i just received 2 bottles of this, and will share my experience on it. basically this is the same thing as the once popular e-form. e-form was my favorite supplement, and i hope this is equal to or better. about me-i just finished a cut using a new fatburner/stim that was almost too effective, i lost weight too fast and lostand developed loose skin around the midsection. on this run i will up cals and lift heavier in the hopes of regaining some muscle and tightening up. i am 50 years old 6'1 and weigh 210 as of this morning-last year i was 250. my bf% at 250 was around 17%, i think it is still that high as of now because of to rapid of weight loss. btw-i have never tried , and don't want to get started on comparisons in this thread. i try real hard to be a good guy, so please give me the courtesy of keeping this thread about td .