The One bridged with Dymethazine log
- 03-27-2009, 11:33 PM
lol where did you get that formula haha. But no i used www.thedailyplate.com to find out my stats. I uploaded everything into exel, and used exels program to add up my measurments. So if something is off/wrong it would probably be from the website :/
Anyways, EasyEJL, is the amount of calories, protein, and carbs im taking at the right number for me to see gains when on the PHs, considering I DO NOT see any from this diet for the past several months.
- 03-27-2009, 11:38 PM
M/W/F: upper body
T/Th: lower body
Also, we all know when yo first work out a body part in a long time that the following day they hurt. At my job i stand for 6hrs :/ I do not see this happening with my legs hurting.
- 03-28-2009, 03:18 AM
However, this is what I recommend you do:
Monday - Lower Body/Abs
Tuesday - Upper Body
Thursday - Lower Body/Abs
Friday - Upper Body
You should be focussing on the mulitjoint, compound movements (i.e. powercleans, squat, deadlift, bent over row, pull-ups, bench press, military press, dips, calf raises (only isolation exercise I would recommend), etc.) to get the most out of your sessions (your bicep, triceps, lateral delts, and rear delts get used in those exercises, which is why there is no need for isolation exercises).
Yes, when you train something that you don't normally train or have had a break from, after the first few sessions you WILL feel DOMS. However, you can EASE into the sessions (i.e. with lower body you don't have to go straight into lifting; do a few light warm-ups sets first, and then build up with your weights).
STANDING for however long, regardless of sore legs, should not be an issue. You're NOT moving. It's not like you're spending 10-12+ hours standing/walking/running on TOP of your training! Despite that, your body adapts, and DOMS becomes less or disappears after a while.
03-28-2009, 04:02 AM
03-28-2009, 12:25 PM
03-28-2009, 01:39 PM
Guys he still hasn't told his age which from his pics let me guess he is max 19 or 20 he listen to some advice but at his age like many of us when we were there he has an idea of running ph and he will do so to me you are all wasting your time. Sorry but after seing minimum 5 post about requesting his age and they all got ignore that's what I think.
03-28-2009, 01:57 PM
yeah avoiding the age is a red flag....
But man..Running everything you have....You may be looking to a very bleak future, health wise, test production wise, happiness wise. I wouldnt touch another prohormone or steroids again man. And then you better be praying. Imagine by the time your 25 you cant get a woody, period. And no lil pill will help you. Your depressed 24/7, moody. No energy.
All for the sake of muscle? If you think you turn the ladies on now, you will be turning them off in the future. Or you may just be on TRT for life.
Even if you are 22 maybe, or over 21, not making any gains like you said from some of those cycles had to be because you didnt do something right. I am a "hardgainer" as well....
03-28-2009, 02:17 PM
man, i think it's great your trying to get some help on this situation. I agree with everyone else, that you need to start training your legs and stop basing all your gains on the next hormone your going to run. If you got your diet in check completely and started training those legs I would almost guarantee that you would probably put on 10-15 pounds without any hormones. Perhaps sticking to the basics would be better served as you body sounds like it might need some time to get back to normal. In the end it's your decision, but don't stay away from leg training cause it's hard work.
03-28-2009, 07:26 PM
03-28-2009, 11:43 PM
thank you EasyEJL, but to everyone else, can you stop bothering me about the PHs. Im not really asking about that anymore lol
to Easy, thanx for helping me with my diet.
to Guejsn, thanx for the suggestion for a workout. Im going to give that a try.
But does anyone have suggestions on how I could make my upperbody workout shorter? 3-4 hours in my opinion is TOO LONG in the gym.
03-28-2009, 11:44 PM
damn I spend 45 minutes or so.
Use pyramids and drop sets along with super setting. I only usually do DB incline, DB flat press and flyes for my chest using these tecniques I listed earlier.
Mind And Muscle Representative
03-29-2009, 01:22 PM
03-29-2009, 01:35 PM
try a standard 4 day split for a while, see how it goes. go to http://www.exrx.net/Lists/WorkoutMen...#anchor1682800
and check it out
03-29-2009, 02:15 PM
Ill prob just stick to the whole upper body for one day and whole lower body for another. but to make my workouts shorter for upper, how many ex. do you do per body part?
03-29-2009, 02:19 PM
03-29-2009, 02:21 PM
03-29-2009, 04:09 PM
There's NO reason for ANY session to take longer than 45 minutes. 3-4 hours is excessive and no wonder you don't get gains.
You don't have to do your COMPLETE upper body each time. You could do:
Upper Body 1 - Chest/Back
Upper Body 2 - Shoulders/Arms
Upper Body 1 - Chest/Triceps/Anterior Delts/Lateral Delts
Upper Body 2 - Back/Biceps/Rear Delts/Traps
Upper Body 1 - Full
Upper Body 2 - Full
If you're doing everything, just stick to the compound exercises, because you're going to be working your anterior deltsa nd triceps with compound chest exercises (i.e. bench press) and biceps and rear delts with compound back exercises (i.e. bent over rows).
I actually seriously suggest that you get a personal trainer who knows what they're doing!
03-29-2009, 10:35 PM
03-29-2009, 10:47 PM
03-29-2009, 11:16 PM
03-30-2009, 02:03 AM
You won't gain anything off DC. If you don't train legs and don't care enough about your endocrine system to even research how to obtain a SERM, then I am confident you won't have the motivation to even READ everything about DC training, much less to bring the intensity to each workout that it requires to gain, and I'm pretty sure you would laugh if someone told you what kind of volume DC incorporates, especially if you're spending 3-4 hours in the gym. Get on a NORMAL split.
Mon - chest, tri's
Tues - back, bi's
Thurs - Shoulders, abs
Fri - Legs
I won't touch on the steroid issue, but I would suggest googling "research chemical nolvadex".
03-30-2009, 08:18 AM
Also read b4 posting. I do not do the routine you listed, because as i stated before, it DOES NOT work for me. :/ Also, idk if it is just me, but i cant go a week in the gym working out my chest only once.
03-30-2009, 09:50 AM
03-30-2009, 10:15 AM
lol....you guys can keep telling me how im over training, not getting a good workout, wasting my time, dont know what I am doing, etc. idc about that. What I am asking is how can you help me out? What can you suggest me to do to make my upper body work out shorter?
03-30-2009, 10:29 AM
03-30-2009, 10:30 AM
People have made suggestions to you on how to shorten your workouts. Indianballer just gave u a split a few posts back. If you knew anything about lifting and working out you would know that is wayyyyyy to long to be in the gym. Maybe you should hold off on the designers and get ur lifting down first.
03-30-2009, 11:08 AM
yeah, at the very least it will give you a good idea of a huge variety of exercises you can try, because adaptation happens easily if you keep doing the same thing.
if you primarily train with barbell then switch to dbs for a while, or vice versa
03-30-2009, 12:03 PM
and as i stated before a couple times now, i use to use that routine and didnt really gain anything
i also see the best results from working out my upper body in one day. but now i just remembered what someone previously said (idr who) but they mentioned soemthing that working out my back would train my bis and chest work out tri, so ill prob blend them in for a shorter workout.
As for my lower body days that wont be hard, since we all know lower doesnt take as long as upper
but thank you to everyone for your advice and help
04-01-2009, 04:19 PM
man. honestly. go for whatever. its your body, and your here for advice about running the compound, not pussing out; you have obviously made up your mind, and really, i dont think anyone is going to change your mind- it wouldnt change mine. i ran dymethazine for 3 weeks, even threw away a weeks worth, and i got a 1/2 inch on my arms..reppin out 100s on db press 8 reps, up from 90s, and none of that strength or my weight has gone down since. plus im only taking restore pct..and as a matter of fact my strength is still going up (from 225x3 to 225x4 in a week). i was 196 and now im 212-i was 200 flat but i got sick a week b4 i ran the compound, but since i have kept all my gains i would say its a solid prohormone. what if you ran the one for two weeks (since the avg gains are like 12 pounds in 2 weeks!!) while running dymethazine the whole 4 weeks.
Have you checked out fiber damage, fiber saturation training. i did this program over christmas, and i ended up getting a 1/4 inch on my arms after just this workout.
this is the exact workout i did that got me there.
Back and bis
Part 1 (Fiber Damage)
Pullups-1x5+ 1 assist, 1x4+2 assisted reps. TEMPO-(5,1,X)
Close Grip Cable Row-130x6 150x5+2 assisted reps (1,3,1)
Underhand Grip Cable Row-130x6 (3,1,X)
T Bar Rows- 45x27+3 assisted reps
Barbell Rows- 105x14 r.p. 3
Barbel Curl-95x3, 95x3 + 3 assist (3/0/X)
DB Curl-35x3 30x3 (6/1/1)
DB Curl- 20x10
Reverse Curl40x20 superset hammer curls 15x20
Close Grip EZ Bar-40x9 dropset 30x6
Plus definitely consider doing legs. Im probably 198 cut, but if i didnt train legs i would be at about your weight cut. And it will help you stimulate a TON more growth.
04-01-2009, 05:33 PM
Honestly, all these gentlemen are right. You said you haven't made gains on hormones in the last little while on a program that doesn't involve training legs. Why don't you take the advice that these guys are giving and try training legs (no one wants to look like a flamingo). Leg training takes alot of hard work and the majority of the time your left sore for a day or two. Maybe you should look at that muscle soreness as a sign of muscle growth. The fact is that you need big legs to support a big upper buddy otherwise injuries usually begin to occur. I think your physique shows a ton of potential but your going to be stuck in a rut for growth until you start training those legs and start avoiding the hormones for a while. If your looking into DC training, be prepared for leg training as it is a major component of their training program. Good luck with whatever you choose but please use the advice that is being offered as we're all here to help each other.
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