- 04-20-2011, 01:11 AM
I am new to the PH side of working out but recently purchased a few items from Complete Nutrition (Legal Limit Labs) and wanted to run this stack by some people that know what they are doing to get opinions and reviews of these supplements. I would also like input on things to add during the cycle or remove and then the best PCT stack to use.
LLL makes all these components
5-Deca-Zol (2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol 15mg ; 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol 12.5mg)
Epi-Cynodrone ( 2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androst-3-one 10mg; 2a, 3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol 10mg; Anabolic activator blend 6,7,dyhydroxybergamottin, vanadyl, bioperine 22.5mg)
3-test-oxo ( test production supps, activator blend and anti-estrogen Chrysin, DIM, Red Clover extract)
Optimizer ( Liver Detox, Prostate Support, Anti Estrogen - Calcium D-glucurate, Chrysin)
Stack is as follows
2 Deca daily
2 Epi daily
GNC liver support
during this I will use kre-alkaline, protein, pre-workout, flax & omega, taurine, glutamine, etc along with a good diet and fat burning supp
should I be using the test during the cycle and or during my PCT? When should I start a PCT? Should I take these together or split them into 2 cycles or possibly half the dosage and extend the time or make it a half dose but two cycles?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
- 04-20-2011, 01:23 AM
They both contain Superdrol ph's bro, take them together is a bad idea. Pick one, look at it then throw it back in a box til you figure out what the hell you are doing.
You Neeeed a serm for this for either one. And PCT starts the day after your cycle ends. If you use the search function here you will find excellent information. Look in the Anabolics section for PCT info
04-20-2011, 01:50 AM
I kind of thought taking them together was trouble so this is why I wanted to ask. The two versions of PH's contained in them work differently as far as I can tell and this is why I asked the question about halfing the dose of each and taking them together versus doubling the dose and taking them seperate. As far as PCT I have noticed some people starting them a week or so before their cycle ends.
Thanks for your feedback
04-20-2011, 01:53 AM
04-20-2011, 02:24 AM
Isn't that stack kind of overkill for your first run? One compound will do you good bro. And I honestly think you need a lot more reading and researching to do before you even start.
04-20-2011, 10:22 AM
Yes I think it is overkill now but I didn't know any better at the time. I bought first and researched later so I am stuck with both PH's but will only be using them one at a time. I believe I will run the Epi for a 5 week cycle along with the optimizer for liver and estrogen control and maybe the 6-oxo since I have it in a light dose. For PCT I will try and get the trusted Nolva and add the 6-oxo and optimizer gradually increasing the dosage. Is there anything you can buy OTC to run as a PCT if you can't get access to Nolva?
04-20-2011, 10:24 AM
I forgot to mention in my original post that I am almost 29 and have been working out solid for a year.
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