Can I get some advice on Pro hormone Stack??
- 11-27-2010, 02:23 PM
Can I get some advice on Pro hormone Stack??
I was wondering if could get some feedback on the stack I have been sold by my local supplement store. I am an amateur at this stuff, so I would appreciate some wisdom.
-23 years old
-6 feet tall
I am 1 week into my "cycle", and I'm on Stanzabolin (Orastan-E Clone) 50mgX2 daily, 3,000 mg of D-Asparatic Acid once in the morning, Milk Thistle and Fish oil for liver support, and a good protein shake. They also sold me Estrogenex for PCT to be bridged on the last week (week 4), the continued after the Stanzabolin till the bottle runs out.
I am a little nervous after reading some of the horror stories online about natural test not coming back, libido problems, liver damage, insomnia, and on and on. I was told the milk thistle is good for liver support, and the D-Asp. Acid will counteract the libido loss from the Stanz. Has anyone had any experience with this combo or anything related? Would really appreciate some good info.
- 11-27-2010, 06:39 PM
At 23 you should not be messing around with PH endless you are low in T. Are you low in Testosterone?
- 11-27-2010, 07:11 PM
#2. ora-e shouldn't cause loss of libido, esp at that dose.
#3. estrogenix-there is a thread about that stuff, it looks like crap.
#4. get some erase.
#5. never take advice from some guy at a supplement store-unless you personally know he knows his stuff.
#6. buy your supps at nutraplanet.
#7. now this is very important-always research your supps BEFORE BUYING.
THERE ARE GUYS HERE WHO WILL GIVE MUCH BETTER ADVICE THAN SOME GUY IN A SUPPLEMENT STORE.
ANABOLICMINDS IS A GREAT FORUM, ask questions and you will learn.
11-27-2010, 07:35 PM
11-27-2010, 07:41 PM
11-27-2010, 07:50 PM
11-28-2010, 02:09 PM
No I dont have naturally low test. I am taking it for gains in the gym. As far as the post about Estrogenex PCT, I have read about the company HyTech Pharm and their legal troubles.
After a week, I am starting to notice something in the gym, probably just in my head.
If I decide to stop, do you guys recomend using the PCT for like a week? Is it ok to continue with the D-Asp acid?
Thanks for the advice!
11-28-2010, 02:13 PM
Do you recommended getting off the Stanzabolin and onto the Erase, or is that for PCT instead of the Estrogenex. How do yo think I should go about that??
11-28-2010, 02:19 PM
my advice is to drop the ora-e and save it for when you are more experienced/knowledgeable.
if you want, add in a pre workout containing creatine/beta alanine/citrulline malate. and be sure to get enough protein-particularly post workout.
i think you would be very impressed with results if you follow this layout.
11-28-2010, 04:29 PM
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11-28-2010, 04:47 PM
11-28-2010, 04:57 PM
11-28-2010, 09:05 PM
Do you think I should use PCT since I have been on the Stanz for a week?
Have you heard of people just using PCT's like Estrogenex to just enhance their natural test to estrogen ratio??
11-28-2010, 09:24 PM
what you are refering to is called a aromatase inhibitor or ai for short. they work by lowering your estrogen and tricking the body into thinking it has to make more testosterone, there have been numerous studies showing the effectiveness of this. lots of guys combine an ai with a herbal testbooster for increased effects. the daa/erase combination seems to be popular-if you look in the review section you will find a few guys doing 'logs' on this combination-it seems to be very effective.
11-28-2010, 09:48 PM
11-28-2010, 11:14 PM
That makes sense. The funny thing was that the guy who sold me the Stanz. was using an AI, protein, and that's it. Yet he sold me on $200 worth of crap...but I'll know better next time.
The DAA I have is made by primaForce (plain yellow label with black lettering)
I use Dymatize Protein. Definitely have will get the Erase ASAP.
11-29-2010, 11:50 AM
GET THE ERASE!! TRUST ME IT IS MUCH BETTER THAN ESTROGENEX.......
btw-the guy who sold you that stuff was just doing his job-selling you as much stuff as he could rather you needed it or were ready for it. there are reps on this forum who pimp stuff-but for the most part it is much better stuff than what that guy at the nutrition store will sell you-and much cheaper at nutraplanet.
11-29-2010, 07:44 PM
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11-29-2010, 08:16 PM
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11-29-2010, 08:35 PM
Search bar, use it. It's amazing
If you fall apart in crisis, then there wasn't much to you to start with
11-29-2010, 08:38 PM
11-29-2010, 09:07 PM
To get back ontrack:
Have you tried epistane?
Or what are a few other more mild PH's that an amateur could try?
11-29-2010, 09:10 PM
11-29-2010, 09:45 PM
11-29-2010, 09:57 PM
glad to see you are keeping dosing moderately low.
milk thistle should be ran from start of cycle through pct-and frontload some hawthorne berries.
take fish oil.
up your protein.
take 1 epi dose pre workout.
log this in cycle info section and i am sure guys will help you with any questions you might have.
11-29-2010, 10:20 PM
12-02-2010, 02:14 PM
Basically the idea is to decrease the natural estrogen level so the natural test is relatively higher in comparison, plus the DAA may raise it a little...correct? PH's just increase both then you have to re-balance PCT.
When I'm finished with the Erase, will my est levels spike??
12-02-2010, 02:23 PM
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