BDCC's PES AnaBeta-01 Log

[bdcc]

2 hours after I finished eating that breakfast and an orange afterwards my plan was to have a BRP/WMS shake and go straight to the gym.

I feel so hungry I actually feel sick. I have had to throw some more food on the grill because there is no way I could train like this, shakes for me are to add calories to your food regime, not to replace it. I have them when I am not hungry or food will take an hour to cook.

It is like waking up the morning after you have had a heavy night and you feel so hollow you feel nauseous. I didn't expect much in the way of appetite increases from this but I never feel this hungry less than 3 hours after eating steak and eggs. If this continues I make a recommendation to anyone who wants to eat clean to keep quick cook food on hand, this is the type of thing that would make you rush into your local generic fast food place and have three servings.

I am desperately looking for something to eat now but don't have any clean choices so will have to be patient. If I make gluten free pancakes before I train I will want to fall into my insulin/serotonin coma...

[bdcc]

New leg programme started today.

A1) Snatch Grip Deadlift 3-1-1-0 10 seconds rest
A2) 45 Degree Leg Press 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
A3) Hack Squat Machine 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
A4) Sumo Stance Deadlift 3-1-1-0 180 seconds rest
All exercises are 3 x 8-12.

B1) Iso-Lateral Leg Extension 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
B2) Horizontal Hack Squat Calf Raises 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
B3) Donkey Calf Raises 3-0-1-0 10 seconds rest
B4) Plantar-Flexed Seated Leg Curl 3-0-1-0 120 seconds rest
All exercises are 3 x 8-12

I set myself a hard target with the first four exercises and they absolutely battered me. By the third set on the sumo deadlift I hit 2 reps because my lower back pump was so severe.

I didn't want to finish there but physically couldn't do anything worth while involving my lower back as a stabiliser (I struggled to carry a 25kg plate back to the rack because it was so bad). This is why the last 4 exercises are much more easier than the first four.

Appetite is ridiculous, I can't remember if I have ever felt this hungry throughout the day. I felt sick with hunger 2 hours after breakfast so delayed my gym session to eat again. I felt sick within an hour after finishing the gym because I was ravenous, usually eating an hour after such a big shake is a bit of a chore.

150g carbs (dextrose and maltodextrin mix), 70g BRP.

I planned to go to the gym earlier today because I carb up after gym sessions to avoid lethargy when training and I felt like I needed carbs very early in the day. Carb up for the rest of the evening.

[Rosie Chee]

Appetite is ridiculous, I can't remember if I have ever felt this hungry throughout the day. I felt sick with hunger 2 hours after breakfast so delayed my gym session to eat again. I felt sick within an hour after finishing the gym because I was ravenous, usually eating an hour after such a big shake is a bit of a chore.

150g carbs (dextrose and maltodextrin mix), 70g BRP.

I planned to go to the gym earlier today because I carb up after gym sessions to avoid lethargy when training and I felt like I needed carbs very early in the day. Carb up for the rest of the evening.

Maybe train first, LOL. Appetite only gets more ridiculous the longer you use AnaBeta-01, and after the first dose and training, it's like being a never-ending food monster every hour on the hour (if not more!) - I'm used to never being full, but this was different, like there was no end to the usually never-ending pit, like I kept needing to fuel the fire

~Rosie~

[bdcc]

Maybe train first, LOL. Appetite only gets more ridiculous the longer you use AnaBeta-01, and after the first dose and training, it's like being a never-ending food monster every hour on the hour (if not more!) - I'm used to never being full, but this was different, like there was no end to the usually never-ending pit, like I kept needing to fuel the fire

~Rosie~

Interesting feedback, thank you. I have always been someone who ate clean and even cheat meals were planned refeeds rather than pizzas etc. I haven't had a pizza or fast food takeaway in maybe 4 years.

Did you find there was anything which your body craved more? Some people have said they crave carbs when others said their sugar cravings went down dramatically.

I don't think I could fill myself up on a lower carb diet with this. I feel hungry within an hour or so of eating and hungry to the point of feeling sick within two.

[nattydisaster]

You may want to lower to 3 caps if it is that potent on you. Just keep an eye on it

[Rosie Chee]

Interesting feedback, thank you. I have always been someone who ate clean and even cheat meals were planned refeeds rather than pizzas etc. I haven't had a pizza or fast food takeaway in maybe 4 years.

Did you find there was anything which your body craved more? Some people have said they crave carbs when others said their sugar cravings went down dramatically.

I don't think I could fill myself up on a lower carb diet with this. I feel hungry within an hour or so of eating and hungry to the point of feeling sick within two.

No worries, bud

Not proud to admit it, but I've never been a clean eater, LOL - I still deal very much with eating far too much than I should, never have had to worry about it when I was younger, and easily consuming in excess of 10,000 calories a day when I was cycling. In saying that, I am a true carb addict, and my body craves them - give me fruit and I'll want to eat the supermarket, LOL. Seriously, I was eating whatever was in the cupboards and fridge, anything and everything, whether I particularly cared for it or not (mostly not, but it was there and I was hungry).

I could never do a low carbohydrate diet for much longer than 5-7 days, honestly. Only recently though, I have started to manipulate my carbohydrate type (not having - or not often - the carbohydrate sources that I know upsets my body) and consumption timing (around training) more effectively for optimal results and appetite control. I'm still very much a work in progress when it comes to discipline re my nutrition, but I'm getting there, especially since my health very much requires the change and no more abuse of my body.

~Rosie~

[bdcc]

You may want to lower to 3 caps if it is that potent on you. Just keep an eye on it

I am going to up my carbs a lot today. I have some gluten and dairy free coconut and dark chocolate macaroons which would be 1200 calories for the pack and 150g of sugar. I also have some dark chocolate (dairy free) rice cakes and some fruit and nut bars. I will load up and see if it curbs the cravings. At the moment they are ridiculous but I like upping the carbs as much as possible until I see my body fat increasing so this will allow me to do so and see how I get on. If it gets worse or intolerable I will try 2 post workout with an even higher carb shake and one capsule twice for the rest of the day. If that fails then cut down to three. This is crazily potent, I have literally never felt so hungry and I am less than 36 hours in.

No worries, bud

Not proud to admit it, but I've never been a clean eater, LOL - I still deal very much with eating far too much than I should, never have had to worry about it when I was younger, and easily consuming in excess of 10,000 calories a day when I was cycling. In saying that, I am a true carb addict, and my body craves them - give me fruit and I'll want to eat the supermarket, LOL. Seriously, I was eating whatever was in the cupboards and fridge, anything and everything, whether I particularly cared for it or not (mostly not, but it was there and I was hungry).

I could never do a low carbohydrate diet for much longer than 5-7 days, honestly. Only recently though, I have started to manipulate my carbohydrate type (not having - or not often - the carbohydrate sources that I know upsets my body) and consumption timing (around training) more effectively for optimal results and appetite control. I'm still very much a work in progress when it comes to discipline re my nutrition, but I'm getting there, especially since my health very much requires the change and no more abuse of my body.

~Rosie~

That is why I go lower carb. If I consume grains I start feeling inflamed, I get bloated, joints start aching and injuries start popping up. Ironically I get on better with sugar as a carb source than any of the 'healthy' sources like whole wheat and oats.

[Rosie Chee]

That is why I go lower carb. If I consume grains I start feeling inflamed, I get bloated, joints start aching and injuries start popping up. Ironically I get on better with sugar as a carb source than any of the 'healthy' sources like whole wheat and oats.

Nothing wrong with sugar from fruit - I love fruit! I've primarily been getting my complex carbohydrates from basmati rice - a 10 pound bag doesn't last very long when you have a cup several times a day, LOL.

~Rosie~

[bdcc]

It is quite a weird feeling, I have polished off a normal sized plate of homemade beef chili (tomato passata, herbs etc) and knew I would want something afterwards. I am just over half way through my pack of macaroons so an extra 600 calories more than I would usually consume and I have that slight nauseous feeling when you go too far on a carb up but my stomach doesn't feel full.

My mind says "you know you have had enough" but my stomach feels like it hasn't even ingested anything.

I am going to a friends house for about 3 hours as soon as I finish food. Usually I would wait to eat when I get back but I am going to take a hefty BRP + WMS shake with some high carb snacks and then have homemade chicken curry (chicken, coconut milk and authentic Thai curry paste) waiting for me as soon as I get back.

[bdcc]

Day three today was a day off from training.

- Appetite was increased but nowhere near as fierce as it has been after training sessions. I have been on a lower carb day and managed it fairly well without much in the way of cravings
- Dry mouth is not noticeable today
- No noticeable urination increase
- No other side effects

Arms tomorrow. Carbs on hand in case I feel as ravenous as I did yesterday.

[nattydisaster]

Awesome. Looking forward to tomorrow!

[BarbellBeast]

Yo that's crazy that you eat lots of sugars and gain no fat. But gain fat or get bloated from whole grains huh? What's a typical daily diet look like for you buddy?

[Rosie Chee]

Yo that's crazy that you eat lots of sugars and gain no fat. But gain fat or get bloated from whole grains huh? What's a typical daily diet look like for you buddy?

Just sayin', fruit and sugars aren't what cause fat gain, LOL - eating beyond energy needs and/or lean mass gain caloric requirements does - and bloating can be caused by anything an individual is sensitive or intolerant to.

[BarbellBeast]

Just sayin', fruit and sugars aren't what cause fat gain, LOL - eating beyond energy needs and/or lean mass gain caloric requirements does - and bloating can be caused by anything an individual is sensitive or intolerant to.

So you're saying if I swapped out my Oats, Brown rice and WW bread & pastas for sugars instead I wouldn't gain fat?

[Rosie Chee]

So you're saying if I swapped out my Oats, Brown rice and WW bread & pastas for sugars instead I wouldn't gain fat?

Not saying that at all - although, if you were eating under Maintenance doing that, then it's unlikely you would gain anything. No individual is alike, and just as with training, everyone has to find the "best" and most optimal nutritional method for them, their body, goals and needs.

~Rosie~

[BarbellBeast]

Not saying that at all - although, if you were eating under Maintenance doing that, then it's unlikely you would gain anything. No individual is alike, and just as with training, everyone has to find the "best" and most optimal nutritional method for them, their body, goals and needs.

~Rosie~

Ok, gotcha

[ryansm]

lol, this is like reading my own thoughts/experiences.

[bdcc]

Yo that's crazy that you eat lots of sugars and gain no fat. But gain fat or get bloated from whole grains huh? What's a typical daily diet look like for you buddy?

I maybe phrased that badly so will summarise my ethos on it to clear things up.

- For me, I must be lean to deserve high carb treats
- I went low carb and had one refeed (not cheat) meal once every five days until I was sub 10% body fat
- I digest gluten badly, although a functional medicine test did not identify any allergy to gliadin I get gastrointestinal upset (although mild in some cases) with almost any grain. Gluten free are my only options, rice, quinoa, buckwheat, potatoes are my main starch sources.
- When I cheat, I tend to do it with sugary foods rather than starchy foods because I react badly when I eat junk. There are very few gluten and dairy free cheat meals available so what I class as a 'cheat' is a refeed by most people's standards.
- Examples of refeed foods for me are; coconut macaroons, buckwheat pancakes, brown rice and sweet potatoes.

I am definitely someone who has adapted and functions best on low carbs, if I have a small portion of brown rice with my meat for breakfast I spend all day with fluctuating blood sugar and feel the need to take a nap within a couple of hours. This is why I try and take in these foods after training only. If I had chicken and brown rice for breakfast rather than steak and nuts I have the training drive of someone who has just taken a mild herbal sleep aid lol.

It isn't that I would get fat necessarily if I eat grains, I mean bloated as in GI bloating rather than a 'bloated' look.

[bdcc]

Today was the first arm workout of the new routine. Here it is;

A1) Reverse EZ Scott Curls 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
A2) EZ Scott Curls 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
A3) Scott Zottman Curls 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
A4) Seated Hammer Curls 3-0-1-0 120 seconds
All exercises are 8-12 reps

B1) 45 Degree Incline DB Tricep Extensions 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
B2) Flat Bench DB Tricep Extensions 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
B3) Flat Bench Narrow Grip EZ Extensions 3-0-1-0 10 seconds
B4) Seated Narrow Grip Overhead EZ Extensions 3-0-1-0 120 seconds
All exercises are 8-12 reps.

Workout was hard, a fierce pump in the arms which is to be expected. The weights are extremely light compared to what I am used to doing which is why I chose a routine like this, as an acculumation phase following an intensification phase.

[Rosie Chee]

Workout was hard, a fierce pump in the arms which is to be expected. The weights are extremely light compared to what I am used to doing which is why I chose a routine like this, as an acculumation phase following an intensification phase.

Even using lighter (or what you might consider "light") weights, one can still complete an intense session if they know how! Looks like you did just that

~Rosie~