Primordial Performance's TRS PCT only log

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  1. Primordial Performance's TRS PCT only log


    So basically since I am jobless and living at home with a lot of free time on my hands I thought I would log PPs Testosterone Recovery Stack as part of my PCT. This is my first log and first OTC PCT. I will only be using the TRS and possibly RPN. I did not see very many logs for strickly this PCT (at least not for the first ten pages I searched), so I figured I would go for it. This is not sponsored.

    Please follow along......

    PERSONAL INFO:::::::::::::::::::::::::
    Height: 6'
    Weight 238lbs
    Age: 25
    Cycle History: Mdrol, Epi, Pplex, Hdrol & xTren

    CYCLE INFO:::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::

    Hdrol 50/50/75/100/100
    xTren 0/60/60/90/120/120

    ***I went up to 120 b/c I felt nothing. No sides and no real strength gains for whatever reason.
    ***I would also like to preface my log by saying this is my first cycle on a strick near vegetarian diet. All of my other cycle exp have been when I was eating tons and tons of meat. I would assume that b/c of this I did not get as explosive of gains as I would have accepted.

    ***I will start this log on the last day of my cycle. I have four more days left and will lay out my feelings as the weeks progress using just the TRS.

    ***I will record weight gain or strength gain using only the big lifts for each day I work out. And will outline those in my next post.

    CYCLE ISSUES::::::::::::::::::::::
    Honestly, I really felt like this was a mild cycle from those I have done in the past. Aggression not as much there, nor feelings of euphoria. I started the cycle weighing 227 and ended at 238, but strenght wasn't as noticable. I dropped an inch and a half of my waiste line. I still have a slight gut and the damn love handles never seen to go away, but I can get my veins to pop in my chest, shoulders, traps and arms pretty easily. Loving that aspect.
    My blood pressure did not change throught out the cycle. It stayed within a very healthy range. My sex drive really only seemed effected at the begining of this week (I still wake up with morning wood). I did start getting back pumps this week. So much so I couldn't do yard work. How do you explain that to your mom!! haha.

    I dont want to take anything away from this cycle. Aesthetically it was great, just not the strenght gains I am used too, I am willing to bet it is my change in diet.


  2. End of Cycle Lifts::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::

    *** I combined the routine of Tate's 5/3/1 with some DC and 5x5 philosophies.
    *** I will only record this last set each exercise
    Workout One

    Seated Military DB Press- 100x6
    Chin ups- 50reps total
    Dips BW- (+55lbs)x12
    Standing BB Press- 175x6

    Work out 2

    Squats-255x25
    ***more of a DC routine...my back just never likes the squat motion

    Work out 3
    Bench Press 305x6
    Bar Bell Row 275x5
    Incline DB Press 115x7
    Hammer Strength Row 10platesx7

    Work out 4
    Deadlift (5x5) 405

    ***I have two more workouts on my last four days if anything changes i will record those and then I will start my PCT

    ***I will be using the protocol outlines on each of the containers.


    Here was my mix for today: Advent, Misery Signals, Black My Heart
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  3. I'm in to follow along! Let me know if you have any questions about our TRS along the way.

    Good luck!

    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Legendary


  4. Also, if it makes a difference here is what my diet looks like. First Three are consumed everyday.

    Breakfast: 2 scoops whey and 2 cups oats with fruit (strawberry or blueberry) and walnuts.

    Sip on Whey throughout day

    Preworkout Meal: 2 cans tuna, 1/2 cup rice and 1/2 black beans

    ***I usually change up the rest of my meals, but most will always consist of rice or quina, black beans, lots of soy beans, edemame, oats, sweet potato, fruit, green beans or brocoli and granola. I mostly eat organic aside from loads of tuna and chicken.
    I do not consume red meat or diary. I refrain from breads and rarely eat chicken anymore. I have started to eat Muscle Builders protein bars a lot. Always on sale at Kroger and they have come out with a new line of completly organic.

  5. Thanks trauma...I will...I do have nolva on hand, but really want to try this by itself.
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  6. subbed - i've always had the most positive experience with PP's products but never had the balls to go with a SERM, even for a recent 6 week 1-t tren cycle. Sorry to hear your strength gains weren't what you hoped for chuebner. Can I ask why you were switching your diet? Did you become a vegetarian recently for moral reasons or was there another reason?

    Good luck with the PCT!

  7. Yea I'm using it right now. Only thing so far that I didn't like was the first 2 days I took off from Sustain (5on/2off protocol). I know they recommend this to conserve applications and because it doesn't have a negative effect on the products efficacy but... yea I still miss applying it! :/

    Side note: Vegetarian on cycle huh? Seems like a waste of improved protein synthesis.

  8. Hey guys thanks for following along. I have always used a novla/clomid PCT, but this time around thought why not? I feel like I know my body well enough and never felt shutdown like I did with Mdrol. haha and yes it does seem weird...but I still ate tons of tuna and the occasional chicken breast and still managed to hit around 250-300g of protein. My girlfriend decided it was something she wanted to do, initially to loose weight. But then really fell in love with the life style. I saw how it benefited her and he just seemed all around healthier. So I have adopted it almost. Its soooo tough to give up such good sources of protein like eggs, chicken and tuna...so I just kept tuna and some chicken. I can honestly say I feel soo much better. The only bad thing is I crap a whole lot. By 2pm I may have crapped 3 times.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by chuebner View Post
    Hey guys thanks for following along. I have always used a novla/clomid PCT, but this time around thought why not? I feel like I know my body well enough and never felt shutdown like I did with Mdrol. haha and yes it does seem weird...but I still ate tons of tuna and the occasional chicken breast and still managed to hit around 250-300g of protein. My girlfriend decided it was something she wanted to do, initially to loose weight. But then really fell in love with the life style. I saw how it benefited her and he just seemed all around healthier. So I have adopted it almost. Its soooo tough to give up such good sources of protein like eggs, chicken and tuna...so I just kept tuna and some chicken. I can honestly say I feel soo much better. The only bad thing is I crap a whole lot. By 2pm I may have crapped 3 times.
    So you did it for a chick.... okay - i've done stupider things. Haha

  10. subbed

  11. hahaha...aww come one! She did not force me into, its something I have been toying with...when she did it, I figured why the hell not.

    Welcome knowbull

  12. Quote Originally Posted by an1mal View Post
    before & after blood work w/ PP TRS PCT ?







    i did this stack combined w\toremifene\horny goat weed & honestly it was the only pct where i wasnt all mangled.

    the sustain alpha felt amazing, i applied the stuff in the morning, arms, legs, testes & i felt great all day. Libido was actually very overwhelming.
    I would love to provide that..however upon graduation I am jobless and insuranceless...Unless someone in higher education wants to hire me I cannot....hmmm you used horny goat weed??

  13. Oh and I decided to start PCT today...I reallly do not see any benefit in going the last couple of days. I am also adding in Neovar b/c I am really going to up my carbs and love using Neovar when doing so.

  14. Wow..well the I have something to look forward too..
    As far as blood work goes...I have kept up with my blood work b4. I just will not be able to with this one...All have gone well in the past, so I would assume as far as blood work is concern I would be okay. This did not feel as harsh as my Mdrol cycle. But I do feel that I can honestly give a good opinion on bouncing back too. But if it makes a PCT log null and void...might just not log it....


    In other news Marylin Manson has issued a statement via myspace...anyone one who has the guts to talk bad about him in the media he will personally visit his/her household and see how much they treasure free speech. If he isnt the p**** i know he is, i know what I want for Christmas

  15. while the log won't be AS imformative without blood work, it can help people to get a feel for what to expect from the products, continue the log if you dont mind

  16. Yeah I feel like that is what I could at least offer and how it compares to other PCTs I have done.

  17. found your log bro. subbed good luck
    Athletic Xtreme Team REP
    http://www.AthleticX.net/
    AXHOLE BY NATURE

  18. Quote Originally Posted by chuebner View Post
    hahaha...aww come one! She did not force me into, its something I have been toying with...when she did it, I figured why the hell not.

    Welcome knowbull
    I'm just messing with you bro. Did you lean out at all? I know alot of vegetarians and they all seem pretty low bodyfat (except for the ones who only eat carbs, no veggies or tofu).

  19. Quote Originally Posted by CrazyChemist View Post
    I'm just messing with you bro. Did you lean out at all? I know alot of vegetarians and they all seem pretty low bodyfat (except for the ones who only eat carbs, no veggies or tofu).
    hahah..i mean so what if my new favorite dates are going local fresh markets! I did lean out some and got a couple of comments from friends. Honestly, I still feel like I can get quality protein sources. I did a lot of research and through foods like blackbeans, soybeans, and quina (sp?) I can still hit a solid daily protein.

  20. DAY ONE::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::
    Today I started PCT.

    I applied my first 5 pumps today. I have never useds transdermals, so I was suprised how much liquid I got in 5 pumps. I applied to chest, sides, thighs...still a little unsure about the testicles haha.

    Smell: There is def a smell that goes a long with this stuff. At first I thought it smelled like sausage, but then it smelled a tad like cinnamon. Either way it wasn't too bad.

    Application: Very easy to apply, kind of like moisturizer.

    I will note that the bottle is pretty cool looking. It just seems weird to have a bottle of cream and not pills or caps. I am looking forward to seeing how this goes.

    I also threw in Neovar. I took its with around 70g of carbs in the morning and then post workout with around 50gs.

    Side note: This may affect my ability to keep what strength gains I felt I made. I have reciently graduated and cannot find employment. If I stay were I currently live things should be fine I can go to Gold Gyms (not a huge fan, but they have a squat rack). If I movewho knows what gyms I might have to use. Condo and apt gyms aren't know for squat racks.

    ***anyone else having trouble finding jobs??? Any advice... secrets?? There is no way I can just work at Barnes and Noble and pay off student loans and rent.
    Last edited by chuebner; 07-28-2009 at 08:50 AM. Reason: typos

  21. Quote Originally Posted by chuebner View Post
    hahah..i mean so what if my new favorite dates are going local fresh markets! I did lean out some and got a couple of comments from friends. Honestly, I still feel like I can get quality protein sources. I did a lot of research and through foods like blackbeans, soybeans, and quina (sp?) I can still hit a solid daily protein.
    Are protein shakes considered vegetarian friendly? I know most of them contain gelatin, which is animal derived. Did you use shakes? Soy? Whey?



    Quote Originally Posted by chuebner View Post
    DAY ONE::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::
    Today I started PCT.

    I applied my first 5 pumps today. I have never useds transdermals, so I was suprised how much liquid I got in 5 pumps. I applied to chest, sides, thighs...still a little unsure about the testicles haha.

    Smell: There is def a smell that goes a long with this stuff. At first I thought it smelled like sausage, but then it smelled a tad like cinnamon. Either way it wasn't too bad.

    Application: Very easy to apply, kind of like moisturizer.

    I will note that the bottle is pretty cool looking. It just seems weird to have a bottle of cream and not pills or caps. I am looking forward to seeing how this goes.

    I also threw in Neovar. I took its with around 70g of carbs in the morning and then post workout with around 50gs.

    Side note: This may affect my ability to keep what strength gains I felt I made. I have reciently graduated and cannot find employment. If I stay were I currently live things should be fine I can go to Gold Gyms (not a huge fan, but they have a squat rack). If I movewho knows what gyms I might have to use. Condo and apt gyms aren't know for squat racks.

    ***anyone else having trouble finding jobs??? Any advice... secrets?? There is no way I can just work at Barnes and Noble and pay off student loans and rent.
    The transdermals from PP are great in my experience. What is your education? work background? where do you live?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by CrazyChemist View Post
    Are protein shakes considered vegetarian friendly? I know most of them contain gelatin, which is animal derived. Did you use shakes? Soy? Whey?





    The transdermals from PP are great in my experience. What is your education? work background? where do you live?
    I just finished my Master's in Higher Education. And live in South Carolina. Which in these times was not very smart. We in South Carolina enjoy being very backwards when it comes to just about everything. So when we have budget cuts, we cut education and jail funding. Never mind the amount of research that says otherwise.

  23. DAY TWO::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::

    While I do not think I will update everyday, I just wanted to point out a couple of things. My strenght has not deminished so far. There seems to be this threshold that my strength returns to after a cycle. But so far not....but it still couuld be to early.

    And as far as the smell, its def sausage. I think i put more time into smelling this time that actually applying.

    Taste-wise Toco-8 and Endoamp are fine. I have some orange cream protein powder and they complement it very well. I thought they might taste horrible, but this seem quite tasteless.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by chuebner View Post
    DAY TWO::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::

    While I do not think I will update everyday, I just wanted to point out a couple of things. My strenght has not deminished so far. There seems to be this threshold that my strength returns to after a cycle. But so far not....but it still couuld be to early.

    And as far as the smell, its def sausage. I think i put more time into smelling this time that actually applying.

    Taste-wise Toco-8 and Endoamp are fine. I have some orange cream protein powder and they complement it very well. [/B]I thought they might taste horrible, but this seem quite tasteless.[/B]
    yeah i think toco-8 and endoamp have kind of butter taste not bad at all.
    Athletic Xtreme Team REP
    http://www.AthleticX.net/
    AXHOLE BY NATURE

  25. I mix toco-8 and endo amp with cottage cheese in the AM usually. Cinnamon and dash of vanilla extract and the cottage cheese taste awesome. The toco-8 and endo amp actually add to the taste IMO. Sustain Alpha has always kept my gains. I'm actually thinking of using it year-round when off cycle.

    As far as the masters in higher-education.... are you involved in the linkedin network? (http://www.linkedin.com/) This may help you get out there. Monster.com? It is all about who you know.
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