Volcom's Creatine Nitrate and Mesomorph Log

[VolcomX311]

no tolerance build up with over half the tub gone. the effects keep increasing, not diminishing like most pre-workouts i have used.

combined with the creatine nitrate, i think you are really going to enjoy the ride!!!

GOOD LUCK!

Thanks Big, I appreciate you stopping by. This stack has been doing me well so far, I've had some unexpected, positive surprises with the combination of the two.

I wonder if there is more beta alanine per serving in mesomorph then in jack3d or ASGT, I don't know, but the parasthetic symptoms I get from 1 scoop of mesomorph suggests a higher dosage. It literally feels like 2 scoops of jack3d, both in the intensity of the parasthesia and the duration it lasts.

[APS NUTRITION]

Thanks Big, I appreciate you stopping by. This stack has been doing me well so far, I've had some unexpected, positive surprises with the combination of the two.

I wonder if there is more beta alanine per serving in mesomorph then in jack3d or ASGT, I don't know, but the parasthetic symptoms I get from 1 scoop of mesomorph suggests a higher dosage. It literally feels like 2 scoops of jack3d, both in the intensity of the parasthesia and the duration it lasts.

There is 4100mg of beta alanine in 1 serving of mesomorph.We feel that is the min amount needed to achieve the necessary carnosine production and intracellular saturation.this is one of the reasons mesomorph is so different from many other in that it works better and better the more you use it as opposed to working less and less like some.Not only do the energizers work continuously with no tolerance problems but unlike most the muscle building ingredient are dosed correctly so you see more and more of those benefits with time as gaspari points out all these others don't have that benefit AT ALL because they all have well below the minimal effective dose of the muscle building agents so once the stim tolerance kicks in you are left with nothing.It takes a good 10-14 days for the carnosine levels to achieve an effective level so you just wait volcom meso hasn't even begun to perform for you to it's potential.

[VolcomX311]

There is 4100mg of beta alanine in 1 serving of mesomorph.We feel that is the min amount needed to achieve the necessary carnosine production and intracellular saturation.this is one of the reasons mesomorph is so different from many other in that it works better and better the more you use it as opposed to working less and less like some.Not only do the energizers work continuously with no tolerance problems but unlike most the muscle building ingredient are dosed correctly so you see more and more of those benefits with time as gaspari points out all these others don't have that benefit AT ALL because they all have well below the minimal effective dose of the muscle building agents so once the stim tolerance kicks in you are left with nothing.It takes a good 10-14 days for the carnosine levels to achieve an effective level so you just wait volcom meso hasn't even begun to perform for you to it's potential.

Oh wow, that would CLEARLY explain the amount of parasthesia I get from 1 serving of Mesomorph and that's pretty amazing. I've never taken more then 1-2g of BA in one setting, which would explain the extraordinarily lack of burn I felt the other day; the greatest lack of sense of H+/lactic build up ever, in spite of the aggressive & excessive super-setting.

Thanks for shedding light on this matter. It adds to the relevant content when referring a supplement. It's even better when you can point to the significance of the dose quantity, as oppose to a general ingredient

[APS NUTRITION]

Oh wow, that would CLEARLY explain the amount of parasthesia I get from 1 serving of Mesomorph and that's pretty amazing. I've never taken more then 1-2g of BA in one setting, which would explain the extraordinarily lack of burn I felt the other day; the greatest lack of sense of H+/lactic build up ever, in spite of the aggressive & excessive super-setting.

Thanks for shedding light on this matter. It adds to the relevant content when referring a supplement. It's even better when you can point to the significance of the dose quantity, as oppose to a general ingredient

Yeah mesomorph is a true preworkout formula for those serious about working out.Athletes like yourself who lift hard and heavy will benefit from and appreciate what it has to offer as most of these ingredients deal with recouperation,toxin removal,assisting the muscle perform to it's maximum potential under supraphysical demand and stress etc.Not so much for the "social lifter"who goes in on Fridays so he has a good pump while at happy hour (and we all have one friend like that).although he will appreciate the nice energy kick from it.Nice log going on here,really interested to see how this combo influences your progress.will be along for the ride.

[thebigt]

There is 4100mg of beta alanine in 1 serving of mesomorph.We feel that is the min amount needed to achieve the necessary carnosine production and intracellular saturation.this is one of the reasons mesomorph is so different from many other in that it works better and better the more you use it as opposed to working less and less like some.Not only do the energizers work continuously with no tolerance problems but unlike most the muscle building ingredient are dosed correctly so you see more and more of those benefits with time as gaspari points out all these others don't have that benefit AT ALL because they all have well below the minimal effective dose of the muscle building agents so once the stim tolerance kicks in you are left with nothing.It takes a good 10-14 days for the carnosine levels to achieve an effective level so you just wait volcom meso hasn't even begun to perform for you to it's potential.

this is exactly what i have experienced. by now i would be noticing diminishing effects from other pre-workouts i have used. the effects of mesomorph just keep increasing. i can honestly say mesomorph is the best pre-workout i have tried.

[VolcomX311]

Yeah mesomorph is a true preworkout formula for those serious about working out.Athletes like yourself who lift hard and heavy will benefit from and appreciate what it has to offer as most of these ingredients deal with recouperation,toxin removal,assisting the muscle perform to it's maximum potential under supraphysical demand and stress etc.Not so much for the "social lifter"who goes in on Fridays so he has a good pump while at happy hour (and we all have one friend like that).although he will appreciate the nice energy kick from it.Nice log going on here,really interested to see how this combo influences your progress.will be along for the ride.

That's good, motivational info and thanks for joining in. This combination fits in well to my current routine, high intensity with relatively high volume. I'll be looking forward to every workout and seeing how things progress.

[VolcomX311]

this is exactly what i have experienced. by now i would be noticing diminishing effects from other pre-workouts i have used. the effects of mesomorph just keep increasing. i can honestly say mesomorph is the best pre-workout i have tried.

Well, already I have felt a pronounced superiority in diminishing H+ build up from the Mesomorph and I'm hypothesizing there is also a strong synergy between the effects of the nitrates with the BA in improving my lactate threshold. My speculation seemed more solidified to myself at least, when it was disclosed how much BA there was per serving of mesomorph.

[MrKleen73]

This officially makes Asians the majority as of right now, lol.

Post your math problems here.

42x8 /6 =x, & x + Y = -12 what is Y, and Y am I asking you?

There is 4100mg of beta alanine in 1 serving of mesomorph.We feel that is the min amount needed to achieve the necessary carnosine production and intracellular saturation.this is one of the reasons mesomorph is so different from many other in that it works better and better the more you use it as opposed to working less and less like some.Not only do the energizers work continuously with no tolerance problems but unlike most the muscle building ingredient are dosed correctly so you see more and more of those benefits with time as gaspari points out all these others don't have that benefit AT ALL because they all have well below the minimal effective dose of the muscle building agents so once the stim tolerance kicks in you are left with nothing.It takes a good 10-14 days for the carnosine levels to achieve an effective level so you just wait volcom meso hasn't even begun to perform for you to it's potential.

Dang that alone makes me want to try out Mesomorphosis. Well that and the other feedback I have been hearing. Maybe when I recover from Christmas spending....

[VolcomX311]

42x8 /6 =x, & x + Y = -12 what is Y, and Y am I asking you?



Dang that alone makes me want to try out Mesomorphosis. Well that and the other feedback I have been hearing. Maybe when I recover from Christmas spending....

Y = -68.

Meso is good stuff so far.

Also, in case anyone missed WEC's Anthony Pettis's Matrix kick

[VolcomX311]

Today's Back workout, emphasis on thickness was one of thee best and most intense back workouts I've ever had, that didn't include Dead Lifts.

Re-introduction of Mesomorph.
Firstly, pronounced, pronounced difference in working out with Mesomorph, then without; not only sheer intensity-wise, but clear distinction in the lack of contraction inhibiting H+ build up from reps (via the Beta Alanine).

Secondly, I took my Mesomorph after eating some carbs to see if I could buffer some of the parasthesia, as I happen to be hyper-sensitive to parasthesia and I was surprised when I found out there was 4g of BA per serving and I didn't peel my skin off with a potato peeler. Ingesting carbs before the Mesomorph did help in blunting the peak intensity of the parasthesia, but not the duration. I'm 2.5 hours past my dose of meso and I still feel residual parasthesia, which doesn't happen with other pre-workouts. Usually all the parasthesia goes away after 30 min. You are certainly getting your moneys worth of BA in this product.

BACK WORKOUT

One Arm, Underhand Grip Db Rows
100lbs Db's x 10 reps
110lbs Db's x 10 reps
120lbs Db's x 10 reps
125lbs Db's x 10 reps
125lbs Db's x 10 reps

One Arm, T-Bar Rows [free weight barbell between the legs]
90lbs x 10 reps
135lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 6 reps
180lbs x 6 reps

One Arm, Hammer High Rows
135lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 10 reps
225lbs x 8 reps
270lbs x 6 reps

One Arm, Hammer Low Rows
135lbs x 10 reps
180lbs x 8 reps
225lbs x 6

The workout as far as weight is concerned doesn't seem so extraordinary, it was the weight x the pace. I was ready to throw up from the first set of one arm T-bars, but my partner and I just kept moving one after another, no BSing, not much talking, breathing too hard to hold a conversation really. I was gasping for air like I was doing HIT sprints on a field.

I don't know that I could have maintained this pace if it were not for the effects of the mesomorph. I would have been in residual muscle burn and having to slow my roll, but I didn't. Great workout once again.

Side Notes:

- No diminished stimulant effects.

- No intra-workout, tail-end workout or post workout crash. I'm still plenty energized.

- I can't really gauge whether the BA is improving my carnosine stores or not because no burn is no burn, perhaps the next time I hit something more vulnerable to burning like delts, I'll pay closer to attention when I extend into my super-sets or drop sets.

and for those of you who are hyper-sensitive to high dosages of BA, ingest some carbs prior to taking the Mesomorph and it helps to blunt the parasthesia.



I really wanted to finish off with some light deads to pre-hab my back, but the Db rows and T-bars

[JudgementDay]

Great workout, detail and thoughts on the products, this log is looking amazing!

I tend to use lots of BA, normally 1 scoop of Meso and 2 scoops of Purple Wraath, so prob over 6g.

[more knowledge]

Y = -68.

Meso is good stuff so far.

Also, in case anyone missed WEC's Anthony Pettis's Matrix kick

That kick is one of the craziest things i have ever seen in mma!

[VolcomX311]

That kick is one of the craziest things i have ever seen in mma!

Frankie Edgar or Greg Maynard will have their hands full against Pettis. Apart from this showy Matrix kick, his stand up and his ground is solid.

[VolcomX311]

I was suppose to do legs today, but I ran into my friend who's an ex pro Rugby player. He "ONLY" O-lifts, yet is built like someone who's been doing DC training for years. He's just thick and solid as hell. I've never seen someone who fit the term "built like a brick" more appropriately. I wouldn't want to get tackled by this guy, especially without pads. His core strength is outrageous, mine in comparison to his is sand in the vag. My leg day therefore, was put off.

Side Notes

- Yesterday I ate simple carbs before ingesting Mesomorph to try and blunt the BA parasthesia and it seemed to blunt the peak intensity of the tingling and it as time progressed, it waned as usual. This morning, I ate complex carbs before taking the mesomorph and it probably blunted the peak intensity of the parasthesia by 50-75%, but it remained at a higher level or longer.

TRAPS day (sort of)

Hang Snatch
95lbs x 5 reps (a warm up at this point, but this used to be a set).
115lbs x 5 reps (also used to be a set).
135lbs x 3 reps
140lbs x 3 reps
145lbs x 2 reps
150lbs x 1 rep (PR? I'd have to look back at previous numbers).

Hang Cleans
135lbs x 5 reps (definitely warm up weight now).
155lbs x 5 reps
185lbs x 3 reps
185lbs x 3 reps
205lbs x 1 rep

Barbell Shrugs
225lbs x 20 reps (I didn't feel the hint of H+ build up until about rep 20)
315lbs x 10 reps
335lbs x 10 reps
355lbs x 8 reps

Smith, Behind The Neck Shrugs
225lbs x 10 reps
315lbs x 10 reps
405lbs x 10 reps
455lbs x 8 reps

My hang snatch felt the most notably effected by the CN/Meso. It's not something that shows in the numbers, but something only I can experience, which is how fresh I felt between reps and how much more explosive I felt during the rep. Unlike conventional bodybuilding reps, in a power movement, being that it's so complex-compound and requires so much energy per pull, you can feel a full-body fatigue within a single rep. I felt abnormally fresh between reps and my pulls felt lighter then usual, which I attribute to the creatine nitrate.

Another great workout. Also, strangely no DOMS from yesterdays back attack. Great stuff APS

[VolcomX311]

I gotta tell you guys, doing O-lifts have done wonders for my traps.

[JudgementDay]

I'm gonna start adding some O-lifts into my routine on my upcoming stack. Workouts look great!, Can't imagine your friend out lifting you by much, must be one hell of a strong dude!

Keep up the good work!

[FlexW99]

Vol doin his thing!

[VolcomX311]

I'm gonna start adding some O-lifts into my routine on my upcoming stack. Workouts look great!, Can't imagine your friend out lifting you by much, must be one hell of a strong dude!

Keep up the good work!

The O-lifts will translate directly to TD's/TDD's and anything involving hip extension, like sweeps, escapes....

The ex pro Ruby guy isn't stronger then me bodybuilding wise. I can out bench, out deadlift him, but when it comes to hip explosion and core strength, he's more powerful and more core stable by a larger margin, then I am stronger then him, strength lifting wise.

Overhead squats, seated in the hams to calves position is the zenith of core strength/stability. I can only hold an overhead HtC with 135lbs, he can hold that same position with 225lbs, which until you've tried it, you can't really grasp how hard that is. I could reach a 600lbs dead lift before I reach that, imo.

Anyway, once you start o-lifting and you want any kind of tips or info, feel more then free to hit me up.

[more knowledge]

Frankie Edgar or Greg Maynard will have their hands full against Pettis. Apart from this showy Matrix kick, his stand up and his ground is solid.

Yeah i actually saw a show on him about a month ago.More of like a biography type of thing about his life on (of all places) MTV.He has that tunnel vision the best guys get.He says he feels like he cant even lose one fight in ufc cause its to the bottom of list,he says two fights and that could be it.Lotta pressure

[VolcomX311]

Chest Day

Flat Db Press
100lbs Db's x 12 reps
110lbs Db's x 12 reps
120lbs Db's x 8 reps
125lbs Db's x 6 reps

Incline Db Press
90lbs x 10 reps
95lbs x 10 reps
100lbs x 8 reps
105lbs x 6 reps [I didn't think I'd have it in me to progress this far with the inclines, but I felt good and my chest was extraordinarily not fatigued by this point]

Incline Hammer Press
180lbs x 10 reps
270lbs x 10 reps
360lbs x 8 reps
410lbs x 5 [suspect reps]

Hammer Wide Press
270lbs x 10 reps
320lbs x 8 reps
370lbs x 6 reps

I honestly wanted to continue to one more decline focused press, but I promised the wife I'd be home in time for dinner.... turns out I could have been a couple min late, but oh well. I felt I was 90% spent.

Today, one of the more pronounced effects I felt from the CN/Meso combo was the extraordinary amount of muscle stamina and strength. I felt strong during the lifts and I never really felt fatigued. My between sets recovery was incredible and it was one of those days where rather then dreading the pain of the next set, I was fresh and looking forward to what I was able to do.

Also, eating a nutribar before ingesting the Meso blunted the peak intensity and shortened the duration of the parasthesia. These specific details are important to me because I am hyper-sensitive to beta alanine. I've never taken 4g in one sitting due to my hyper-sensitivity. I usually stick with 1g at a time in 3-4 doses throughout the day to make it manageable, so I'm sympathetic to the plight of those sensitive to parasthesia.

Worth of note.
No intra or toward the end of the workout or immediately post workout burn out from the stims and something to keep in mind, this may not be as extraordinary had this been day 8 of a pre-workout in general, but its extraordinary because I transitioned directly into having used a combination of jack3d and ASGT for about two months prior, directly into this log. I was already at the point of needing to up the dosage of either and/or both products (jack3d/ASGT) to get the desired effects, yet I'm still receiving above and beyond the desired effects from a single serving of Mesomorph.

Cool Random Info
I saw an ex high school kid I was a personal S&C coach for tonight, he plays tight end for CAL (Division I college football) now and was back on Christmas vacation. It was cool because my workout partner who is a football fanatic recognized him from watching college ball and when I told him I used to train him his senior year of high school, he thought it was pretty cool.

Anyway, another impressive experience with this combo, my strength, endurance and stamina improvements reminds me and feels like I'm on some kind of pro hormone stack, minus the lethargy.