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    Ok folks, I am going to do a somewhat informal log here on Vyotech Anabolic 7 and Muscletech Aplodan. I acquired 2 bottles of Anabolic 7 for 40 bucks and three of Aplodan for 35 bucks.

    Skeptical of both companies but figured I would give them a shot for so cheap. The vyotech stuff is 2 months worth at bottle dosages and the Aplo is just short of 3 with the initial loading dose.

    I am starting a training routine whereby I lift on mondays, upper body only, pure Isometric static training with heavy weights for sets of 30 second duration. Got about 40 some odd sets that work out to around 20 plus minutes of exertion time ( planche holds will be untimed, just done to failure).

    Tuesday will be biking with an emphasis on cyclocross style training

    Wednesday is pool day with lots of Medley type sprint work everything 200 yards or less.

    Fridays sprints and 1/4 mile speed work at the track.

    I will update this log with regard to the usual parameters for improvement.

    More to follow.

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    Looking forward to tonights workout, further research tells me that the aplodan mechanism of action is increased muscle cell retention of creatine so I should supplement with some creatine, using a Bang! for today but might pickup a discounted MRI Anabolic Switch for later daily use.

    So far 5 days into the Vyotech stuff I believe I am experiencing mild libido boost and possibly some increased aggression , can't really say till tonights gym results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emiliozapata View Post
    Looking forward to tonights workout, further research tells me that the aplodan mechanism of action is increased muscle cell retention of creatine so I should supplement with some creatine, using a Bang! for today but might pickup a discounted MRI Anabolic Switch for later daily use.

    So far 5 days into the Vyotech stuff I believe I am experiencing mild libido boost and possibly some increased aggression , can't really say till tonights gym results.
    hmmmm i've never heard of this stuff i'm interested in whats going down! hahah what is the dosgage protocol??
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    dosage on the aplodan is a loading phase for a week followed by the maintenance of 2 pills x 2 doses, not sure on milligram amounts for the creatinol-o-phosphate or the ALA since it is a prop blend, but total weight is 1010mg, the Anabolic 7, which is mostly Fenugreek extract is 3 pills per day, I am taking them TID unlike bottle direction of a single 3 pill dose. Temper is getting short. Could be unrelated but pretty sure it is from the elevated test cause it is exactly how i start to feel on my mushroom protocols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emiliozapata View Post
    dosage on the aplodan is a loading phase for a week followed by the maintenance of 2 pills x 2 doses, not sure on milligram amounts for the creatinol-o-phosphate or the ALA since it is a prop blend, but total weight is 1010mg, the Anabolic 7, which is mostly Fenugreek extract is 3 pills per day, I am taking them TID unlike bottle direction of a single 3 pill dose. Temper is getting short. Could be unrelated but pretty sure it is from the elevated test cause it is exactly how i start to feel on my mushroom protocols.
    hahah well let that temper flare in the gym haha. . . hit it hard and you seem to know your Shi. . . soo will be fun to follow along and see what happens. . . who knows could be the next best thing since sliced bread hahah
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    today marks the end of my "loading phase" with the aplodan and a tad over a week on the anabolic 7, monday's weight workout was so-so, not what i had hoped for but wednesday's swim was great, vastly improved since the last pool workout. still a bit on edge but actually starting to mellow a bit , composition is unchanged at this point.
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    stayed with the loading phase and will through tomorrow since I have a cyclocross race, had a great sprint workout friday evening, Aplodan figures to be a good endurance sup more than anything else, did pick up some Creatine Plus from GNC for 5 bucks to stack in with the aplodan, can't wait to see hoe i race tomorrow.
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    how are things with this particular stack?? hmmm still interested hahah just been away for a bit?? LIBIDO CHECK!!Name:  08.jpg
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    cap the above somehow and you'd have a winning product

    strength is up about three reps on lifts, so far so good
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    what are oth of these products advertised as? Like what are the marketed for? What do the companies claim they will do for you? It is really cheap.. hope all goes good.. im in for the ride!!
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    Picked up a new addition to the stack today, got a 60 day supply bottle of 17 HD ,again by Vyotech, for 11 and change, originally 129.99. Started adding it in today at bottle dose of 1 pill per day.
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    what the hell is aplodan?

    Subbed, cause I never seen anyone with even a minor amount of credit logging MT products.
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    OK, found this:

    The key compounds in Aplodan™ are 2-(carbamimidoyl-methyl-amino)ethoxyphosphonic acid and 1,2-dithiolane-3-pentanoic acid.

    OTHER INGREDIENTS: MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, DICALCIUM PHOSPHATE ANHYDROUS, STEARIC ACID, COATING (HYDROXYPROPYL METHYLCELLULOSE, POLYDEXTROSE, TITANIUM DIOXIDE, TALC, MALTODEXTRIN, FD&C BLUE NO. 2, MEDIUM CHAIN TRIGLYCERIDES, FD&C YELLOW NO. 6, FD&C RED NO. 40, SODIUM CARBOXYMETHYLCELLULOSE, DEXTROSE MONOHYDRATE [MAY CONTAIN CORN AND WHEAT], MICA, SOY LECITHIN), CROSCARMELLOSE SODIUM, SILICON DIOXIDE, MAGNESIUM STEARATE, SUCRALOSE.

    so, fillers are sugars, sweeters and a little fat. . this must be the rapid-release technology
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    aplodan actives are creatinol-o-phosphate and ALA, the pills do have quite a sweet taste that I could do without. will workout with weights today in a bit of a deviation from my plan since i am going to go tuesday to lift with a friend and try to establish a one rep max on bench press, since i never bench press train these days I feel it will be a good tool to test out any performance increases from the supps and not from training.
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    great workout intensity, took a 17 hd 1/2 hour before lifting a shoulder press/pullups/curls hiit routine
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    interesting log for AM, curious about the 17 hd as I have a bottle
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    I think the thing with alot of these supps is that unrealistic expectations are made of them since they are almost always sold as a 1 month supply and people always expect too much out of them in that short of a timeframe. Conversely running them long enough to see concrete benefit is often cost prohibitive and begins to bring about a cost to benefits scenario. I figure this run will be long enough to give these products a chance.
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    how much time do you think youll get outa this?

    you got 3 bottles of each correct?

    hoping you see some decent strength gains.. considering on how cheap you got it for it wouldnt have been a bad run
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    is 17hd a suppressive product i have heard of it just never really knew what it was
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloc View Post
    is 17hd a suppressive product i have heard of it just never really knew what it was
    i have wondered the same thing myself, i believe it has dhea in but i'm not sure...
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    as far as the bottle list goes i don't believe mine has any dhea, the 17 halo lists herbs and a chemical name which is caffeine, my belief is that this should not suppress.

    bodyweight today 198, 1 rep max flat bench 275, kinda weak I know but regardless it gives me a baseline for strength gains to go by. I will retest in a month without doing any benching whatsoever which eliminates training effect. again the 17 HD delivers as a preworkout alpha feeling, I believe it is slightly more or different than just the caffeine, it is an angrier more powerful feeling. Did not translate to much in the way of a max bench but subsequent workout was intense.
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    Suprisingly, I've heard good things about 17hd as a preworkout supp. I say surprisingly because it's profile is less than impressive... hey who cares, if it works, go with it

    My friend who used it liked it about 45min to an hour preworkout. I've never ran it myself, just sharing his feedback.
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    I have found 1 hour to be the ideal time frame too, the bottle says 1/2 hour but it kicks in about an hour after dosing it.
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    ya 17hd is pretty much glorified caffiene, but there's people that love it and people that think it's worthless considering what it was marketed as...

    to each their own
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    had a german volume training type workout today, overhead squats, 10 x 10 with 70lbs, obviously not an impressive amount of weight but effective. Quads are already torched, tomorrow should be fun.

    Physically, I feel larger, shirts are tighter than before I started, my weight is consistently 3-4 lbs higher than when I started, I hope to get some photos up soon.
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    had a massive back workout yesterday in which reps and weights went up, something is definitely starting to work, finished up 1 bottle each of anabolic 7 and aplodan. Tommorow a bench day, gonna try a 1 RM just prior to gauge any strength gains, weight is up, minimalist weight at 202, some of this i attribute to deer meat and eggs cause pants are tighter in waist
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    lifted today for bench, followed a GVT protocol in which I was to have used 165 for a ten set/ten rep scheme, this was based on my prior tested 1RM of 275 , by set 6 I realized I was not getting the work I needed and switched to 185. This was more appropriate and tested me over the last 4 sets. Think I need to reassess my 1 RM, plan to do it next week. Still pleased at this point.
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    GVT is crazy when I implement the rest periods. I try to keep it at 10 deep breathes between sets.
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    today was a 10 by 10 set of overhead squats, the preworkout intensity of the hd 17 seems to be diminishing, most likely due to my body acclimatizing to the sympathomimetics in it, probably not something to take daily but just in case the other ingredients have any real ergogenic benefits I am dosing it QD regardless if I work out that day or not. Tomorrow is another back/lat day, gonna see if my numbers go up again. Still seem larger and still definitely heavier. Did get some pics taken, will try to upload soon.
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    glorified caffeine or not, i got a nice boost from 17-hd. and i am a stim kinda guy, lol.
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    one shot of the back cold but flexed, trying to show the christmas tree
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    more performance improvements to note, i was inches away from completing a tenth rep of pullups with a 70 lb dumbell, expect to get at least 11 next week, followed the first set with an attempt at a 10x2 with a 90lb dumbell but aint quite there yet, not too far off but i say 2-3 weeks and i'll be there. thus far still happy! however, had i paid full price for this stuff i would be miffed, though the gains are there they aint full price worthy. at this point i would say give these a shot only if you find em on extreme markdown somewhere. unless something really takes off for these next 3-4 weeks this will remain my verdict.
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    Nice job with the pullups. No wonder your back is so defined.

    also, I feel the same way about a lot of supps. They're worth a try in trades and on sale. But most aren't worth the typical 30-35 bucks in my opinion.
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    update for bench workout, spotter sick so I was unable to attempt another 1RM, however I used for the first time a "smith machine" and benched a 10 set workout with 225 for 5 reps x 5sets, 225 4 reps for 3 set, then 2 sets of 185 to failure not really counting but somewhere in the 8-12 rep range for both, then did a set of 135 to failure whereby i "threw" the bar up explosively.

    These numbers would represent a performance increase, but i am not sure how to translate the numbers to free benching, my guess is the smith allows you to go heavier?
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    Quote Originally Posted by emiliozapata View Post
    update for bench workout, spotter sick so I was unable to attempt another 1RM, however I used for the first time a "smith machine" and benched a 10 set workout with 225 for 5 reps x 5sets, 225 4 reps for 3 set, then 2 sets of 185 to failure not really counting but somewhere in the 8-12 rep range for both, then did a set of 135 to failure whereby i "threw" the bar up explosively.

    These numbers would represent a performance increase, but i am not sure how to translate the numbers to free benching, my guess is the smith allows you to go heavier?
    Ya i find i go heavier on the smith cause its not working the stabalizers much if at all, and if im correct the bar is only 15 but not 100% positive because i dont know which machine you have.

    On another note nice log so far its interesting to see MT products logged and despite the fact that they are grossly overpriced getting them for dirt cheap like you did makes them somewhat decent.
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    I agree with both of you guys... i don't think the smith really translates to standard bench.

    But, it has it's place for a change of pace occasionally. For example, I struggle to feel any tri work with typical close grip bench press. But using the smith for cgbp really fries my tris. It just takes some experimentation just like anything else.
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    obviously i have modified the workout schedule from what i had originally stated, out lately has been the swimming and running and in has been lots of lifting, this is due to my buddy who talked me into trying to pack on some size, benched yesterday with the smith again and was even stronger, tonight i did a 100 pullups with my heavy winter "bunny" boots on, not sure on how many sets it took me as i just kept going in 3-4s as i got near the end, then i did some heavy hammer curls, i gotta say despite my previous statements, if i keep getting stronger every workout i will be impressed since i really cant ask for much more from a completely natural regimen, minimalist weight is 205 as of today
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    Still subbed and following! I like the way you handle things. Good log
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    Crazy work schedule for the holidays is messing me up a bit but I benched on tuesday and was yet again stronger than my last workout, 1RM was up 5 lbs and endurance reps with 225 were much improved I was able to complete a 5x5 even going to 9 reps on the first set, then finished out with instinctive training with various weights and reps, I simply felt much stronger with 225 and this was freeweight. Weight is at 206, work shirts are getting tighter, waist is too though, having a tough time staying the course here and not jumping into some ripping stuff.
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    Hey big back emilio, do you do a lot of weighted pullups? It's taken me a long time, but I'm finally able to add a little weight to the belts. It seems to be making a difference to me at this point.
  

  
 

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