Finally a natty stack that works
- 03-12-2010, 12:10 PM
Finally a natty stack that works
Finally, after years of experimentation I believe that I have found a natty stack that actually packs on solid gains and at the same time has a leaning effect. Although the temptation is great, I have tried to avoid any product that may be suppressive. I don’t have anything against those who want to use PH’s or steroids, I believe its personal decision, but I have chosen the natural route. My logic is that if I can make reasonable gains while enhancing my endocrine system it would be a win, win situation. To that end I began my search. Finally I believe I have found a stack that actually works. Over the years I have tried nearly every natural test booster on the market. Some work reasonably well some not at all. The following is the results of years of trial and error, mostly error.
The first product in the stack is Diesel Test Hardcore by (Chuck) Get Diesel. This product has been a staple in my arsenal for years. Not so much because it increases muscle mass but because it works like a natural Viagra and seems to lower my overall blood pressure. I also have larger loads and more intense orgasms while using this product. Not bad for a natural blend of herbs. I will also say that I do notice some strength increases while taking this product but after all that is basically what it is designed to do. The primary products of note in DTHC are Maca Root and Tribulus. It also contains a host of other natural test boosters including Avena Sativa and Nettle Root, all of which are good and health promoting.
The second product is Primal Male by MAN. I like this product because it was designed by DR. Houser. All of the products he designs are safe and health enhancing. Also because I tried this product several months back and noticed some leaning as well as increased vascularity. I believe PM has a diuretic effect on the body. The primary product of note in PM is Fadogia Agrestis along with a full spectrum of triterpenoids.
The third product in the stack is Testopro by Anabolic Innovations. I like this product because it contains Testofen. I have used Testofen in the past, although a different brand, with positive results.
Other reasons that I chose this combination of products is because each contain some form of estrogen control either I3C or DIM, which I believe to be a critical part of any stack, and because each increases test via a slightly different pathway.
I also take either Ultima with a full serving of GPLC or PreMax prior to each workout to increase the pump and for better recovery. Both work equally well in my opinion. I sometimes use other prewokout supps for variety but these two work best for pump and recovery IMO.
I have just finished my fourth week on the stack. I use a 5 on 2 off protocol for all three products. I nearly gave up after the third week but then in the fourth the magic began. So far I have gained three lbs of lean weight. My vascularity has increased as well as my strength and my muscles look much fuller and rounder. I feel great, lots of energy and motivation and my waist line has decrease by ½”. Moreover, I have two small knots under my right nipple, gyno. I don’t mind these they are a good indicator of my estrogen/progesterone levels. If they get very high these knots become sensitive and let me know things are awry. Since beginning this stack these two knots have virtually disappeared. I can still find them if I search hard enough but for all intent and purposes they are nearly gone, a good indication that the estrogen control in these products is working.
I know this stack won’t work like real gear but that’s fine I just want steady, healthy gains. I plan on running this stack for at least eight weeks or until it fails to product results. I will keep everyone posted of future results.
- 03-12-2010, 01:40 PM
Yah, I have stacked natural herbals for quite some time with some success, your list has 1 product I respond very well to and one I get nothing out of but I have seen different people responding to different things. I don't do very well on Tribulus Terr. I do very well on Testofen.
I haven't tried GPLC but I am sure loving PLCAR.
I have had some small success with Fadogia but I too want to see what happens when I stack it with Testofen.Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
03-12-2010, 02:12 PM
I don't know much about PLCAR but I thought it was generally used for increasing energy. Does it work for increasing pumps as well?
03-12-2010, 02:17 PM
Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
03-13-2010, 01:19 PM
I was totally excited about trying your suggestions. Tried prime and methyl arimatest with no real results. I couldn't find the staple in your stack anywhere. There won't be any until next Friday. But it sounds like a great stack ad I can't wait to try it out. I'm also 21 so I guess I can't expect that much but DTH sounds like an epic staple!!! Thanks!!
03-19-2010, 01:38 PM
I JUST FINISHED MY FIFTH WEEK ON THIS STACK AND IT STILL SEEMS TO BE WORKING. MY STRENGTH IS UP ON ALL LIFTS AND MY ARMS ARE MEASURING 17 1/4" COLD, THATS ABOUT A 1/4" INCREASE IN ARM SIZE. MY WEIGHT HAS REMAINED STABLE BUT I THINK THAT LEAN GAINS ARE COMMING BECAUSE OF STREGTH INCREASES. I FEEL GREAT, ALPHA MALE, LOTS OF ENERGY AND MOTOVATION. I WILL KEEP POSTING AS THE WEEKS GO BY. I HAVE TO GO OUT-OF-TOWN NEXT WEEK SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT MY SCHEDULE IS GOING TO BE. HOPEFULLY THE HOTEL WILL HAVE A DECENT FITNESS CENTER.
07-30-2010, 11:11 AM
07-30-2010, 11:22 AM
i start perform and Testo
I used testo and Primal which is decent, effect died off after week 2 picked up again week 3.5.
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