After years of experimentation I beleive that I have found a natty stack that actually puts on mass while lowering body fat. For over four weeks I have been stacking Formadrol XT (2 tabs/3 times/day) and Activate XT (2 tabs/ 3 times/day) two of my favorite supps. Thus far I have gained 4 lbs of mass and lost 1/2" off of my waist line and gained 1/2" on each arm. Moreover, I beleive that everything in this stack is healthy. Formadrol XT increases testosterone by lowering estrogen and Activate XT increases. A match made in heaven. I have recently added DHEA. The is more for health reasons but it will also help lower cortisol another health benefit and it may also help lower body fat stores. Health before vanity.