[JudgementDay]

Very cool. I appreciate the breakdown. The inclusion of DAA is an interesting aspect.

I may give Wyked a try as well. But for as DAA goes I can't wait to try Athletix Adamantium a shot, the forumla looks pretty awesome. Could be a good stack to try

[ScottyDoc]

I may give Wyked a try as well. But for as DAA goes I can't wait to try Athletix Adamantium a shot, the forumla looks pretty awesome. Could be a good stack to try

All new Athletix Adamantium... it gives you Wolverine claws so you can slice and dice the chiseled physique of your Dreams!!!

[JudgementDay]

All new Athletix Adamantium... it gives you Wolverine claws so you can slice and dice the chiseled physique of your Dreams!!!

aha by the amazing reviews thats what it seems like!

[RoadBlocK]

Im here, catching up.

[DreamWeaver]

All new Athletix Adamantium... it gives you Wolverine claws so you can slice and dice the chiseled physique of your Dreams!!!

What confuses me is they instruct you to use like a pre-workout and DAA is an ed supp ...

[MrKleen73]

A few update here to give and basically an overall review of the first week. I am taking at least 1 scoop of WYKED every day now but Sundays.

First I will give you my little bit of the workout and what not then post my first week review. I did my cardio this morning 446 calories on treadmill. I was sweating like a whore in church. I took a Dexaprine, and 2 Shift to kick my heat into overdriive and it sure worked. I had to wipe my head SEVERAL times during my walk it got to be every minute or two I needed to wipe my face. Awesome Awesome Awesome!

Okay now for the first week review I am not going to assign numbers because perspectives change with new higher levels being achieved all the time with in the supplement world.

Libido - I have experience no libido changes as of yet.
Alpha Male Feeling - So far no more than normal, confidence is up but that has a lot to do with where my physique is at the moment so not sure if coming from the progestin.
Recovery - I have not been sore in the past few workouts, and I feel I am definitely having an increase in recovery. Workouts have definitely been intense enough.
Strength - Well my strength is improving, I will not say it is improving at an extremely accelerated pace as of yet but it is increasing slightly above what I think I would be achieving naturally. In 5 days I got 1.5 extra reps before failing at same weight on bench after doing the exact same warm up. So there is definitely some improvement.
Recomp - Here is where this seems to be the most noticeable to me. I am not for 100% sure I look bigger, but I am definitely getting leaner and I am up almost .5 lb from Monday's weight of 195.5 to a smidge under 200.
Vascularity - My vascularity has improved but so has my overall leanness so that is to be expected.
Appetite - I made a decision to eat a little bit more on my Eat Days try to take advantage as I can of the progestin so I can't say for sure but increase in appetite could have also led to that decision subconsciously.

General Comments - I have not notice much of an androgenic side to this so far. I had a momentary snap earlier in the week but I think it was more associated with taking 1.5 scoops of WYKED and being pretty hyped up and not working all of them off during cardio than this because is was a one time thing. I have not had an increase in libido, nor being aggressive. If I notice a drop I will take measures to avoid this drop something to increase test or or free testosterone. I have DAA, and HCGenerate and I am not wanting to get shut down not lose my libido.

All of this leads me to feel this is more anabolic than androgenic as I am recomping a little more quickly than I was before if I just traded 1 lb fat for 1.25 lb of lbm as I feel I did. I will take my body fat test Monday for a more in depth composition analysis.

[oufinny]

Hmmm... I thought this would be more of an androgen but it seems to be quite the opposite. If you start to add mass that will tell the tale quite clearly. Do you get any feelings similar to those from the SuperDMZ or is this a lot milder in comparison (I know the answer just want to make sure). Good to hear about the recomp going on, I plan on getting that going myself next week!

[MrKleen73]

Hmmm... I thought this would be more of an androgen but it seems to be quite the opposite. If you start to add mass that will tell the tale quite clearly. Do you get any feelings similar to those from the SuperDMZ or is this a lot milder in comparison (I know the answer just want to make sure). Good to hear about the recomp going on, I plan on getting that going myself next week!

Well definitely not. I am taking my support supps though. However no sides so far as far as I can tell.thing and have not had any BP issues to speak of. He compared it to boldione which is a recurser to boldenone and that is anabolic with low androgenic effects. Not non existent but low.

[thundergod]

Hmmm... I thought this would be more of an androgen but it seems to be quite the opposite. If you start to add mass that will tell the tale quite clearly. Do you get any feelings similar to those from the SuperDMZ or is this a lot milder in comparison (I know the answer just want to make sure). Good to hear about the recomp going on, I plan on getting that going myself next week!

Well definitely not. I am taking my support supps though. However no sides so far as far as I can tell.thing and have not had any BP issues to speak of. He compared it to boldione which is a recurser to boldenone and that is anabolic with low androgenic effects. Not non existent but low.

Odd. At least in my uneducated opinion. Most progestins (old tren ph/percursors...deca.....trenbolo ne) are rather androgenic by nature and give strength and aggression attributes.

Since this TNP is still in beta-testing, I guess a nomenclature of the active coompound is out of the question, eh?

[MrKleen73]

Odd. At least in my uneducated opinion. Most progestins (old tren ph/percursors...deca.....trenbolo ne) are rather androgenic by nature and give strength and aggression attributes.

Since this TNP is still in beta-testing, I guess a nomenclature of the active coompound is out of the question, eh?

I was taking Bridge before hand so I could have already been at an elevated level and just not be noticing a change. However nothing above that level. The other progestin he has for testing soon is supposed to be very low androgen. Not sure of the nomenclature. Although I believe it was mentioned it was a natural progestin.

[oufinny]

I was taking Bridge before hand so I could have already been at an elevated level and just not be noticing a change. However nothing above that level. The other progestin he has for testing soon is supposed to be very low androgen. Not sure of the nomenclature. Although I believe it was mentioned it was a natural progestin.

I guess the plan is to stack the two so you get a good anabolic kick and some androgenic as well without being super high like with tren/masteron/primo. Until this tests out and people have really good results, I am going to let this sit by the wayside for the moment. Hopefully this does its job for you Chris and you are able to add a little mass and continue to lean up.

[oufinny]

Odd. At least in my uneducated opinion. Most progestins (old tren ph/percursors...deca.....trenbolo ne) are rather androgenic by nature and give strength and aggression attributes.

Since this TNP is still in beta-testing, I guess a nomenclature of the active coompound is out of the question, eh?

TG - Isn't tren also well known for being used to add mass while keeping fat gain to a minimum? I know people cut and bulk on it, just not sure when it is best used, still an amateur when it comes to things like tren (way too scared to jump into that anytime soon with all the sides I continually read about).

[ScottyDoc]

Hey guys come check out my new eating Challenge (Gone in 60 Seconds part-deuce) on my TRIVIA thread.... REDEFINE NUTRITON Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Trivia...

[Rosie Chee]

Recovery - I have not been sore in the past few workouts, and I feel I am definitely having an increase in recovery. Workouts have definitely been intense enough.
Strength - Well my strength is improving, I will not say it is improving at an extremely accelerated pace as of yet but it is increasing slightly above what I think I would be achieving naturally. In 5 days I got 1.5 extra reps before failing at same weight on bench after doing the exact same warm up. So there is definitely some improvement.
Recomp - Here is where this seems to be the most noticeable to me. I am not for 100% sure I look bigger, but I am definitely getting leaner and I am up almost .5 lb from Monday's weight of 195.5 to a smidge under 200.

Definitely be interesting to see how these factors/effects change over your use of the products, Chris. Thanks for the detailed one-week overview

~Rosie~

[thundergod]

TG - Isn't tren also well known for being used to add mass while keeping fat gain to a minimum? I know people cut and bulk on it, just not sure when it is best used, still an amateur when it comes to things like tren (way too scared to jump into that anytime soon with all the sides I continually read about).

Sure, tren will give mass gains if you take in enough protein. But it won't give the mass that Test gives. But it cannot be matched for pure strength, rage and intensity.

The sides aren't nearly as bad as all that bro-knowledge you've seen on it. Those are those infamous placebo sides that I mention all the time. If they read a horror story, all of a sudden they feel them in their own experience. It's the power of suggestion.

I've ran an 8-weeker of Tren-Suspension and the only negative side for me was slight insomnia. And I stress "slight". I made up for it by taking a cat-nap in the afternoons. The night sweats were noticeable but didn't bother me. Why would some night-sweating keep anyone away from such a wonderful powerful androgen?

That stuff leaned me out like nothing else ever has.
Tren makes me feel brutal, vicious and downright unstoppable with the weights!!!

Even though I wouldn't recommend it for someone's first rodeo, I don't see any reason why their 3rd or 4th cycle shouldn't include some of the "nectar of the gods."

For a first cycle I recommend the tried and true Test-E only at 500 to 650mgs weekly for 12 weeks.
For a second cycle I would recommend a Test-Cyp/Deca/D-Bol run.
Something like this:
12 WEEKS

Test-Cyp @750mg weekly
[email protected] weekly

First 6 WEEKS
D-Bol @50mg daily

Then for that third cycle a Test/Tren/oral Winny would rock!!

[oufinny]

Sure, tren will give mass gains if you take in enough protein. But it won't give the mass that Test gives. But it cannot be matched for pure strength, rage and intensity.

The sides aren't nearly as bad as all that bro-knowledge you've seen on it. Those are those infamous placebo sides that I mention all the time. If they read a horror story, all of a sudden they feel them in their own experience. It's the power of suggestion.

I've ran an 8-weeker of Tren-Suspension and the only negative side for me was slight insomnia. And I stress "slight". I made up for it by taking a cat-nap in the afternoons. The night sweats were noticeable but didn't bother me. Why would some night-sweating keep anyone away from such a wonderful powerful androgen?

That stuff leaned me out like nothing else ever has.
Tren makes me feel brutal, vicious and downright unstoppable with the weights!!!

Even though I wouldn't recommend it for someone's first rodeo, I don't see any reason why their 3rd or 4th cycle shouldn't include some of the "nectar of the gods."

For a first cycle I recommend the tried and true Test-E only at 500 to 650mgs weekly for 12 weeks.
For a second cycle I would recommend a Test-Cyp/Deca/D-Bol run.
Something like this:
12 WEEKS

Test-Cyp @750mg weekly
[email protected] weekly

First 6 WEEKS
D-Bol 250mg daily

Then for that third cycle a Test/Tren/oral Winny would rock!!

TG for the win!!!! You sir are a gentlemen and a scholar. Test only sounds fine to me, easy to do and just need an AI on cycle and you are golden. Eat, sleep, lift, test, repeat... I can do that!

[VolcomX311]

TG for the win!!!! You sir are a gentlemen and a scholar. Test only sounds fine to me, easy to do and just need an AI on cycle and you are golden. Eat, sleep, lift, test, repeat... I can do that!

That he is.

[thebigt]

A few update here to give and basically an overall review of the first week. I am taking at least 1 scoop of WYKED every day now but Sundays.

First I will give you my little bit of the workout and what not then post my first week review. I did my cardio this morning 446 calories on treadmill. I was sweating like a whore in church. I took a Dexaprine, and 2 Shift to kick my heat into overdriive and it sure worked. I had to wipe my head SEVERAL times during my walk it got to be every minute or two I needed to wipe my face. Awesome Awesome Awesome!

Okay now for the first week review I am not going to assign numbers because perspectives change with new higher levels being achieved all the time with in the supplement world.

Libido - I have experience no libido changes as of yet.
Alpha Male Feeling - So far no more than normal, confidence is up but that has a lot to do with where my physique is at the moment so not sure if coming from the progestin.
Recovery - I have not been sore in the past few workouts, and I feel I am definitely having an increase in recovery. Workouts have definitely been intense enough.
Strength - Well my strength is improving, I will not say it is improving at an extremely accelerated pace as of yet but it is increasing slightly above what I think I would be achieving naturally. In 5 days I got 1.5 extra reps before failing at same weight on bench after doing the exact same warm up. So there is definitely some improvement.
Recomp - Here is where this seems to be the most noticeable to me. I am not for 100% sure I look bigger, but I am definitely getting leaner and I am up almost .5 lb from Monday's weight of 195.5 to a smidge under 200.
Vascularity - My vascularity has improved but so has my overall leanness so that is to be expected.
Appetite - I made a decision to eat a little bit more on my Eat Days try to take advantage as I can of the progestin so I can't say for sure but increase in appetite could have also led to that decision subconsciously.

General Comments - I have not notice much of an androgenic side to this so far. I had a momentary snap earlier in the week but I think it was more associated with taking 1.5 scoops of WYKED and being pretty hyped up and not working all of them off during cardio than this because is was a one time thing. I have not had an increase in libido, nor being aggressive. If I notice a drop I will take measures to avoid this drop something to increase test or or free testosterone. I have DAA, and HCGenerate and I am not wanting to get shut down not lose my libido.

All of this leads me to feel this is more anabolic than androgenic as I am recomping a little more quickly than I was before if I just traded 1 lb fat for 1.25 lb of lbm as I feel I did. I will take my body fat test Monday for a more in depth composition analysis.

actually that aint to bad for just 7 days. i told celc to watch for day 10.

[ZamaMan]

What's up bro!

[MrKleen73]

actually that aint to bad for just 7 days. i told celc to watch for day 10.

Nope, I am definitely not complaining.

What's up bro!

Zama, how goes it bro. Hard to believe just a short while ago how many people were dogging you about Lean Gains and how many are on the band wagon now. I have been doing it now since February and it is working great for me.

So far this stuff is treating me pretty good. Not overly strong to make me into an over aggressive person or anything but definitely adding muscle while the diet strips the fat.

[VolcomX311]

If Zamaman looks like that at 219, then I wouldn' have questioned the man's tactics.

[RickRock13]

Nope, I am definitely not complaining.


Zama, how goes it bro. Hard to believe just a short while ago how many people were dogging you about Lean Gains and how many are on the band wagon now. I have been doing it now since February and it is working great for me.

So far this stuff is treating me pretty good. Not overly strong to make me into an over aggressive person or anything but definitely adding muscle while the diet strips the fat.

Its easy for us all to fall into the trap of believing we need 6 meals a day spread out and if we don't eat every 2-3 hours we will go catabolic. Now all of us doing the lean gains/IF know that not only is it not true, but it is actually more effective in many ways than a traditional diet plan....especially when trying to lean out.

I only wish I knew how great this would be a long time ago when I set my watch to remind me every 2 hours that I needed to eat before I started wasting muscle!!

[ZamaMan]

Nope, I am definitely not complaining.


Zama, how goes it bro. Hard to believe just a short while ago how many people were dogging you about Lean Gains and how many are on the band wagon now. I have been doing it now since February and it is working great for me.

So far this stuff is treating me pretty good. Not overly strong to make me into an over aggressive person or anything but definitely adding muscle while the diet strips the fat.

Yeah seriously bro. People were hating on lean gains and my non strict way of dieting. But its good to see people starting to see flexibility is great and can yeild results. Unfortunately I haven't been progressing too much the last few months. Kinda took a break and was drinking alot lol. But I'm back on the horse better than ever. Getting close to some of my PRs. I will probably cut on cycle in 10 weeks or so.

Oh I posted in the lean gains thread but didn't have any real wisdom to offer. You've been doing great work buddy. Your one of the most influential guys on the forum.


Volcom unfortunately I don't look like that at 219. I will have to post a new pic soon but I'm down to 212 or so atm. I would need to drop to kaybe 195 to get back to slight six pack land.

[Rosie Chee]

...People were hating on lean gains and my non strict way of dieting. But its good to see people starting to see flexibility is great and can yeild results...

Nothing wrong with "non strict way of dieting", since you should do what works for you, and I am someone who can relate in making progress without strictness of diet - although I should be a lot better, and are making an effort to be for my health. We are all so different, which is a good thing. Just have to remember that.

~Rosie~

[JudgementDay]

Its easy for us all to fall into the trap of believing we need 6 meals a day spread out and if we don't eat every 2-3 hours we will go catabolic. Now all of us doing the lean gains/IF know that not only is it not true, but it is actually more effective in many ways than a traditional diet plan....especially when trying to lean out.

I only wish I knew how great this would be a long time ago when I set my watch to remind me every 2 hours that I needed to eat before I started wasting muscle!!

Ya I have to say I'm impressed so far with this diet, Im also only getting in 2000 cals on workout daya and 1700 on non training days.

I'm looking even more forward to see how my body responds once I up cals to more of a recomp LG diet.