trying to use a ph cycle, including pct, in the end ill have better gains than what they would have had, someone who is the proper age to do a ph cycle is going to blow past my gains and keep them also, but someone my age that is going to run a ph cycle will get good gains then lose half of them, and im saying i can get the gains of that or better than that person.
06-09-2011, 05:01 PM
06-09-2011, 06:30 PM
haha ok im not going to argue over the subject x) i have failed to see one person my age run a ph cycle and keep there gains. bottom line is they shouldn't be running the cycle anyways.
06-09-2011, 06:33 PM
06-27-2011, 02:39 AM
Sorry for the long break between posts, been super busy, i just graduated highschool so been dealing with all that stuff. i did have time to go to the gym though just not enought time to post my logs, ill put up two right now and idk if its just me but some of my gains seem pretty crazy hahaha.
210-1 rep two sets
150- 13 reps/ 10 reps
Tri extensions_cable machine
125-5/4 second set
Wide grip pullups / Dips
Narrow grip pullups / dips
fwd raises / lat raises db
Weighed in at 165, this is one week before i started my cycle of muscle pharm products
06-27-2011, 02:48 AM
Lat pulls _ cable
235-2... second rep i got spotted, barely
tri extensions_ cable
Wide grip pullups / dips / lat raises (20 lb db)
Narrow grip pullups / dips / fwd raises
curls - db
shrugs - db
chest flys db
This was today, the last log was on the 10th and ive only been on my stack for about a week, im up 7 pounds
my curls suck right now, but obviously you can see ive been killing back and chest, which where my two weakest attributes, planning on evening it out now, anyone know some killer bicep workouts?
06-27-2011, 04:31 AM
A ton of respect for your decision on this topic in addition to making this thread in hope to set an example.
I'll be following. Keep us updated!
By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
06-27-2011, 04:35 AM