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  1. Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Good to see numbers are increasing. how is the shoulder feeling?

    I still would not oush it super intense on the last few reps since shoulder may be still adjusting.

    do you see yourself being able to do heavier weights like up another 20 lbs with about the same reps, with no pain, in a couple months?
    I feel very confident in my shoulder. I don't have any pain from any of my pressing at all. I can still feel that some of my rotator cuff muscles are reconditioning somewhat on the pull movements, but not in any bad way. They are just the only things still getting sore at all. Everything else is recovering more quickly. Definitely muscular though, although close to the shoulder joint it is not in the shoulder and is identical on the other side. Probably has more to do with the L-Flies gradually reconditioning them.

    I definitely see myself using another 20 lbs or so in the next 2 months or so. I am doing reps a little slower now so it will be interesting to see how long it takes to get to 12 reps at 225 with this tempo. That is 30 lbs up but not something I feel is out of reach by September or so...
    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Chris...I'm sure I missed it, but where have your cals been roughly through this recomp on cycle? I'm taking notes for my run and trying to get a rough guess of where I need to put mine. I was thinking of doing something like 3500-4k on training days and around 2200-2500 on cardio days but I'm a little unsure
    Well my cals have been in a lot of places. However I would say a good bit of them have been spent in the 1500 and 2800-3200 range. What I have learned is that honestly you need to eat specifically for your goal on that day. I have just separated them now into Burn and Build days. A burn day is a cardio or a rest day and on those days I intentionally extend my fast. If I don't get too hungry I won't eat anything until dinner. Also not trying to bust any supplement companie bubbles but I have not been taking BCAA's at all on these days. I am only taking them pre workout and post workout right now. Anyway on a burn day I don't really have a minimum set of calories. Just a maximum. I wont go over 1800, but if I hold out all day then have 100 grams of protein 50 grams of carbs and 20 grams of fat then well I ate 780 calories that day. All I have done is increase my caloric deficit and burn more fat since no catabolism takes place there is no muscle loss on that day.

    My Build days are estimated at 2800-3200 sometimes up to 3500 but never really over that. Since no loss of muscle occurs on the burn day I don't have to make up for calories from that as a matter of fact I don't want too. I want to keep that deficit as part of the weeks deficit and simply eat enough today for me to have anabolism and build new muscle on top of the new muscle I built on my last build day.

    Between the alternation of these two days and philosophies I burn more fat on the burn days and build exactly the same amount of muscle on the build days. Now if I did take my normal 8 grams of aminos on the burn days I may be able to gain a little more muscle mass but I haven't had the funds to pick up any recently.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    very nice results!!! you guys logging this have really sold me on it.


    i agree, i would like to see what 2 bottles can do also!!!
    Oh yeah this stuff is legit and it will be legit even if in pill form because honestly I swallow quite a bit of grit even after holding it in my mouth for 2 minutes so I doubt there will be too much difference due delivery method.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I feel very confident in my shoulder. I don't have any pain from any of my pressing at all. I can still feel that some of my rotator cuff muscles are reconditioning somewhat on the pull movements, but not in any bad way. They are just the only things still getting sore at all. Everything else is recovering more quickly. Definitely muscular though, although close to the shoulder joint it is not in the shoulder and is identical on the other side. Probably has more to do with the L-Flies gradually reconditioning them.

    I definitely see myself using another 20 lbs or so in the next 2 months or so. I am doing reps a little slower now so it will be interesting to see how long it takes to get to 12 reps at 225 with this tempo. That is 30 lbs up but not something I feel is out of reach by September or so...


    Well my cals have been in a lot of places. However I would say a good bit of them have been spent in the 1500 and 2800-3200 range. What I have learned is that honestly you need to eat specifically for your goal on that day. I have just separated them now into Burn and Build days. A burn day is a cardio or a rest day and on those days I intentionally extend my fast. If I don't get too hungry I won't eat anything until dinner. Also not trying to bust any supplement companie bubbles but I have not been taking BCAA's at all on these days. I am only taking them pre workout and post workout right now. Anyway on a burn day I don't really have a minimum set of calories. Just a maximum. I wont go over 1800, but if I hold out all day then have 100 grams of protein 50 grams of carbs and 20 grams of fat then well I ate 780 calories that day. All I have done is increase my caloric deficit and burn more fat since no catabolism takes place there is no muscle loss on that day.

    My Build days are estimated at 2800-3200 sometimes up to 3500 but never really over that. Since no loss of muscle occurs on the burn day I don't have to make up for calories from that as a matter of fact I don't want too. I want to keep that deficit as part of the weeks deficit and simply eat enough today for me to have anabolism and build new muscle on top of the new muscle I built on my last build day.

    Between the alternation of these two days and philosophies I burn more fat on the burn days and build exactly the same amount of muscle on the build days. Now if I did take my normal 8 grams of aminos on the burn days I may be able to gain a little more muscle mass but I haven't had the funds to pick up any recently.



    Oh yeah this stuff is legit and it will be legit even if in pill form because honestly I swallow quite a bit of grit even after holding it in my mouth for 2 minutes so I doubt there will be too much difference due delivery method.
    who knows maybe even a sublingual pill?
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  3. Thanks for all the info Chris. It still amazes me how well this has done for you. Its done great for me as well, but I'm not getting the recompense effect you are and more of a cut instead. Its hard to believe also that there is zero catabolism going on during the burn days that you break your fast so late. I've been afraid to break my fast any later than a couple hours late, but it has been successful for you so I may give it a shot.
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  4. In for some experimentation!
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  5. Your killing it Kleen . I may have to consult with you about my soon recompense or cut
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    who knows maybe even a sublingual pill?
    Well if it is found to be more effective as a pill then just a pill. Otherwise the grit isn't anything that makes the sublingual delivery an issue the taste is still rather pleasant as it is in the beta.
    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Thanks for all the info Chris. It still amazes me how well this has done for you. Its done great for me as well, but I'm not getting the recompense effect you are and more of a cut instead. Its hard to believe also that there is zero catabolism going on during the burn days that you break your fast so late. I've been afraid to break my fast any later than a couple hours late, but it has been successful for you so I may give it a shot.
    Definitely then eat about an extra 500 calories on the build day then what you had planned.
    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    In for some experimentation!
    Glad your here man!
    Quote Originally Posted by ZamaMan View Post
    Your killing it Kleen . I may have to consult with you about my soon recompense or cut
    Definitely although I am not doing anything magic just kind of putting things I have learned between lean gains and studying the ADF intermittent fasting protocals. Kind of cycle my calories on burn days between 1000 and 1800 calories basically just one big meal or two pretty big meals. I just extend the fast longer on the burn days to burn more fat. Since doing this I may start eating earlier on Build days too.

    I imagine over time I will gradually just be doing ADF as it is starting to feel natural to want to just wait for dinner and have a big meal. Now on ADF you have about 350 cals worth of protein for dinner on the fast day. I think instead I will continue to have a very large dinner or a Warrior diet like 4 hour eating window from about 4:00 to 8:00. Something like that.

    Oh yeah so today I weighed myself fasted 205. Now admittedly since I only had 2 burn days this week I am still holding onto some of the water from the long weekend, but not much of it. I think I may have added a pound or 2 of lbm in all that eating. Abs are looking pretty good today and after a relatively tame weekend as far as eating goes I think I will be looking pretty lean and around 202 when this is over. Not sure if body fat is lower right now or not but weighing in at 205 with decent abs is pretty impressive. We will see how much muscle and fat is there on the final day. No peeking before then but I should be leaner than the last pics and heavier...

    I will update my lift after I finish doing my dead lifts here in a few hours.
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  7. can't believe i haven't asked this before-are you chugging it straight down or holding it for a minute or 2?
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  8. Lower Body 6-4-11 205 lbs!


    Okay today was lower body and I broke it into two different workouts as normal. I had a good but challenging day but weight has increased quickly and now I am pushing the envelope on my max for the rep range so as I go forward I expect most increases to come with a fight. The increases are down to 5 lbs on deads and 10 on leg press. Maybe 5 from here on out. I want to extend the amount of time I progress in weight as long as possible even if very small increases.

    Okay so todays workout was good and challenging too. I like it that way though.

    Leg Press 6p, 12p, 16p +20, 16p +20
    Calve Donkey Press 250x15, 310x15 these burned a bit.
    Roman Chair Hangs 3 1 minute hangs

    Trap Bar Deads - 185x12, 225x5, 275x5, 330x20 - Whew that was some serious work. Happy with the 5 lb increase was hard and once again I did it without any wraps just me and some rosin. Man I really love these things they make me go so much deeper with my legs and center the weight more when lifting than traditional deads. My legs have grown a good bit since doing this along with the leg press. Very happy so far and will continue trying to reach that goal of 405x20 think how much solid mass I can gain during that quest.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    can't believe i haven't asked this before-are you chugging it straight down or holding it for a minute or 2?
    You haven't asked because i answered earlier in the log but heck we are several pages in at this point I am luycky I remember it. LOL I hold it for about 2 minutes most of the time. I like to get a lot of saliva and progestin built up then swish it around to get all the mucus membrane coated before swallowing it.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Okay today was lower body and I broke it into two different workouts as normal. I had a good but challenging day but weight has increased quickly and now I am pushing the envelope on my max for the rep range so as I go forward I expect most increases to come with a fight. The increases are down to 5 lbs on deads and 10 on leg press. Maybe 5 from here on out. I want to extend the amount of time I progress in weight as long as possible even if very small increases.

    Okay so todays workout was good and challenging too. I like it that way though.

    Leg Press 6p, 12p, 16p +20, 16p +20
    Calve Donkey Press 250x15, 310x15 these burned a bit.
    Roman Chair Hangs 3 1 minute hangs

    Trap Bar Deads - 185x12, 225x5, 275x5, 330x20 - Whew that was some serious work. Happy with the 5 lb increase was hard and once again I did it without any wraps just me and some rosin. Man I really love these things they make me go so much deeper with my legs and center the weight more when lifting than traditional deads. My legs have grown a good bit since doing this along with the leg press. Very happy so far and will continue trying to reach that goal of 405x20 think how much solid mass I can gain during that quest.



    You haven't asked because i answered earlier in the log but heck we are several pages in at this point I am luycky I remember it. LOL I hold it for about 2 minutes most of the time. I like to get a lot of saliva and progestin built up then swish it around to get all the mucus membrane coated before swallowing it.
    lol-you have to excuse my short term memory loss....but that is exactly what i whould do-should have known an experienced vet like you would be onto that!!!!
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  10. No problem, I mentioned that way back in the beginning. Lots of stuff to remember and or forget gone on in here since then.

    I am eating a little out of character today. I already broke fast with our Sunday Pancake Brunch we had it early due to going to a graduation ceremony here shortly. I will not eat again for several hours then will be at a barbecue after the ceremony. Probably around 4PM. I will probably limit myself to mostly meat at the bbq, but I am not making any promises. LOL Yesterday wasn't an overboard day high cals yes but not overboard more inline with a high cal day during the week. So not too worried about a little deviance from the plan today. A nice clean week this week and I should be relatively dry and full by the end of the week. Definitely holding onto some new mass. I really seem to have blown up this week. My legs feel big, and shoulders do too. Could be a combination of things but so far things are looking good for a great run and some nice after pics.
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  11. As usual, everything is looking great in here Kleen. That BBQ you are talking about is making me hungry. That sounds damn good right now!!
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    As usual, everything is looking great in here Kleen. That BBQ you are talking about is making me hungry. That sounds damn good right now!!
    Yeah skipped the bbq just didn't fell like being sociable on that level. Just gonna have a decent size dinner and relax this afternoon.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    My legs feel big, and shoulders do too.
    I know exactly what you're talking about here. I love that "on/full" feeling all day. It makes me want to stop what I'm doing & eat some brown rice or a sweet potato!!

    as for holding it under the tongue, I've been doing the same thing.. About 1-2 minutes & then swishing it around a good bit. The grit that's left, I usually just let that dissolve as much as possible & then wash it all down w/ a good 20oz of water.

    Great log Kleen!!
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  15. Late, but in. Progress looks good!

  16. Took the day off to spend time with my son. We went and watched the new XMen movie. I think I may have enjoyed it more than all of the others to be honest. Still large and in charge. The size is not shaking off. I am going to work to clean up more before this ends and see exactly how much muscle is there.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Took the day off to spend time with my son. We went and watched the new XMen movie. I think I may have enjoyed it more than all of the others to be honest. Still large and in charge. The size is not shaking off. I am going to work to clean up more before this ends and see exactly how much muscle is there.
    Awesome that you are looking that big and a couple good burn days and you should be looking even more incredible! I love how this diet allows that. You can gorge a couple days on a weekend or whatever, and then clean everything up with a couple good burn days. Good stuff!!
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Took the day off to spend time with my son. We went and watched the new XMen movie. I think I may have enjoyed it more than all of the others to be honest. Still large and in charge. The size is not shaking off. I am going to work to clean up more before this ends and see exactly how much muscle is there.
    curious to see how that works out for you.
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  19. I haven't been on the scale this week yet but I am sure I am still at the minimum 205 right now. Just holding the glycogen a lot more. Says something about the glycogen retention on this. Adjust my water and my final shots should be impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    who knows maybe even a sublingual pill?
    I actually like that idea. I feel like it's tough to tell when the enzymes in the mouth start to break things down for absorption with the liquid. Either way, I hold it in there about 1-2 minutes before swallowing.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Took the day off to spend time with my son. We went and watched the new XMen movie. I think I may have enjoyed it more than all of the others to be honest. Still large and in charge. The size is not shaking off. I am going to work to clean up more before this ends and see exactly how much muscle is there.
    Yeah them things away from the gym that we really enjoy actually help us in the gym even though they are not directly related. Scream 4 is a pretty good horror. Dairy of a wimpy kid part2 in threatres is good if hes into that kind of stuff. Its important to see part one first.

    Very nice to hear about the progress of your should've and the confidence level behind it. I think the mental confidence is a big contributor in it fully healed and even surpassing where you were before this time really preventing injury with meticulous form. I recently heard Ronnie Coleman talk about not locking out and how it helped his joints and thought of you. Wed had some good discussions and hope we can still keep learning more and more to help each and every one of us.
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  22. 6-7-11 Upper Body and I am ONE BIG FUGGER!!!!!


    Okay not going to go too into my workout. I progressed on everything I did except for the Chin Grip Pull Downs. That was by choice.

    I am just gonna list the old weight and new weight on the lifts since the work sets are what counts here.

    Bench - Last Workout 185, & 190, this workout 195, 195 - I could have gone up to 205 here on the first set without much problem at all. As a matter of fact I talked myself out of going up again on the second set. Need to keep the progress inline with my recovery ability in the shoulder.

    Chin Grip Pull Downs - Last time 160, 160, was extremely hard strained one of the muscles in the rear of my shoulder a tiny bit. I could still feel it hadn't fully recovered so I went with 135x20, 135x20 just nice contraction, get some blood in there and work the muscle so next time it is good and ready to go.

    Military Press - Last time 110, 115x10, this time 115x12, 115x10 up 5 on first work set, and then hit same reps for second.

    EZ Curl - last time 95x11 with a cheat for 12, this time 95x12 and could have gotten 13 but decided to hold out on it.

    Dips - last time BW=205+60, this time BW=211x70, it was just easier to put a 45 and 25 on there than it would have been to put a 45 and 2 10s so I increased it a bit for convenience and because I knew I was not approaching a strength limit just yet. Dipping with the weight was not a problem but my hands are not happy with the pressure points from the bar. LOL I need to get me some neoprine to put over the metal.

    Rear Delt Fly - Subbed for the L-FLy, I just felt like I need to give my rotators a bit of a break, I think I will begin to alternate them in and out. Actually I may just alternate an upper body A routine and an upper body B routine during my next log. Granted it will space some of the exercises out more but will allow me to hit more areas specifically.


    I don't know if you noticed or not in my dips but yes it did indeed say that I was weighing in at 211 lbs this morning!!!! Now I have to be honest here and say that the past week and a half I have not had as many bowel movements as normal. Not that it is something I want to talk about but it could be a sign of a side effect. I have no idea at all if this has any liver toxicity at all since noone has told us any of that. However my bowels are lighter in color and coming less often and that is a sign of the liver being worked over a little. It could be attributed to other things I am sure. However it is definitely worth mentioning. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this or not.

    Another reason it is worth mentioning is that I am slightly distended in the gut right now. I started taking some magnesium to relieve the situation. Regardless something is making it a little dry up in there, and I am a bit stopped up at the moment. Now I am not saying or even hinting that most of the weight is bowel, I honestly think I have put on about 5-6 lbs of LBM during this run. However with holding a bit of water and needing to empty the intestines it is hard to tell. I am hoping to remedy the distended bowel situation before I take my final pics and think I should be around 205-ish and at least as lean as I was when I started if not leaner. It is really hard to tell right now with holding some water and the stomach distension.

    Either way the size really seemed to turn itself on the past two weeks. This week even more so i think. I had noticed I was getting bigger and bigger but didn't realize it had equated to a 12 lb gain so far. Curious to see what of this is water and bowel and what is new muscle.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Yeah them things away from the gym that we really enjoy actually help us in the gym even though they are not directly related. Scream 4 is a pretty good horror. Dairy of a wimpy kid part2 in threatres is good if hes into that kind of stuff. Its important to see part one first.

    Very nice to hear about the progress of your should've and the confidence level behind it. I think the mental confidence is a big contributor in it fully healed and even surpassing where you were before this time really preventing injury with meticulous form. I recently heard Ronnie Coleman talk about not locking out and how it helped his joints and thought of you. Wed had some good discussions and hope we can still keep learning more and more to help each and every one of us.
    Yes it has been nice to gradually increase my trust in my shoulder. I am being very responsive to it regarding making quick changes when I notice something that is out of the norm like I did today with the Chin Grip Pull Downs. I will slowly start working my way back up again I just needed to back up a second and re-approach the 160 with a little less intensity. I allowed the required level of intensity to get to high that last time. I will probably go back up to 150 on my next one then slowly start inching back up and beyond the 160.
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  23. Eat more FIBER Big Guy! Nothing a little psyllium husk won't remedy!
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  24. Just to chime in, I haven't personally had any problems here with the movements.

    Just a note on your shoulder recovery, it's not typical for pulldowns to cause a problem post operatively in my experience. Something doesn't sound right to me. I'm expecting that to be one of your movements that outpaces the others during recovery

    I'm not personally a fan of "L flies" for the external rotators and wonder if it's the right warm up move for some one who's recovering. I believe that a theraband at your side and again at 45 degrees away from the body (but not clear up to 90 degrees) would be a better warm up choice.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Just to chime in, I haven't personally had any problems here with the movements.

    Just a note on your shoulder recovery, it's not typical for pulldowns to cause a problem post operatively in my experience. Something doesn't sound right to me. I'm expecting that to be one of your movements that outpaces the others during recovery

    I'm not personally a fan of "L flies" for the external rotators and wonder if it's the right warm up move for some one who's recovering. I believe that a theraband at your side and again at 45 degrees away from the body (but not clear up to 90 degrees) would be a better warm up choice.
    Maybe I am just confused on what he means by chin pull downs? Kleen... Can you describe the exercise a little better? Underhand/Overhand? Close grip/Wide Grip? Based on the name "Chin Grip Pull Downs" I would assume it is both close grip and underhand, but ya know what they say about making A$$umptions!!!
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  26. Kleen - On a completely different note... Did you receive your package in the mail yet?
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Eat more FIBER Big Guy! Nothing a little psyllium husk won't remedy!
    I actually get in about 35 grams of fiber minimum a day
    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Just to chime in, I haven't personally had any problems here with the movements.

    Just a note on your shoulder recovery, it's not typical for pulldowns to cause a problem post operatively in my experience. Something doesn't sound right to me. I'm expecting that to be one of your movements that outpaces the others during recovery

    I'm not personally a fan of "L flies" for the external rotators and wonder if it's the right warm up move for some one who's recovering. I believe that a theraband at your side and again at 45 degrees away from the body (but not clear up to 90 degrees) would be a better warm up choice.
    I don't have one of the bands but the L-Fly was giving it a bit of a burn there. I very well could be overtraining my rotators which is why I chose the rear delt machine instead of the L-Fly today.

    As far as the discomfort, it could be a muscle like one of the rotators, I am 5 days away from 6 months out from the surgery. I honestly don't think it is in my joint, it does not feel like it is in my joint either. As a matter of fact I would say with 98% certainty it is muscular in nature. However all of my pulling muscles got very deconditioned during the lead up into the surgery. So not sure exactly where the discomfort generated from but I think I am going to try one of the variations you mentioned although I do not have a band I may just use a lighter weight than the 12.5 lb db I have been using.

    Also as far as the injury it happened during a deep row, and this discomfort comes in about the same place coming from overhead as it did from a low row. In other words once my elbows come down pointing to the floor and the points of them reach the centerline of my body I feel the twinge. I think this is still a muscle just one that was deconditioned. However there was absolutely no discomfort with the 135. Once again this could have more to do with me using a severe range of motion. Not everyone retracts the elbows as far as i do when i do a pull down. I probably just need to re-teach myself to do this with a more traditional range of motion and see how it feels. I know I stopped about an inch before with the 135 and felt great so that may very well be the way to go withit. That and I still had a large ROM even with the adjustment.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Maybe I am just confused on what he means by chin pull downs? Kleen... Can you describe the exercise a little better? Underhand/Overhand? Close grip/Wide Grip? Based on the name "Chin Grip Pull Downs" I would assume it is both close grip and underhand, but ya know what they say about making A$$umptions!!!
    In this case they would be pretty close to right. It is a supinated grip, I often don't use supinated because I don't want to have to define supinated. LOL As far as width, my arms are in alignment with my shoulders, thumb is probably about 2 inches out past the cap of my shoulder.
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Kleen - On a completely different note... Did you receive your package in the mail yet?
    Yeah I was wondering why I hadn't heard back from you. I sent you a Reputation like Friday or Saturday telling you I got them and was totally stoked to get started.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yeah I was wondering why I hadn't heard back from you. I sent you a Reputation like Friday or Saturday telling you I got them and was totally stoked to get started.
    Waaahhhh? Let me double check that $hit, I don't remember getting that???

    So when do you plan to start?
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yeah I was wondering why I hadn't heard back from you. I sent you a Reputation like Friday or Saturday telling you I got them and was totally stoked to get started.
    OK, I got the REPs with the message, but it answered my previous question of when you were planning on starting, LoL, it didn't specify that you got them, so my Bad for not understand! It's all GOOD, can't wait for this LOG, it's going to be awesome!
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Okay not going to go too into my workout. I progressed on everything I did except for the Chin Grip Pull Downs. That was by choice.

    I am just gonna list the old weight and new weight on the lifts since the work sets are what counts here.

    Bench - Last Workout 185, & 190, this workout 195, 195 - I could have gone up to 205 here on the first set without much problem at all. As a matter of fact I talked myself out of going up again on the second set. Need to keep the progress inline with my recovery ability in the shoulder.

    Chin Grip Pull Downs - Last time 160, 160, was extremely hard strained one of the muscles in the rear of my shoulder a tiny bit. I could still feel it hadn't fully recovered so I went with 135x20, 135x20 just nice contraction, get some blood in there and work the muscle so next time it is good and ready to go.

    Military Press - Last time 110, 115x10, this time 115x12, 115x10 up 5 on first work set, and then hit same reps for second.

    EZ Curl - last time 95x11 with a cheat for 12, this time 95x12 and could have gotten 13 but decided to hold out on it.

    Dips - last time BW=205+60, this time BW=211x70, it was just easier to put a 45 and 25 on there than it would have been to put a 45 and 2 10s so I increased it a bit for convenience and because I knew I was not approaching a strength limit just yet. Dipping with the weight was not a problem but my hands are not happy with the pressure points from the bar. LOL I need to get me some neoprine to put over the metal.

    Rear Delt Fly - Subbed for the L-FLy, I just felt like I need to give my rotators a bit of a break, I think I will begin to alternate them in and out. Actually I may just alternate an upper body A routine and an upper body B routine during my next log. Granted it will space some of the exercises out more but will allow me to hit more areas specifically.


    I don't know if you noticed or not in my dips but yes it did indeed say that I was weighing in at 211 lbs this morning!!!! Now I have to be honest here and say that the past week and a half I have not had as many bowel movements as normal. Not that it is something I want to talk about but it could be a sign of a side effect. I have no idea at all if this has any liver toxicity at all since noone has told us any of that. However my bowels are lighter in color and coming less often and that is a sign of the liver being worked over a little. It could be attributed to other things I am sure. However it is definitely worth mentioning. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this or not.

    Another reason it is worth mentioning is that I am slightly distended in the gut right now. I started taking some magnesium to relieve the situation. Regardless something is making it a little dry up in there, and I am a bit stopped up at the moment. Now I am not saying or even hinting that most of the weight is bowel, I honestly think I have put on about 5-6 lbs of LBM during this run. However with holding a bit of water and needing to empty the intestines it is hard to tell. I am hoping to remedy the distended bowel situation before I take my final pics and think I should be around 205-ish and at least as lean as I was when I started if not leaner. It is really hard to tell right now with holding some water and the stomach distension.

    Either way the size really seemed to turn itself on the past two weeks. This week even more so i think. I had noticed I was getting bigger and bigger but didn't realize it had equated to a 12 lb gain so far. Curious to see what of this is water and bowel and what is new muscle.



    Yes it has been nice to gradually increase my trust in my shoulder. I am being very responsive to it regarding making quick changes when I notice something that is out of the norm like I did today with the Chin Grip Pull Downs. I will slowly start working my way back up again I just needed to back up a second and re-approach the 160 with a little less intensity. I allowed the required level of intensity to get to high that last time. I will probably go back up to 150 on my next one then slowly start inching back up and beyond the 160.
    kleen, we dont need to hear about ur bowl movements...
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