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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    Ya I have to say I'm impressed so far with this diet, Im also only getting in 2000 cals on workout daya and 1700 on non training days.

    I'm looking even more forward to see how my body responds once I up cals to more of a recomp LG diet.

    You and me both. I'll be switching gears myself here in around 4 weeks to go to more of a lean bulk/recomp
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    I am easily reaping the benefits of leaning out while gaining LBM. On top of that it is definitely agreeing with the progestin run.

    Lucky me up at 5AM on Saturday for network maintenance testing and they had to postpone while they figure out some DNS issue. Will be up a lot longer than I was hoping....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoHNnyNuTZ View Post
    Dont feel bad. Im up for some catch up work at the metal shop!
    Haha your avatar seems appropriate to me this is a nigtmare. Trying to stay awake to here them say we can get started. UGH! Normally can go back to bed after but we will see this may wake me up all the way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoHNnyNuTZ View Post
    That sucks man.LOL/
    I forsee me passing out here soon and then being woke up by someone saying over the phone, who is that snoring...
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    This is why we do the beta. We will be doing another trial too. Here's why:

    Progestin #1 - you are taking sublingually but in all reality it may be better suited for oral. Conversion is higher via oral.

    Progestin #2 - was considering oral, but may be better sublingually since it is less dependent on conversion.

    Like everything it's a trial and error process to a certain extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus Nut. View Post
    This is why we do the beta. We will be doing another trial too. Here's why:

    Progestin #1 - you are taking sublingually but in all reality it may be better suited for oral. Conversion is higher via oral.

    Progestin #2 - was considering oral, but may be better sublingually since it is less dependent on conversion.

    Like everything it's a trial and error process to a certain extent.
    If any indication even after a minute I still have a lot of grit that is not dissolved when I swoosh it around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    Ya I have to say I'm impressed so far with this diet, Im also only getting in 2000 cals on workout daya and 1700 on non training days.

    I'm looking even more forward to see how my body responds once I up cals to more of a recomp LG diet.
    I rarely count cals, but give this a shot in the fall though. I usually just read my body and consider my activities when I make meals. I just remembering being starving while going at 1600 cals for a cut, I was miserable with headaches.

    My buddy has a cal app on his iphone, he is loving it as he's dropped 5lbs just by watching what he eats. He has a disk injury in his lower back so exercise is not part of his day so he has put on some chubbage.
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    Oh I think I should note that perhaps I am starting to see an increase in libido, the last two days there seems to be an increase so maybe I am just starting to notice more of an increase. I will be able to give a definitive answer in another day or two.
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    Loving this log. Thanks Kleen! Looking forward to the week 2 summary!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Oh I think I should note that perhaps I am starting to see an increase in libido, the last two days there seems to be an increase so maybe I am just starting to notice more of an increase. I will be able to give a definitive answer in another day or two.

    I noticed in some other logs of this Beta that a libido increase has been pretty common.
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    I am kinda BIG today...


    Hey everyone I know I took the weekend off of here. I did workout on Saturday although it was later than expected. I also ate pretty much however the hell I wanted this weekend within my 8 hour feeding window a little more. My dad ended up being in town this weekend and we did the family thing a lot. Lots of eating out and desserts we normally wouldn't have. I honestly didn't feel like being a stick in the mud and figured if ever an extra few calories might get put to use it would be now. SO I ate whatever I felt like and had a few drinks.

    As a result of that I had a lot of sweets, a lot of tostada chips, a lot of french fries and a lot of meat. So basically now there is a lot of me. I did not weigh in today because the weight would be so skewed by extra water and what not that it would be ridiculous. I assure you I am a decent amount over 200 lbs right now. I can see the water in my face. Oh well I have a nice clean up day today and by tomorrow I should be able to get a more accurate weight. I would expect it to be up a little. I am also going to wait and do pictures this weekend at the 2 weeks point. That gives a few nice days to really clean up and show the recomp this is doing for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by windwords7 View Post
    Loving this log. Thanks Kleen! Looking forward to the week 2 summary!
    Well if the 10 day feel is anything to go off of we should be excited.
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    I noticed in some other logs of this Beta that a libido increase has been pretty common.
    Yeah at first I wasn't noticing it that much and I think that was due to having been using Bridge for a little bit I was already a little heightened but now I am definitely a lot more randy than I had been this weekend really proved that. I also find myself a little more apt to call people out about things than normal so the aggression is showing up more now as well. I am noticing muscle hardness, vascularity and right now muscle fullness is pretty awesome with all the carbs I took in this weekend. Since I started early on Friday with the cake and what not I ended up with 5 3000+ calorie days this past weekend, so I know my scale weight is going to be up however I have a good feeling as the water falls off that some LBM will be there waiting to be exposed by the end of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
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    Welcome Sir! We have been having some fun in here so far. Quick recap, 10 days in, leaner than when I started and assuming a weight increase but will find out tomorrow. I want to give the weekend refeed some time to drain some water since I was pretty loose on my diet this weekend. Sex drive started increasinf Friday of last week for me and I am really enjoying this so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Welcome Sir! We have been having some fun in here so far. Quick recap, 10 days in, leaner than when I started and assuming a weight increase but will find out tomorrow. I want to give the weekend refeed some time to drain some water since I was pretty loose on my diet this weekend. Sex drive started increasinf Friday of last week for me and I am really enjoying this so far.
    i was hoping day 10 would show decent results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Welcome Sir! We have been having some fun in here so far. Quick recap, 10 days in, leaner than when I started and assuming a weight increase but will find out tomorrow. I want to give the weekend refeed some time to drain some water since I was pretty loose on my diet this weekend. Sex drive started increasinf Friday of last week for me and I am really enjoying this so far.
    Thanks for the recap and welcome Kleen. I'll be watching closely.
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    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
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    Hey Kleen! How did i miss this. I'm here now, any idea what this is similar to, I think I seen you mention a light PH?
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    Well I never had the chance to use it but everyone seems to be comparing it to MMV2 which was Stanadrol, and Androhard basically. However Eric at Taurus mentioned Boldione which would be more like Eq-Plex or 1-4ADD from AMS either way both have the ability to add some extra mass while really helping to lean out. I am getting a very nice recomp effect. Although we shall see when I weigh myself tomorrow the loose eating over the weekend may have added a little size. I gave myself a day to kind of let some of the water run off but expect I am going to be holding over 200 lbs tomorrow morning. We shall see. Right now the prognosis is looking very good for a larger me.
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    Hey Kleen you really need to get some DA-HCG I bet this mixed with what you are doing now would be EPIC. I am doing Wyked and DA and just the energy and Sex drive jump are insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well I never had the chance to use it but everyone seems to be comparing it to MMV2 which was Stanadrol, and Androhard basically. However Eric at Taurus mentioned Boldione which would be more like Eq-Plex or 1-4ADD from AMS either way both have the ability to add some extra mass while really helping to lean out. I am getting a very nice recomp effect. Although we shall see when I weigh myself tomorrow the loose eating over the weekend may have added a little size. I gave myself a day to kind of let some of the water run off but expect I am going to be holding over 200 lbs tomorrow morning. We shall see. Right now the prognosis is looking very good for a larger me.
    Good to hear it seems to be working this short of a time in. How long are you running this for?

    Its a bit too early in my opinion to know if strength has gone up. Good form is crucial at this time as you already probably know because strength will soon go up I am guessing if it has not already.

    Is Eric coming out with a boldione product similar to 14ad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Good to hear it seems to be working this short of a time in. How long are you running this for?

    Its a bit too early in my opinion to know if strength has gone up. Good form is crucial at this time as you already probably know because strength will soon go up I am guessing if it has not already.

    Is Eric coming out with a boldione product similar to 14ad?
    He actually just compared this one to that type of gains expectation. He has another one coming out that is supposed to be more of a mass gaining product that is going to be very low on the androgen side of things.
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    Day 12 - 5/24/11 - Upper Body


    Okay so I weighed in today and as I expected I am up over 200 lbs. I have not dropped all of the water as of yet but I weighed in this morning at 203 lbs. Starting weight was 199 however I am holding some water from this weekends food fest. Going by the way I look right now I would say that I have about 1.5-2 lbs of extra water to drop from this past weekend. If that is the case then I am up 2-2.5 lbs. I will work over the next 2 weeks to drop more body fat and see if I can stay near 200 lbs.

    So it seems a slight strength increase has shown up. I will detail as I go through my workout but I think I increased on every lift, including the ones I was getting stagnant on.

    Tempo same as usual about 2-0-2 not counting just keeping the pace slow and steady.

    Bench - 115, 155, 180, 180x10 - This is one of the most noticeable increases in weight since I was having some issue at 175. I bumped it up to 180 got my 12 then hit 10 on the second set. Last workout I hit 175x12 then 175x11 so that was nice. I could have even gone beyond 12 reps on 180 this time so I am expecting another increase next workout.

    Chin Grip Lat Pull Down - 90, 120, 145, 150 - 5 lb increase as planned however 150 felt lighter than 145 did last time.

    Military Press - 65x8, 110, 110x10 plus 5 lbs this was another one I did't expect to see a successful increase. However I was able to get all the reps with the increased weight and got the same amount of reps on the second set.

    EZ Curl - 90 5 lb increase here.

    Dips - BW + 50, and with my body weight being higher it is even more of an increase. However felt great, it was not too hard at all.

    L- Fly internal and external rotation - 12.5, 12.5

    So to recap I went up on a couple of the exercises I had been struggling with for a few workouts. I am currently 203 which is 4 lbs heavier than starting although I am holding some water from high carbs and sodium intake over the weekend. Libido started kicking in this past weekend. Not too much on the Alpha Male thing. I have had a few moments where I felt a need to call people out that typically I may not say something. Other than that not a bunch, I don't walk into a room and feel like I command attention which is how I feel when my Alpha Male factor is in high gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    He actually just compared this one to that type of gains expectation. He has another one coming out that is supposed to be more of a mass gaining product that is going to be very low on the androgen side of things.

    Sounds interesting? Would you say it would be a "wet gain"?

    Meaning if it is combined with something like Aromasin you could put on lean mass without the aggression? Just thinking out loud on this one.


    Bad ass workout BTW. You recovery is focking amazing Chris. Amazing.
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    Nice that you put on a few lbs of LBM I assume. How do you think your BF is? Still dropping at about the same rate or has it increased since starting the progestin?
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    glad to see some strength increases happening.

    btw-that blows the mmv2 comparison....no water weight on the mmv2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    glad to see some strength increases happening.

    x2!

    Keep up the good work.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    x2!

    Keep up the good work.



    I have to say thank you very much MrKleen, because if it wasn't for you posting the LG diet I wouldn't have given it a go and thus far I'm getting amazing results.
    Ditto ... lean gains is the most amazing thing I have seen in 25 years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Sounds interesting? Would you say it would be a "wet gain"?

    Meaning if it is combined with something like Aromasin you could put on lean mass without the aggression? Just thinking out loud on this one.


    Bad ass workout BTW. You recovery is focking amazing Chris. Amazing.
    I was kind of thinking the new one might be a wet gain. I would not call this one a wet gain. I ate a lot of tortilla chips and salsa, had some ice cream and a whole lot of carbs so I was just really full and due to the extra salt was holding water.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Nice that you put on a few lbs of LBM I assume. How do you think your BF is? Still dropping at about the same rate or has it increased since starting the progestin?
    Going by what I was looking at in the mirror last night and this morning I think it is cruising along about the same, or the LBM is rising quickly enough that I can say I am leaning out as quickly. I haven't weighed myself but the water from the weekend has come off and I look good even through this mat of fur I am sporting right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    glad to see some strength increases happening.

    btw-that blows the mmv2 comparison....no water weight on the mmv2.
    I don't attribute it to the progestin though. With the obscenity that I threw at my body this past weekend being bloated was an inevitability regardless of anything I could have been on. The fact that I did not increase my water intake to flush and have not spent much time in the sauna. Also not doing as much cardio this week and have already dropped the water weight tells me that this is not making me hold any water. I wouldn't say it has a major flushing effect either. Really, there is no effect on water retention from what I can tell so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    x2!

    Keep up the good work.



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    Ditto ... lean gains is the most amazing thing I have seen in 25 years...
    Really guys, I just took a leap of faith with it after reading and the ease and effectiveness of it as well as additional freedoms in food choices... Well I just had to shout from the roof tops and let anyone I could know how awesome it has been for me. The entire Intermittent Fasting thing is awesome to me now. The more I read and what not the more I understand and love the idea. I tend to fast longer on my burn days, and eat less and then have a little more on my heavy days or do like I have the past two weekends and use them as both higher calories days. I think to really cut this up though I have to curb the weekends a bit. Although it is great for recomp so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post

    Really guys, I just took a leap of faith with it after reading and the ease and effectiveness of it as well as additional freedoms in food choices... Well I just had to shout from the roof tops and let anyone I could know how awesome it has been for me. The entire Intermittent Fasting thing is awesome to me now. The more I read and what not the more I understand and love the idea. I tend to fast longer on my burn days, and eat less and then have a little more on my heavy days or do like I have the past two weekends and use them as both higher calories days. I think to really cut this up though I have to curb the weekends a bit. Although it is great for recomp so far.
    This will come with my first adjustment, if it's even necessary. I am doing so well at my current cal count of avg. 2650 that I don't even know that any adjustments will need to be made... this is so awesome!!
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