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    definitely potent, and much improved
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnatural View Post
    definitely potent, and much improved
    i agree 100%. this is one supplement where the new version actually is better-MUCH better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i agree 100%. this is one supplement where the new version actually is better-MUCH better!
    I feel the new versions of RagNOrok, Shred, and Kreaceps are as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTDeuce View Post
    I feel the new versions of RagNOrok, Shred, and Kreaceps are as well
    i never had a problem with the old version of rag-but the new version is at least as good, imo. have maybe 3/4 jug left.
    i will have to give the new shred another look-wasn't overly impressed with the old version.
    never tried kreaceps-but cre02 is very nice.
    myogreens are on my list-i like them!
    zmk is best formula of zma by a long shot-also on my list.
    nitroceps-the samples were very nice, but not a priority at the moment.
    cordygen5-also on the list, very underrated, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i never had a problem with the old version of rag-but the new version is at least as good, imo. have maybe 3/4 jug left.
    i will have to give the new shred another look-wasn't overly impressed with the old version.
    never tried kreaceps-but cre02 is very nice.
    myogreens are on my list-i like them!
    zmk is best formula of zma by a long shot-also on my list.
    nitroceps-the samples were very nice, but not a priority at the moment.
    cordygen5-also on the list, very underrated, imo.
    Cordygen 5 was the 1st supplement I ever used that I REALLY felt on the first dose and kept on feeling everytime after. I go back and forth between Cordygen 5, Cordygen v02 Ultra, and Citruvol Xs and I always come back to the old faithful 5. I'm glad to see you say it's underrated as well.

    With the Nitroceps, if you stack it with Cre-02, you may never use anything else for strength again. I am 100% comfortable saying that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTDeuce View Post
    Cordygen 5 was the 1st supplement I ever used that I REALLY felt on the first dose and kept on feeling everytime after. I go back and forth between Cordygen 5, Cordygen v02 Ultra, and Citruvol Xs and I always come back to the old faithful 5. I'm glad to see you say it's underrated as well.

    With the Nitroceps, if you stack it with Cre-02, you may never use anything else for strength again. I am 100% comfortable saying that.
    yes, cord5 is much better than it gets credit for. and i believe you about the cre02/nitroceps stack. i forgot to say that carnage is very good too. and citruvol is probably best cit mal product on the market.
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    today was an off day so not much to report, other than sleep was restless and short.
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    With a sense of brevity, I'm going to hijack your thread for a second. I've taken Somnidren each of the past two nights. I had the same experience that I did with the sample that I tried. It did not make me overly tired or sleepy quickly at all, does give you a very mellow feeling similar to good Kava that I used many moons ago. First night I awoke with a bad headache, second night was fine . Don't know if Somnidren has anything to do with the headache but wanted to pass that along. Have not noticed an increase in hunger yet. Will dose throughout the weekend to update my experiences. Did experience some pretty vivid dreams last night, and sleep quality overall is better with less tossing and turning. Have taken both doses on an empty stomach. Does this product have any loading effect where using it for an extended period would make the effects more pronounced or can you use it "when needed"? Thanks to Big T for letting me post this on his thread, and continued good luck with this product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    not kidding, the calming effect of somnidren is almost benzo like. but you are real clear and focused, not cloudy or muggy like klonipin. i am really sold on somnidren.
    Never used a benzo - never want to .. but thats a good result.

    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    sleep is all i care about. i average 4 hours of sleep without a GH booster, and i can tell you its draining on the system. i tried the somnidren (old formula) and it was pretty good. weird tinglies on the first two doses though - 30 minutes the first time, which i wasn't too keen on, but a solid product.
    Geee perhaps swap circadium cycles. Anyway sub'd
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    yes, cord5 is much better than it gets credit for. and i believe you about the cre02/nitroceps stack. i forgot to say that carnage is very good too. and citruvol is probably best cit mal product on the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blutarski View Post
    Does this product have any loading effect where using it for an extended period would make the effects more pronounced or can you use it "when needed"?
    some users dont feel the full effects until around night #5....but you should be all good around then if you haven't by then.
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    hey, guys. i have found that if you take somnidren to close to going to bed the tingles will keep you awake: my advice is to take it 45 minutes to an hour before going to bed-that is what works best for me. i get to enjoy that mellow feeling for awhile and by the time i get to bed i am .
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    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockgod View Post
    thanks
    you bet!
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    back on the somnidren, took half a dose along with 2 oep before leaving to play tennis this morning. this worked out fantastic in almost every way-i was starving by the time we were done. played 4 sets of doubles in a little over 2 hours and by the time i got home i headed straight for my protein, had a double-4 scoops of syntha-6, and 30 minutes later can of tuna with 4 boiled eggs and tsp of mayo. believe me, next time i am bringing some extend with me.
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    interesting layout of food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnatural View Post
    interesting layout of food.
    may not of been the best way, but i was so hungry i felt like i was in starvation mode. i have actually gained 2 lbs since starting somnidren but must have lost bf because i look and feel leaner. as a note-i almost guarantee appetite will go up on somnidren.
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    I hate it when I gain muscle and lose fat....lol, glad it's workin brudda
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    lol wutz going on in here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    may not of been the best way, but i was so hungry i felt like i was in starvation mode. i have actually gained 2 lbs since starting somnidren but must have lost bf because i look and feel leaner. as a note-i almost guarantee appetite will go up on somnidren.
    I am losing body fat on a reduction calorie diet and have been having a challenge of getting up in the middle of night or a couple hours after I fall asleep and get up and eat. I think you are right on the increased appetite

    when i am awake it is easy to control the cravings when i am asleep it can be more of a challenge.

    once I get into deep mode of sleep and overcome the need to get up i sleep strait though
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    may not of been the best way, but i was so hungry i felt like i was in starvation mode. i have actually gained 2 lbs since starting somnidren but must have lost bf because i look and feel leaner. as a note-i almost guarantee appetite will go up on somnidren.
    very similar to how i feel from S-GH for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    i always stacked a handful of supplements when i took gaba pre-workout,

    ive been so close to buying somn....in and out of my shopping cart a few times. now they have a new formula i gotta get a bottle my next order.
    Send MST an email asking for some samples. I did not think it was going to be very well on sleep aids but was shocked when I tried the old formula. After trying the samples I ordered the new blend off of NP along with some ZMK. What I liked about it is I did not wake up half out of it as I did with melatonin, you will go into a deep sleep with some vivid dreams (took with ZMK).

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    hey, guys. i have found that if you take somnidren to close to going to bed the tingles will keep you awake: my advice is to take it 45 minutes to an hour before going to bed-that is what works best for me. i get to enjoy that mellow feeling for awhile and by the time i get to bed i am .
    Noticed the same thing when I tried the first sample. Took the second one 45 minutes before bed and worked awesome! Subbing to get some pointers (which I have already got a bunch) for an upcoming cycle which will include some Somnidren-GH / ZMK / MVP365. Will also be throwing in some GHenerate / 1-C on a cycle to keep from getting used to one product. Good lookin log going on so far!
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    svt: you have got to try half a dose under tongue 30 minutes before cardio with a stim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    svt: you have got to try half a dose under tongue 30 minutes before cardio with a stim.
    I am going to be running M-drol / X-tren for 6 weeks and will be using the sleep aids with these as I have heard sleep issues may be present. On my off days I may try a stim if I can handle it or will try it during PCT. I may get balsy enough to do Jack3d / S-Gh sublingual for a hardcore cardio on off days. Do you notice any kind of crash after taking it on cardio days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by svtfocusman View Post
    I am going to be running M-drol / X-tren for 6 weeks and will be using the sleep aids with these as I have heard sleep issues may be present. On my off days I may try a stim if I can handle it or will try it during PCT. I may get balsy enough to do Jack3d / S-Gh sublingual for a hardcore cardio on off days. Do you notice any kind of crash after taking it on cardio days?
    just the opposite, if i take half a dose s-gh with a stim pre cardio i get energized, kinda weird but true.
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    BIG MAN!!! KILLIN IT ON THE LOG!!! detailed as usual and big ups brutha man!!
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    I'm finding doing 1/3 scoops works even better, the powder is too much in half doses under my tongue, just a thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnatural View Post
    I'm finding doing 1/3 scoops works even better, the powder is too much in half doses under my tongue, just a thought...
    I wonder how many 1/4 or 1/2 tsps are in one serving of S-GH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnatural View Post
    I'm finding doing 1/3 scoops works even better, the powder is too much in half doses under my tongue, just a thought...
    i put half a scoop in a tsp and put under tongue 1st time, now i know how much it is and just put around that much in tsp. i am guessing i use less than half a scoop. my jug is going fast!
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    it tends to go quick, it's 20 servings, but not intended for everyday use, but in a cycle of 3on/1off or 5on/2off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnatural View Post
    I'm finding doing 1/3 scoops works even better, the powder is too much in half doses under my tongue, just a thought...
    Ill have to try this. yes in my log I noted a half serving"blasted" me. it was too much to hold under the tounge
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    ya, I'm the same way, so I've bumped it down a little, which makes it for a longer process, but I'd assume it really boosts the efficacy as you are holding the product under your tongue for that much longer by breaking it up like that.
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    put half a scoop under tongue, popped 2 oep and a scoop of rag ultra and went at it. hour and 30 minutes on the treadmill-wow. music was old deep purple, love space truckin and classic santana-gotta find me a black magic woman! finished up with allman bros elisibeth reed and whipping post/one way out.
    felt really great-still do. really great workout-down 14lbs as of today, only 6 more to go-ooohraaaah!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    put half a scoop under tongue, popped 2 oep and a scoop of rag ultra and went at it. hour and 30 minutes on the treadmill-wow. music was old deep purple, love space truckin and classic santana-gotta find me a black magic woman! finished up with allman bros elisibeth reed and whipping post/one way out.
    felt really great-still do. really great workout-down 14lbs as of today, only 6 more to go-ooohraaaah!!!
    Congrats on the body fat loss
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    Congrats on the body fat loss
    thanks. it has made a huge difference.
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    Great music and congrats on the weight loss!!
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    WOOO HOOO!!!! Big t on the fat loss and can't forget some led zepplin in there :0) or how about some jefferson airlpane?? wooo hooo!!! Gratz brutha man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    WOOO HOOO!!!! Big t on the fat loss and can't forget some led zepplin in there :0) or how about some jefferson airlpane?? wooo hooo!!! Gratz brutha man!
    hahaha, what you know about j-airplane-you are to young to dig that, lol. don't worry big led zep fan, and grace slick was a hottie back in the day-chick could sing a tune too. hey-check out allman bros live at fillmore-i think you will like it. a little rythm and blues, jazz, and southern rock all in one.
    todays music was george benson, carlos santana, eric clapton and richie sambora. george benson is a very underrated guitarist, imo.
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    thanks. it has made a huge difference.
    bet you're tracking down a lot more balls on sundays huh?
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