Tnubs Dermacrine Log
- 07-01-2009, 08:50 PM
Tnubs Dermacrine Log
I've been really eager to try something new lately and was waiting on the new DTP, but as its taking longer and im a very impatient person, I was debating what to try. Obviously i wanted to stick to the test booster idea but i wanted something out of the ordinary. PP seems to be a very legit company and after i tried napalm and penetrate with formestane, i kinda like the idea of transdermals so i decided to go with Dermacrine. This will be an unsponsored, unbiased log to see how this product performs. After this im gonna log out DTP or DTH, so stick with me.
Background: Ive always enjoyed lifting but beginning of my freshman year of college (im an upcoming junior) I kicked it to the next level. I joined the Georgia State Powerlifting team, and got really interested in powerlifting at that point, although we never competed. I worked out on my own after that point because I didnt lift on campus anymore and it was too difficult. I still want to be big, but powerlifting is where my heart is... actually, the only lift i enjoy is deadlifting. Bodyweight is currently on the border at about 189. At their peaks here are some numbers i've gotten to:
Deads: 505 (with straps, no belt)
Goals: get back to that strength level, although I havnt gone heavy in a while and havnt even done flat bench in over a month :-/ im eager to see how Dermacrine helps me accomplish this. I would also like to get a little more muscle size and lower bodyfat. Ill prolly go check my bf tomorrow. I took my first application today when I left nutraplanet right after 4pm at four squirts.
To a rep: When do u recommend dosing it? in the morning or at night? Ideally, id like to take it at night so i dont sweat and i dont have to put cloths on over it for a while, but im a bit worried about some form of insomnia. Or maybe break up the dose?
Initial response: 4 squirts is A LOT of volume of lotion. I was able to cover pretty much my whole upper body. All my arms, chest, stomach, shoulders, part of my lower back. It would prolly cover all my back too if I was able to reach. It wasnt oily at all, nice smell as well. My penetrate and formestane made me feel greasy, this wasn't and is pleasant to apply so props for that.
Lifting tomorrow, I wont post my diet because its very unpredictable, but i will post my workout and weight in the morning because I feel will be more important in this log.
Btw, if anyone wants the fat burner comparison to crack... lipodrene is no joke
Edit: I have a youtube channel... youtube.com/tnubs, I may put up some vids along the way
- 07-01-2009, 09:50 PM
nice start bro.... ready to see you get back to top form... only have heard good things about Dermacrine
- 07-02-2009, 01:15 AM
I'm not a rep but I believe Dermacrine should be applied in the morning otherwise there could be sleep issues.
07-02-2009, 02:05 AM
have u tried dermacrine? im wondering when it starts to kick in, or how noticable the feeling is.
07-02-2009, 02:44 AM
I haven't tried it but will be in Aug or Sep. The official write up mentions:
Within 2-3 weeks users start to notice -
Enhanced strength during training
Increased stamina in the gym & bedroom
Faster recovery time
Aggressive increase in appetite
Better sleep quality
Improvements in generally well-being
So it may take a couple of weeks to kick-in.
07-02-2009, 01:21 PM
I have used it. For me 4 weeks was a little short, next time I will run it for 6-8weeks. It takes a couple weeks for it to really kick in. I would use it first thing in the morning, this way it has a long dwell time on your skin.
07-02-2009, 04:09 PM
Just took the second dose now.
Morning weight was 190.4
Here is todays workout:
135x15 (was superset with the 300x1 squat)
DC style quad stretching
I like to keep volume low on all my lifting days because I respond much better to this style and i've noticed i grow in both size and strength better this way. Im also able to recover really quick which is always a good thing. Could have gone a little heavier on both but I felt this wasnt too bad as my first day back going heavy. Its kinda depressing, i used to be able to do 305x5 on squats without much trouble, and now I could probably only get one. Tomorrow will be bench day, and then im going to do rack pulls on saturday since i got 405x5 on deads 2 days ago.
07-03-2009, 04:41 PM
Did bench today. I think it may be working a little bit, maybe im just an angry person in general. I have a membership to worlds gym so I can go to any of them I want... the one I usually go to is nice, but today i decided to switch it up for the other one with a pool... I got on the bench and it all went downhill from there. Lets just say nothing i tried felt right: the bench didnt feel right on my back, the bar had lines where im not used to them, couldnt get the right feel for any of my lifts and the dumbells were terribly old and unstable so I couldnt use them. But heres the workout:
Flat Bench Press:
225x1 (no spotter, didnt wana risk going heavier but i will nxt time)
255x1 (max'd out machine)
Alot more volume than im used to but since I wasnt able to totally max out on the bench I wanted to make sure I got to go heavy on the machine. Next bench workout will be flat bench to single, shoulder press for one set, and dips for a set. I think that hits pretty much every working part on the bench well enough. Maybe one set of flies or something to hit chest from a stretched angle? Any advice? Just for a comparison, i used to be able to get up 225x5 on bench
07-04-2009, 02:24 AM
Yeah, a lot of volume there with 15 sets (incl dips) on the bench alone. The machine bench is probably hitting exactly the same area as the flat bench and after the Inc press your chest should be pretty much dead so could substitute flyes here.
07-04-2009, 10:26 AM
07-04-2009, 01:31 PM
I learned two things today. First, rack pulls arnt my thing and two, theres no way around it... I can only deadlift once a week.
495x0 (too heavy, even with wraps)
405x3 (with wraps)
My anger level is definetly up, i think dermacrine kicked in quick on me. I missed 10 plates on rack pulls, even tho 405 felt like a feather. This made me pretty pissed, i must say. Deads, i worked up to 405 for a single then tried 455 and it was too much even with wraps, so i took a long break then went back for 405x3 with slow negatives with wraps. I realized today how small i look compared to other guys in the gym. Kinda depressing. Plus i guess my nervous system was still recovering from deads the other day, i can usually pull 405x5 without killing myself, it just felt super heavy today. I was also shaking after deads last time. Warmed up with two sets then went heavy and had to stop cuz it drained me completely.
P.s. im using dermacrine after my workouts because i have to shower after anyways, and i want it to be on as long as possible. So im just putting it on now, but this way it can stay on till the next morning.
07-04-2009, 05:09 PM
Nice job with this log, bud! You are correct in trying to keep the Dermacrine on your skin as long as possible between showers. This allows for conversions to the target hormones to be more complete and efficient.
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07-05-2009, 02:04 AM
I know its supposed to take a few weeks to kick in, but have people been getting angry early on? This is getting intense.
07-05-2009, 02:43 PM
Libido up as of like last night
Kinda wore out from the past 3 days, did some swimming/hot tub today.
Tomorrow will be squats again along with another weigh in.
Edit: FWIW, bodyweight now is 189 but ive eaten. I was also sweating a lot in the hot tub, either water weight or i lost a bit of fat?
07-05-2009, 10:59 PM
I need a better powerlifting routine to go through during this cycle. If anyone has any good ideas let me know. Ill probably do a 5x5 style routine or something. or Bills Starrs at the 3x3 level for fewer reps.
07-06-2009, 03:01 PM
Morning weight: 190.8
I was waiting on the bench to open up so i did a lil dumbell work
185x5 for 5 sets
185x5 for 5 sets
250x5 for 3 sets (got really tired real quick)
Todays workout went well, rows were easier than bench (as always). I did barbell rows parallel with the floor no support. On the bench i mixed my grips up a little to play with, its easier for me to grab closer to where most people would consider a close grip bench. On squats from the first rep at 250 my right hip was messin with me a little and kinda hurt but i got a closer stance on my last set and it was fine. I like to get really wide and go really deep but i guess its better to close it up a bit so i dont mess anything up.
any ideas whether i should stick to more volume like im doing now and go up 5 lbs a workout as long as i can or just do one working set and make the other 4 sets more like warm up sets to ramp to a top weight?
07-07-2009, 05:08 PM
Just did some arm work today and went in the hot tub at the gym.
Thinking about bumping up to 5 pumps tomorrow for the rest of the bottle.
07-08-2009, 08:44 PM
Standing Military press: 5 sets of 5 with 115
Deadlift: top set of 5 reps with 410
Pulldowns: 5 sets of 5 with 160
Military press was harder than it should've been. 115 isnt that heavy but standing it is heavy compared to seated. I remember i started out doing 135x5x5 back in the day on seated at school and it felt nice. Maybe ill go back to seated to do more weight. I wonder why that is. Pulldowns were kinda a joke, anything after deadlifts i half ass just because i have no energy at that point. Im gona start doing a set of chin ups every morning and see how many i get to by the end of the cycle. Overall I think dermacrine is working on leaning me out a little bit. I feel a little leaner and im not getting sore. After squats monday, no soreness. Which i was expecting to be pretty sore. Squats always kills me no matter how light i go, duno why. I bumped it up to 5 pumps at night so we will see how this works.
07-09-2009, 12:48 AM
07-09-2009, 08:37 PM
did some one handed snatches and some other olympic lifting today, made it to the 100 lb db's on the one hand snatches, for one rep each hand
my endurance is up at this point and recovery is a lot better. im also a little leaner. plus i didnt get sore from deadlifts yesterday, which i usually get sore from. i feel like i just started a mild PH cycle, hope it gets strong i miss the feeling. i got a bottle of the new DTH from nutra. since the DTP isnt coming out for a long while since the formula got messed up i ordered some clen that should be here in a few days. my goal is to cut down to some super low bf and then run a cycle of 1-t tren with havoc and end up at a very solid 180. im at 188 now, so that shouldnt be too hard.
07-10-2009, 08:38 PM
I love the 5x5 method.
I think i do better with squat with just one set per day as my legs run out of steam quick at decent weights, I might do it all three days a week if im dropping the volume. Yesterday on my last set of barbell snatches, when i was doing singles, i got up to right above military press height and tried pressing it and felt a crunch in my shoulders so i let down the weight. Today my shoulder are f***ing killing me. They are a little bit crunchy when i put my other hand on them and feel them move. Definetly not good but i have two days of rest before doing any more lifting so hopefully they heal a bit. It didnt really effect my lifting today, just annoying walking around or trying to go about the day.
07-13-2009, 05:35 PM
Didnt do squats today, was sweating my butt off wearing long sleeve and sweats... bad idea in Georgia because its humid as hell and flat out hot. Last night was...rough, which is why i didnt have much steam in the gym. Didnt sleep much and didnt get to eat for like 5 hours after i woke up. It was terrible. First 3 sets of bench were ok then the next two were one rep short so i did a last set of 2 reps to make up. Rows were a breeze. Ill take a video of my rows next time, i have a nice way to set them up so you can do get into position faster and keep your back nearly parallel to the floor. Squats will come tomorrow.
07-14-2009, 07:18 PM
2 week mark
squats: 285x5 and a single at 315
285 felt easier than 275 did last friday... if that says anything lol the single was pretty hard, i guess the set of 5 took a bit more out of me than i thought.
07-15-2009, 12:31 AM
Good strength increases. Any weight/bodyfat changes after 2 weeks?
07-15-2009, 10:58 AM
Lookin leaner, down to about 187. Goal is to get to about 170 ish, then ill have like no bodyfat at all. Then i can run a cycle and get back to 180 and stabilize there.
I got some clen i was playing with. Took 20mcg for two days in a row. Second day my systolic pressure was at 150. I think the next day on nothing it was at 125 and now today on nothing its at 118/68. This is the lowest my BP has ever been. I just woke up, tho, so that could be the difference. Im also on hawthorn berry, which is why it might be low. I think i usually hover around 125-130. Dont remember the other number.
My question is, is it going to be safe for me to keep running clen or am i going to have a heart attack. 150 is pretty high.
07-15-2009, 11:54 AM
If your blood pressure was that high after a couple of days of clen and then drops down as soon as you stop then I wouldn't use the clen until you have finished the Dermacrine as the two together may be the cause of the increase.
The same happened with me when I used ECA and Epi. Within a week my blood pressure was up to 160/100. A few days after stopping the ECA it was back to about 125/80, which is normal for me. Using either ECA or Epi wasn't a problem for my blood pressure but both together and it shot up so it may be the same with clen and Dermacrine for you.
07-15-2009, 01:06 PM
hmm. good point, but what if my blood pressure is completely normal on just dermacrine?
CELTIC LABS REP
07-15-2009, 06:57 PM
Alright so todays workout:
Weighted Pull-ups: Bw+25x5, Bw+10 for 4 sets of 5
Militarys were fine, pull ups i got done with the first set with 25lbs, and it was too much to just get done with those 5 reps, i couldnt do it for 4 more sets so i cut back to 10lbs. Deads were hard as hell. Didnt eat any carbs before the gym, so i was shaking VERY bad after i did deadlifts. I took 20mcg clen this morning and im changing my diet to a lower carb focus. Im gonna shot for about 300g protein, which is a lot more than im getting now so hopefully it will also help me not lose any muscle mass. Im gona search through the weight loss section of the forums and try to figure out a good diet approach to test out for the next two weeks while im usin clen. Im gona bump to 40mcg tomorrow and see how that treats me.
CELTIC LABS REP
07-16-2009, 12:36 AM
07-17-2009, 02:06 AM
07-17-2009, 10:04 PM
Bench: 200x5, 200x4, 200x4, 200x4, 200x4
Had to leave early cuz i had some transdermal clen that i mixed a little too strong and it became unbearable. Squats tomorrow. The bench is getting a little heavy now. Maybe from living off of tuna and chicken or maybe just because my body doest feel like going much heavier. I got to 205x5 a while back then got stuck, then did a very short 21 day havoc cycle and got to 225x5 and also hit my bench max. If i plateau and cant get the first set of 5 reps on bench ill switch one day a week of bb benching out for db bench. That helped me a lot before.
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07-18-2009, 12:19 AM
07-18-2009, 05:08 PM
When i dont get enough carbs, my recovery sucks. Yesterday i got actually warmed up legs and did one rep of 290, i just didnt complete the set cuz i couldnt focus enough from the burning and i was getting aggrevated.
Today my legs were sore... fml... so...
btw... my typical squat warm-up looks like....
CELTIC LABS REP
07-21-2009, 12:51 AM
Todays workout was both good and bad.
Bench: 205x4 (tried the 5th rep and just couldnt do it)
Row: 205x5 (easy)
Bench, i duno, i rly hate it. Squats... this top set was super intense. Going into it, i had on slippers and no socks so i was debating putting them off till tomorrow since my feel were drenched in sweat cuz my feet sweat bad in the heat, especially when i lift. I decided to go for it anyways. After warming up i went to the top set and got the first three reps out. It was honestly hard as hell. I took a breath and without thinking went down again for a fourth rep i didnt think i was going to be able to get back up. My face was turning bright red toward the middle of the rep and somehow i pushed it up. Got to the top and took two more breaths and for some reason my body just went down again before i was ready and with my last ounce of strength i somehow managed to push out of the hole and re rack the weights. My face had to have been purple, my veins were bulging out of my neck and traps harder than ever before. It was pretty amazing. Im gonna finish out this week with 5x5 then start a new log for Diesel Test Hardcore (Dermacrine is about to run out) with Westside style training so I can split up my workout a little better and focus on what i feel like i need to work on. Also, I have pretty much given up on bench. I have little motivation for it so im throwing it out for military press as my main upper body lift. For chest im going to stick to machine bench for a while just to gain a little size. I feel very little stimulation in my chest from bench during the workout (next day its usually sore) but the machine just rips me apart and the mind muscle connection is VERY strong, unlike bench.
CELTIC LABS REP
07-22-2009, 01:44 AM
I need some serious diet help. I cant get enough protein and i didnt eat for too long and binged bad. Its like 2:30am and i had nothing to eat so i got some extra big double fiber bread, 2 slices of kraft cheese, three hotdogs and salsa. Prolly close to 800 calories but satisfying. I can only eat like one pack of tuna a day (45g protein) and like 2 scoops of protein powder (44g protein). Thats about 90g... and only a third of what i need. I know i could go to an all new level if i could consistently hit 300g/day
Edit: thats not all the protein i get, i get a good bit more in the other foods i eat, they just dont have as high of numbers.
CELTIC LABS REP
07-22-2009, 04:03 PM
Todays workout was good. Didnt feel like doing chinups tho
Standing Military Press:
135x3, 135x2, 135x1
455x1 (no belt, no strap on any)
Standing Military Press: 5 sets of 5 with 125
I duno why but the 135 felt really heavy and i ran out of juice quick. But the 125, which was what i was supposed to work with today was hard enough that i had to give it all i had to complete all 5 sets and get all the reps. Prolly would be easier if i did it before the deads tho I really like the idea of doing an excercise then doing a bigger movement, then coming back to the original excercise.
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07-23-2009, 02:25 AM
07-23-2009, 10:54 AM
LMAO for real.
"theres no need to slam the weights... and i hope your gonna put up that mountain of 45's"
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07-23-2009, 10:51 PM
07-27-2009, 03:04 AM
Friday i went in and did 205x5 on bench, 215x5 on rows and 300x3 on squats
Heres my review on dermacrine. I did recomp a bit, im down to about 187 and leaner. Strength went up just a tad, im sure i could have probably done it myself as i had muscle memory on my side, but im sure it made it just a bit easier. I had this past problem that popped up from taking ATD i had too much prolactin -> slight lactation (fml) it was goin away but seemed to get a lot worse over the time i was on dermacrine, i think because the preg in it, i could be wrong. I got some vitex 3 days ago and magically it went away again just in that time with three caps a day. Sex drive was up a little at first, but also after i went at 5 pumps and then i decided to up it to 6 pumps, after a short while... libido died. Also, the transdermal aspect of this product killed me. At first it was kinda cool but then being covered in lotion was annoying. It didnt seem greasy the first day, but its pretty annoying. Even like 2 hours after i put it on if i dont touch anything, no matter how hard i rub it in, its still wet feeling on my skin and if i touch something, some rubs off. Id prefer a pill version personally, but i know the idea is that this works better through the skin because theres more converting enzymes and whatnot. Kinda wish id run sustain alpha instead, seems like something id enjoy.
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