KLEEN - Takes the Bull by the horns! Taurus Nutrition's w/ WYKED & Beta TNP

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  1. He looks under 10% already, I have seen him at around 10% before and this looks a bit leaner and tighter to me...

  2. Day 4 update - Body Fat & corrected body weight.


    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    I am real curious as to what you come up with on BF%. Maybe under 10%?
    Quote Originally Posted by JoHNnyNuTZ View Post
    Second that!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    He looks under 10% already, I have seen him at around 10% before and this looks a bit leaner and tighter to me...
    Well Gentlemen, I am about to tell you.

    Today was my day for getting my stats in. I got to the gym and luckily they had re-calibrated the scale so it would zero out and I am weighing in at 199.5 which is exactly in line with my weight for the past 2 weeks. As opposed to the other day when I couldn’t get the scale to zero out which was lower than usual. So we will go with 199.5 for my starting point just to keep things accurate for what is going on with my body and the product. I am going to go ahead and make Mondays my weigh in day from now on. This will do a couple things, one give me consistency across the weigh ins, and keep me from going overboard on food and drink over the weekends. If I have to do body fat and weigh in on Monday I am not going to go nuts on Sunday which will keep me progressing faster.

    So you all are wondering if I am ever going to get to it? Am I ever going to actually let you all in on the body fat results? I did three different sets of test. On all pinches the chest and legs were seven millimeters, and the abdominal pinch was the only one that varied. I had two pinches at fourteen millimeters, and one at sixteen millimeters. It came up to nine point three percent twice and nine point nine percent once. So we can say I am right at nine and a half percent right now. So that comes out to basically one hundred eighty and a half lbs lean body mass, and nineteen lbs fat.

    Yes I really did just type all of that out just to keep you in suspense. No skimming to get the percentage. LOL
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well Gentlemen, I am about to tell you.

    Today was my day for getting my stats in. I got to the gym and luckily they had re-calibrated the scale so it would zero out and I am weighing in at 199.5 which is exactly in line with my weight for the past 2 weeks. As opposed to the other day when I couldnít get the scale to zero out which was lower than usual. So we will go with 199.5 for my starting point just to keep things accurate for what is going on with my body and the product. I am going to go ahead and make Mondays my weigh in day from now on. This will do a couple things, one give me consistency across the weigh ins, and keep me from going overboard on food and drink over the weekends. If I have to do body fat and weigh in on Monday I am not going to go nuts on Sunday which will keep me progressing faster.

    So you all are wondering if I am ever going to get to it? Am I ever going to actually let you all in on the body fat results? I did three different sets of test. On all pinches the chest and legs were seven millimeters, and the abdominal pinch was the only one that varied. I had two pinches at fourteen millimeters, and one at sixteen millimeters. It came up to nine point three percent twice and nine point nine percent once. So we can say I am right at nine and a half percent right now. So that comes out to basically one hundred eighty and a half lbs lean body mass, and nineteen lbs fat.

    Yes I really did just type all of that out just to keep you in suspense. No skimming to get the percentage. LOL
    Cliffs?

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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Cliffs?

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  5. Here are the Cliff Notes.
    5-16-11 Body Fat 9.5, LBM 180.5 lbs, Fat 19 lbs
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  6. What does the liquid taste like and are there any effects felt in your mouth from it?

    Nice BF% by the way!
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    What does the liquid taste like and are there any effects felt in your mouth from it?

    Nice BF% by the way!
    Well there is maybe a slight citrus taste to the liquid and you can feel the granules of the progestin or something in the liquid. I actually hold it for longer than a minute though unless on may out the door or something. I just hold it under my tongue until my mouth gets relatively full because it starts watering then swish it around really good and swallow. Nothing negative about the experience at all. I guess there is a slight feel to my mucus membranes like cheeks upper gums and what not for a few minutes after using it too but faint and wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't brought it up. However the final will come in pill form from what I remember reading.

    I am noticing more energy, a craving for intense activity and great pumps. I am not sure regarding appetite because I tend to eat heavier on weekends.
    We shall see but the good news is I am definitely feeling something so far and so are the other loggers which is a good sign.
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  8. Told you he was under 10...

  9. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Told you he was under 10...
    Yes Sir you were right. I was kind of thinking I might be but I wasn't going to claim it without having calipers to back me up. Has been a little bit since I have been down here. I should look pretty good here in a few weeks, not saying I don't now but I mean much better. I was looking through the progression from 9 down through about 6 and man the changes happened fast. Of course then I was on a contest diet and now I am trying for rapid recomp with more focus on fat loss but who knows if everything works out between Lean Gains, and being "ON" I may lose fat as fast as I did during the contest prep. Who knows.

    Boy is the wife gonna be shaking her head if I get low and lean and start eyeballing contests. LOL!!! No right now that isn't in the cards but then again, I know myself too.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well there is maybe a slight citrus taste to the liquid and you can feel the granules of the progestin or something in the liquid. I actually hold it for longer than a minute though unless on may out the door or something. I just hold it under my tongue until my mouth gets relatively full because it starts watering then swish it around really good and swallow. Nothing negative about the experience at all. I guess there is a slight feel to my mucus membranes like cheeks upper gums and what not for a few minutes after using it too but faint and wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't brought it up. However the final will come in pill form from what I remember reading.

    I am noticing more energy, a craving for intense activity and great pumps. I am not sure regarding appetite because I tend to eat heavier on weekends.
    We shall see but the good news is I am definitely feeling something so far and so are the other loggers which is a good sign.
    I would agree, it is somewhat of a bitter citrus flavor. Not great by any means, but not something to make you shy away from it.
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  12. wondering how your shoulder tendons adapts to the increased strength.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    wondering how your shoulder tendons adapts to the increased strength.
    Shoulder feels great. I can tell I am still in recovery, but I have been moving up relatively slow. I have not had any injury type feelings since I strained one of the rotator cuff muscles about 3-4 weeks ago. Once I let that heal up things got a bit better. No issues with joint. I was very lucky not to have any muscular, ligament or tendon damage with my original shoulder injury, only the labrum or cartilage on the ball of my humerus was damaged. So the issue I had 3-4 weeks ago was one of reconditioning (pushing to hard on an out of shape muscle) and not of aggravating the injury that was repaired. Short of doing something really stupid I would say I am in the clear regarding reinjuring the shoulder. Now it is just making sure stabilizers are caught up to the surrounding musculature and progressing with the weights in micro increments. I believe I am actually going to go by Home Depot tonight if the wife does not have other plans for me. I have a few plans to make my incremental weights and once done I will share what I end up with as well as what they cost me to come up with. Not sure if I will go with links of chain or a large box of washers and some type of fastener.
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  14. I took my third dose of progestin about 30 minutes ago, had another meal and will have my last dose before bed. I have about 700 calories left for today will be having salmon tonight with some steamed brocolli and some source of carbs. Probably a banana.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Shoulder feels great. I can tell I am still in recovery, but I have been moving up relatively slow. I have not had any injury type feelings since I strained one of the rotator cuff muscles about 3-4 weeks ago. Once I let that heal up things got a bit better. No issues with joint. I was very lucky not to have any muscular, ligament or tendon damage with my original shoulder injury, only the labrum or cartilage on the ball of my humerus was damaged. So the issue I had 3-4 weeks ago was one of reconditioning (pushing to hard on an out of shape muscle) and not of aggravating the injury that was repaired. Short of doing something really stupid I would say I am in the clear regarding reinjuring the shoulder. Now it is just making sure stabilizers are caught up to the surrounding musculature and progressing with the weights in micro increments. I believe I am actually going to go by Home Depot tonight if the wife does not have other plans for me. I have a few plans to make my incremental weights and once done I will share what I end up with as well as what they cost me to come up with. Not sure if I will go with links of chain or a large box of washers and some type of fastener.
    They also sell surgical tubing there by the foot, if you thought of going in that direction, you could always increase the number of surgical bands that you use as far as increasing your resistance, just a thought, I saw it at the Ho-Po just the other day!
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Shoulder feels great. I can tell I am still in recovery, but I have been moving up relatively slow. I have not had any injury type feelings since I strained one of the rotator cuff muscles about 3-4 weeks ago. Once I let that heal up things got a bit better. No issues with joint. I was very lucky not to have any muscular, ligament or tendon damage with my original shoulder injury, only the labrum or cartilage on the ball of my humerus was damaged. So the issue I had 3-4 weeks ago was one of reconditioning (pushing to hard on an out of shape muscle) and not of aggravating the injury that was repaired. Short of doing something really stupid I would say I am in the clear regarding reinjuring the shoulder. Now it is just making sure stabilizers are caught up to the surrounding musculature and progressing with the weights in micro increments. I believe I am actually going to go by Home Depot tonight if the wife does not have other plans for me. I have a few plans to make my incremental weights and once done I will share what I end up with as well as what they cost me to come up with. Not sure if I will go with links of chain or a large box of washers and some type of fastener.
    can you put this on dumbbells? if so got an article or video?
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well Gentlemen, I am about to tell you.

    Today was my day for getting my stats in. I got to the gym and luckily they had re-calibrated the scale so it would zero out and I am weighing in at 199.5 which is exactly in line with my weight for the past 2 weeks. As opposed to the other day when I couldnít get the scale to zero out which was lower than usual. So we will go with 199.5 for my starting point just to keep things accurate for what is going on with my body and the product. I am going to go ahead and make Mondays my weigh in day from now on. This will do a couple things, one give me consistency across the weigh ins, and keep me from going overboard on food and drink over the weekends. If I have to do body fat and weigh in on Monday I am not going to go nuts on Sunday which will keep me progressing faster.

    So you all are wondering if I am ever going to get to it? Am I ever going to actually let you all in on the body fat results? I did three different sets of test. On all pinches the chest and legs were seven millimeters, and the abdominal pinch was the only one that varied. I had two pinches at fourteen millimeters, and one at sixteen millimeters. It came up to nine point three percent twice and nine point nine percent once. So we can say I am right at nine and a half percent right now. So that comes out to basically one hundred eighty and a half lbs lean body mass, and nineteen lbs fat.

    Yes I really did just type all of that out just to keep you in suspense. No skimming to get the percentage. LOL

    bwahahahaha!!! I love that Kleen! that is genious man....dont want nobody taking the easy road to find out the results huh?

    Good job BTW!! Lean, mean, and Kleen!!
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  18. Wow, just a couple days late and already 4 pages in!!!! Really looking fwd to this, Eric really has a solid lineup cookin.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yes Sir you were right. I was kind of thinking I might be but I wasn't going to claim it without having calipers to back me up. Has been a little bit since I have been down here. I should look pretty good here in a few weeks, not saying I don't now but I mean much better. I was looking through the progression from 9 down through about 6 and man the changes happened fast. Of course then I was on a contest diet and now I am trying for rapid recomp with more focus on fat loss but who knows if everything works out between Lean Gains, and being "ON" I may lose fat as fast as I did during the contest prep. Who knows.

    Boy is the wife gonna be shaking her head if I get low and lean and start eyeballing contests. LOL!!! No right now that isn't in the cards but then again, I know myself too.
    Yah I'll be watching closely cuz you are doing what I plan to do at the start of my prep and we are a lot alike...

    Yah my wife is not big on me competing, maybe with lean gains being easier on my psyche she will have a change of heart.

  20. Remember Chris....unless your completely dry a couple of pounds(of non-LBM) are water. So you have LESS then 19 lbs of fat. If you dry up you may drop a percent or so depending on how much water you are carrying.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    They also sell surgical tubing there by the foot, if you thought of going in that direction, you could always increase the number of surgical bands that you use as far as increasing your resistance, just a thought, I saw it at the Ho-Po just the other day!
    Yeah I thought about that as well, but for this I need a constant resistance to guage strength increase. May get some to use for other exercises though.
    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    can you put this on dumbbells? if so got an article or video?
    The ones I am going to try to make should not be a problem. I didn't make it to Home Depot last night so will have to be tomorrow or something. I have other things going on tonight.

    Quote Originally Posted by p5sky View Post
    Wow, just a couple days late and already 4 pages in!!!! Really looking fwd to this, Eric really has a solid lineup cookin.
    Yeah the line up is starting to get interesting quickly.
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah I'll be watching closely cuz you are doing what I plan to do at the start of my prep and we are a lot alike...

    Yah my wife is not big on me competing, maybe with lean gains being easier on my psyche she will have a change of heart.
    Yeah maybe, I told the wife I am competing at least 1 more time so I need to make sure I am set and ready to go when the time comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    Remember Chris....unless your completely dry a couple of pounds(of non-LBM) are water. So you have LESS then 19 lbs of fat. If you dry up you may drop a percent or so depending on how much water you are carrying.
    Actually any water I am holding would benefit my composition regarding LBM more so now even though not helping my physique. Water is considered part of LBM and if I were to lose some of that water volume in my muscle that will lower my overall Lean Mass. However it won't change the caliper readings so it will look like a LBM loss. I was definitely a little full, but not watery at all so I will have to keep that in mind on my next weigh in. That is typically why I always weighed in before in a depleted state. However I don't really have a fully depleted state any more on lean gains so that is hard to achieve. Sunday is my maintenance calorie day so hopefully Mondays are decently consistent regarding my levels of glycogen and water saturation.
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  22. Day 5 - Lower Body Day part 1 - 5/17/11


    So I did my usual and took my 1.5 scoops of WYKED, it has not lost any of it's potency yet at this dose. Still a nice flow of energy, not a rush that feels like it is taking me with it but more of a directed energy. I also took my progestin dose pre workout.

    12 Reps 2-0-2 tempo

    Leg Press - 4 Plates, 12 plates, 14 plates +20, 14 plates +40 - finally starting to have to dig a little to get the reps out on the last set. Keeping the weight moving slowly takes a good bit of control and adds to the work needed just to move the weight. I increased 20 lbs on each of the last 2 sets ending up 20 lbs heavier for the final set. Basically progressing as expected. I will lower the amount of weight I am increasing per workout to 10 lbs once I hit 16 plates unless strength just surges however I do expect to begin to slow down on my progress soon at least while I am working towards leaning up quite a bit.

    Calve Press - 230x15, 275x15 increase both a little just to kind of get a little push on them.

    Inverted hangs on Roman Chair. 2 sets of 2 minute hangs.

    Tonight I will do my Trap Bar Dead Lifts. Should be good to go be hitting a landmark weight at 315 x 20 with no wraps. After this jump we will see how it feels and if I think I need to move to 5 lb increments or if sticking with 10 lb increments makes more sense. It really just depends on how hard the 315 is tonight. Of course I will be doing incline shrugs as well to finish of my traps and retracting muscles of the upper back.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yeah maybe, I told the wife I am competing at least 1 more time so I need to make sure I am set and ready to go when the time comes.
    Sometimes I get the feeling we are leading identical lives

  24. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Sometimes I get the feeling we are leading identical lives
    Me too! I am hoping that this next contest will be a little more clock work. If I can get down around 5-6 with lean gains then work on an approach I should be good to go. No panicking this time around, and I already know that I can come in conditioned to the gills and in better shape than a lot of the guys competing on a regional level. I didn't realize that my first show I was competing with Advanced National level competitors going for a Pro card my first contest. However this time around I know what to expect.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Me too! I am hoping that this next contest will be a little more clock work. If I can get down around 5-6 with lean gains then work on an approach I should be good to go. No panicking this time around, and I already know that I can come in conditioned to the gills and in better shape than a lot of the guys competing on a regional level. I didn't realize that my first show I was competing with Advanced National level competitors going for a Pro card my first contest. However this time around I know what to expect.
    You could be good to go, in the manner you want to do it in the early fall...you could be ready much sooner but I think the idea of letting lean gains take you as far as you can is a good one. Much less hard dieting if any, we still don't know... that's why I'm watching so closely... How low can you go...

  26. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    You could be good to go, in the manner you want to do it in the early fall...you could be ready much sooner but I think the idea of letting lean gains take you as far as you can is a good one. Much less hard dieting if any, we still don't know... that's why I'm watching so closely... How low can you go...
    I have to admit, I am still very amazed by the results you guys are getting from Lean-Gains, I mean it is so different than everything I have been taught about human metabolism, etc. I admit it makes sense when you read it, but then again, so did eating for your Blood-Type and that didn't work worth $hit for me, LoL!!! As soon as I get this school stress behind me, I'm going to have to give it a go myself, I'm just hearing way too much positivity about it, is there anyone out there that has anything negative to say about it, even if it is just that it didn't work for them, I'm just curious???
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    I have to admit, I am still very amazed by the results you guys are getting from Lean-Gains, I mean it is so different than everything I have been taught about human metabolism, etc. I admit it makes sense when you read it, but then again, so did eating for your Blood-Type and that didn't work worth $hit for me, LoL!!! As soon as I get this school stress behind me, I'm going to have to give it a go myself, I'm just hearing way too much positivity about it, is there anyone out there that has anything negative to say about it, even if it is just that it didn't work for them, I'm just curious???
    I personally can't see it working well for ecto's, I could be wrong maybe adjustments can be made... Fast and gorge is just like second nature for me. Small eating has me satisfied 0% of the time where as now I am satisfied about 65% of the time. On top of that I get additional fat burning from the fasting and throw in some muscle gain due to an increase in efficiancy in uptake of nutrients.... Fast and gorge!! Fast and gorge!!

  28. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    I have to admit, I am still very amazed by the results you guys are getting from Lean-Gains, I mean it is so different than everything I have been taught about human metabolism, etc. I admit it makes sense when you read it, but then again, so did eating for your Blood-Type and that didn't work worth $hit for me, LoL!!! As soon as I get this school stress behind me, I'm going to have to give it a go myself, I'm just hearing way too much positivity about it, is there anyone out there that has anything negative to say about it, even if it is just that it didn't work for them, I'm just curious???
    I'm getting fat, but I'm also eating more calories than I "should" be some days, though I think my weekly totals are good.

    Not sure yet, but going 20% over maintenance 5 days a week and below maintenance 20% twice a week may be too much for "lean" gains/bulk.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I personally can't see it working well for ecto's, I could be wrong maybe adjustments can be made... Fast and gorge is just like second nature for me. Small eating has me satisfied 0% of the time where as now I am satisfied about 65% of the time. On top of that I get additional fat burning from the fasting and throw in some muscle gain due to an increase in efficiancy in uptake of nutrients.... Fast and gorge!! Fast and gorge!!
    GREAT, I am an ecto! I never carry much BF, I am FAT when I am around 15%, but I also never look at my diet to control BF. I eat whatever I want, when it is time for summer I can easily drop to ~10% with minimal effort. Should I even look into Leangains?
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I personally can't see it working well for ecto's, I could be wrong maybe adjustments can be made... Fast and gorge is just like second nature for me. Small eating has me satisfied 0% of the time where as now I am satisfied about 65% of the time. On top of that I get additional fat burning from the fasting and throw in some muscle gain due to an increase in efficiancy in uptake of nutrients.... Fast and gorge!! Fast and gorge!!
    Well I am not an ectomorph, I promise you that... Endomorph all the way, that picture of me ripped was after following a 12wk pre-contest diet, 6 small meals a day (0% satisfaction as far as being full/happy as well). But, as you can see, the results were stellar! I guess I only doubt it will work for me, because whenever something sounds too good to be true... it usually is! Again, not doubting or saying it isn't working for you guys, but if it worked as well for me that it is working for you guys, that would truly be a dream come true!!! (fingers crossed) because I am going to try it, just a matter of time to get my school stuff in order before I can truly give this thing my 100%, not going to start something and do it half-A$$, not my style!
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