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    <INTRO>
    A quick recap of the last few months. I was bulking up last fall, did a run of Prime in late November; then had finals/cut for Christmas. Returned to the gym in January, and 2 days back I smashed a 75lb of my right ring finger; couldn't use my right hand for a long time. I've got back into using it with lifting straps, however I still find it isn't ready for deadlifts/powercleans yet.

    Partly because of the injury, partly because I discovered Ultra Peptide Chocolate + PB = Oh Henry, I managed to put on some unwanted fat. I was up over 180 just over a week ago; I've cut about 3 lbs of that off. Looking to continue the fat loss, but still gain strength. Recomp is possible with a strict diet and good planning.

    I'm hoping that Ultima can provide the focus I need in the gym; I don't think I will be using it pre-cardio because I would like to take Poseidon to replace my electrolytes. I will adhere to whatever Omega/Matt wishes me to do. I would just like to thank them again for giving me the opportunity to try their product. As a quick primer about my PreWO supp experience, I used JP8 heavily in the fall; I've also tried Jack3d, White Flood and Ragnarok, RPM, SMASH, I'll expand on these in further posts.

    <DIET>
    Aiming for ~2400 calories to cut. 220g Carbs, 200g Protein, 80g Fat (37/33/30)

    Meal 1: Oats w/ Berries + Whey Protein
    Workout: BCAAs
    Meal 2 (PWO): Carbs + Protein (Same as meal 1, or chicken + sweetpotato, yogurt, etc)
    Meal 3, 4, & 5: Protein and Fats, with some veggies. Typically Omelets, Stews, Chilis, Fish or Homemade burgers.
    Meal 6: Casein Shake Prebed with Coconut Oil.

    <VITALS>
    5'11.5, ~177lbs, bf 14-15% est., Scorpio

    <SUPPLEMENTS>
    NOW Adam
    Vit D (3000 IU's/day)
    Poseidon
    ALCAR (3g/day)
    Green Tea Extract + Grapeseed Extract (2x500+100mg)
    Supercissus (4/day)
    CLA (6g/day)
    Sesamin (4mL/ day)
    Anabolic Pump + 20% Corosolic Acid
    Milk Thistle (3x300mg/day)
    Primordial TRS (EndoAmp + Sustain Alpha + Toco-8)
    MST's ZMK (3 caps)
    L-Dopa (1.8g of 50%, 2-3x/day)
    DCP during Cardio
    BCAA's (5-10g IntraWO, if allowed)

    <WORKOUT>
    Cardio: 50 mins elliptical work, fasted, Mon Wed & Thurs.
    Weights:
    Day 1: Chest & Back
    Day 2: Rest
    Day 3: Legs, Abs & Obliques
    Day 4: Deadlifts/Powercleans (Optional)
    Day 5: Shoulders/Arms
    Day 6: Rest


    Due to the nature of Ultima, this log will be a bit technical. However I'll have a fun one in late April/early May. This is a work in progress, but I wanted to get it started since I dosed yesterday.

    Happy St. Patty's Day!

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  2. Mon. March 16: Day 1:

    7:55 Wake up, AP, 2 DCP, Cissus, 1.8g L-Dopa, BCAA's & Leucine, GTE
    8:10-9 Elliptical, 2 sc. Poseidon, BCAA's & Leucine
    9:15 Shower, Sustain Alpha , EndoAmp
    9:30 Oats + Whey, Multivitamin
    11:50 0.5 Sc. Ultima
    12:30-1:20 : Gym (Shoulders)
    1:40: PWO Meal , then P+F meals onwards

    Comments:
    I was a bit tired as I only got 8 hours of sleep. However after taking the 0.5 scoop of Ultima sublingually, I began to forget/not notice this. However in the gym while resting, I would sort of zone out, stare at myself in the mirror, then get zone back in and do my reps.

    Workout went well; decent DOMS in the shoulders, Tri-Sets will do that to you! Excellent sleep; not sure if this is attributable to ULTIMA but today was the 2nd day of the 2 I take off from L-Dopa, and I only woke up once during the night. Slept right thru until my 7:55 alarm which is quite rare.

    Tues March 17: St Patty's/Rest Day. The goal is to keep the alcohol consumption moderate, 6 drinks max tonight. I've chatted with a few of you about rebalancing priorities; I went out a fair bit and didn't drink, but after getting tanked and having an awesome time, I'm trying to make the 2 worlds work in harmony. I know all too well what alcohol does to estrogen, and I'm not about to go get drunk. However I think I can work in 1 night of drinking/week, and I've taken Milk Thistle as a little precaution. As you are likely aware, Milk Thistle (Specifically Silymarin) decreases the androgen receptor . I don't think this will have a large effect on my gains/training, however it is worth nothing.

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  6. subbd, I'm in... we'll compare notes with Iron Lungz log

  7. Subscribed!
    Hey, try the dose at least once sublingual (with no water). I like the taste so much more. It's like candy, I swear!

    Good luck!

  8. Hey Dtrain, Bolt, Xjsynx, and Dormantfiber. Thanks for subbing

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    Subscribed!
    Hey, try the dose at least once sublingual (with no water). I like the taste so much more. It's like candy, I swear!

    Good luck!
    Yup; that's what I did on Day 1. 0.5 scoops under the tongue, did it in ~4 mini-scoops. I was thinking to myself that Omega should make the scoop 1/2 the size, which would make it easier for people who take 1/2 before and 1/2 after. It would then become 1 mini scooper before & intra.

    I'm going to up it to 1 full scoop tomorrow; I will do 0.5 beforehand, and 0.5 intra, although I would like to try 1 full scoop PreWO as I feel this would allow it to hit me before my workout, but I'll follow whatever protocol Omega suggests.

    Clarification Questions for OMEGA: On non-ULTIMA days, should I take my usual 4g of BA. Also should i get my 10g of Creatine Mono? I will be taking ULTIMA 4x/week I would imagine.
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    This is cool -- I finally get to see the famous Steveoph train..

    AND with Ultima! Good luck

  10. Rock on Steveoph. You've got a nice supp regimen there.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    Hey Dtrain, Bolt, Xjsynx, and Dormantfiber. Thanks for subbing



    Yup; that's what I did on Day 1. 0.5 scoops under the tongue, did it in ~4 mini-scoops. I was thinking to myself that Omega should make the scoop 1/2 the size, which would make it easier for people who take 1/2 before and 1/2 after. It would then become 1 mini scooper before & intra.

    I'm going to up it to 1 full scoop tomorrow; I will do 0.5 beforehand, and 0.5 intra, although I would like to try 1 full scoop PreWO as I feel this would allow it to hit me before my workout, but I'll follow whatever protocol Omega suggests.

    Clarification Questions for OMEGA: On non-ULTIMA days, should I take my usual 4g of BA. Also should i get my 10g of Creatine Mono? I will be taking ULTIMA 4x/week I would imagine.
    I believe the scoop size will be altered in the final product. As for the off days if you like I see no problem in dosing some creatine and beta alanine as long as this has been your normal protocol for awhile. 10 grams man??? Damn.

    Also the under the tongue method produces the most pronounced effect IMO.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by dtrain13 View Post
    I believe the scoop size will be altered in the final product. As for the off days if you like I see no problem in dosing some creatine and beta alanine as long as this has been your normal protocol for awhile. 10 grams man??? Damn.

    Also the under the tongue method produces the most pronounced effect IMO.
    Agreed.

  13. Just dump it straight under the tongue, huh? That's easy enough...

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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    Just dump it straight under the tongue, huh? That's easy enough...

    Subb'd!
    It actually tastes pretty good and foams up quite nice LOL. I will warn you due to the b-vitamins there is some serious "orange" coloration. It will color your hands, mouth teeth etc.. I always end up with orange color on my nose.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by dtrain13 View Post
    It actually taste pretty good and foams up quite nice LOL. I will warn you due to the b-vitamins there is some serious "orange" coloration. It will color your hands, mouth teeth etc.. I always end up with orange color on my nose.
    It comes off the teeth pretty quickly I found, but the orange tongue lasts a bit lol. I took about 3/4 beforehand today, and the top of my tongue was very tingly afterwards, likey from the BA. Also I noticed a slight flush/redness, not uncomfortable like a niacin flush, but my forearms were noticeably red during my workout; didn't check my face in the mirror. Also it looked like the deep veins were more noticeable in my forearms, but perhaps I was just really pushing myself during my Arms/Back WO. Will post full update this evening.

    And the 10g of Creatine Mono is 5g Pre and 5g Post, sometimes I do 3-4g instead, but it's so cheap it's just a maintenance dose and I don't get any bloat.

  16. Day 2:
    Cardio: 8:15-9:05
    50 Minutes Fasted Cardio (While reading Seth's new book )
    9:30: Oats + Whey + Berries
    11:00 0.75sc. ULTIMA Sublingually
    11:30 0.25sc. "" "" "" , Workout until 12:20
    12:30 Meal (1c. Oatbran, Whey, Cocoa Powder)
    4 x Protein + Fats + Veggie Meals

    Workout:
    1a) DB Incl 70: 10,9,8,6 (Reference, Did 75s, 4x10 back in Nov, so still working back up. Also I can't kickup 70s on my own anymore, should be able to next week)
    1b)Pullups (60s Static Hold w/ Wrist Straps, Pulling hurts the finger)
    2a)Dips; BW, 4x10 (Was doing +30s, but sprained left pec back in Dec., and still haven't added weights yet, I focus on slow controlled movement instead)
    2b)BB Rows
    3a) Front & 3b) Rear Fly
    4a) Machine Bench Press 3x5 (5/0/x)
    4b) Pulldowns , slow, 3x10

    Comments:
    Like I mentioned, I noticed a flushing/redness in my forearms during my workout, and subsided shortly afterwards. I'll watch for the onset in the future. Also at the end of my workout my hands were shaking/trembling; in the past I usually attributed this to stims, but it appears that this is just a result of a really intense workout.

    I've noticed great sleep the past 2 nights, without taking my usual L-Dopa. To see if ULTIMA is affecting my sleep, I will not take L-Dopa again tonight, and see how it feels. Considering I went to bed at ~1am, and woke up at 7:50, 5 minutes BEFORE my alarm, I can definitely feel something different. It may be that I'm just these last few days have been very busy/long and I'm exhausted, but I'll report anything and everything! Also only 1 guiness last night, but still had a great time.

    Focus/Energy: I was very sharp , even upon waking which was surprising. The endorphin rush after my cardio felt very nice; after taking the ULTIMA I didn't notice an energy surge, but more like a restlessness as if I hadn't been out of the house all day. Turned it into a very energetic/quick paced gym workout, without the stim effect (Which gets my slapping my hands, bouncing around etc).

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    Day 2:
    Cardio: 8:15-9:05
    50 Minutes Fasted Cardio (While reading Seth's new book )
    9:30: Oats + Whey + Berries
    11:00 0.75sc. ULTIMA Sublingually
    11:30 0.25sc. "" "" "" , Workout until 12:20
    12:30 Meal (1c. Oatbran, Whey, Cocoa Powder)
    4 x Protein + Fats + Veggie Meals

    Workout:
    1a) DB Incl 70: 10,9,8,6 (Reference, Did 75s, 4x10 back in Nov, so still working back up. Also I can't kickup 70s on my own anymore, should be able to next week)
    1b)Pullups (60s Static Hold w/ Wrist Straps, Pulling hurts the finger)
    2a)Dips; BW, 4x10 (Was doing +30s, but sprained left pec back in Dec., and still haven't added weights yet, I focus on slow controlled movement instead)
    2b)BB Rows
    3a) Front & 3b) Rear Fly
    4a) Machine Bench Press 3x5 (5/0/x)
    4b) Pulldowns , slow, 3x10

    Comments:
    Like I mentioned, I noticed a flushing/redness in my forearms during my workout, and subsided shortly afterwards. I'll watch for the onset in the future. Also at the end of my workout my hands were shaking/trembling; in the past I usually attributed this to stims, but it appears that this is just a result of a really intense workout.

    I've noticed great sleep the past 2 nights, without taking my usual L-Dopa. To see if ULTIMA is affecting my sleep, I will not take L-Dopa again tonight, and see how it feels. Considering I went to bed at ~1am, and woke up at 7:50, 5 minutes BEFORE my alarm, I can definitely feel something different. It may be that I'm just these last few days have been very busy/long and I'm exhausted, but I'll report anything and everything! Also only 1 guiness last night, but still had a great time.

    Focus/Energy: I was very sharp , even upon waking which was surprising. The endorphin rush after my cardio felt very nice; after taking the ULTIMA I didn't notice an energy surge, but more like a restlessness as if I hadn't been out of the house all day. Turned it into a very energetic/quick paced gym workout, without the stim effect (Which gets my slapping my hands, bouncing around etc).
    Not sure if the added sleep quality was an intent of the product but you, myself and others have reported this.

    The focus is very much like tunnel vision when you lift and restless when resting. I listen to hard rock so I focus on that between sets.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by dtrain13 View Post
    Not sure if the added sleep quality was an intent of the product but you, myself and others have reported this.

    The focus is very much like tunnel vision when you lift and restless when resting. I listen to hard rock so I focus on that between sets.
    That is the methylcobalamin regulating sleep quality. There's ample research on it and it was necessarily the "intent", but a known benefit during the formulative process.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by androgenic View Post
    That is the methylcobalamin regulating sleep quality. There's ample research on it and it was necessarily the "intent", but a known benefit during the formulative process.
    See thats why your the man and I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut. LOL wut?


  20. Quote Originally Posted by androgenic View Post
    That is the methylcobalamin regulating sleep quality. There's ample research on it and it was necessarily the "intent", but a known benefit during the formulative process.
    The methylcobalamin content is, at least partially, why sublingual dosing is suggested with Ultima, no doubt.
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  21. I'm in Steve !

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    The methylcobalamin content is, at least partially, why sublingual dosing is suggested with Ultima, no doubt.
    That is correct.

  23. Subscribed.


  24. Looking good Steve!

  25. Subscribed, Give it hell Steve!

  26. (Thurs March 19) Day 3: Legs

    Cardio: Fasted, 48 mins , 8:10-9

    Sidenote: Mishap w/ the porridge, container on lid opened, spilled 1/3 into bag, so less food + mess & it screwed up my water intake schedule, so -1L approx.

    Workout: 2:45-3:45pm (Gave the legs time to recover after the elliptical work)
    1)Cleans: 3 x5 (Legs felt tired + lots more for them to do)
    2)Squats ATG: 4x8
    3)Stiff-Leg Deadlifts: 3x8
    4a)Front Squats: ATG 3x8
    4b)Standing Calf Raises: 3x12 (3/3/x)
    5a)Leg Extension: 3x10
    5b)Hack Squat: 3x12 (4/0/3)

    Dosing: 1 Sc. Ultima 30-10 mins Pre-WO (Slowly took it sublingually) + 1g. ALCAR as I headed out the door

    Comments: I was pretty pumped as I jogged over to the gym, just energized by the sun and I love going to the gym (despite it being a dungeon w/ no windows). Today I didn't bother to put on any music, some days I just don't. I managed to push myself decently hard, but definitely could have dug deeper. Halfway through my workout I paused and was trying to compare my mental state to workouts when I didn't take anything. To be totally honest with myself, I don't really think I felt energized or overly "in the zone". I understand that ULTIMA is more subtle, and that perhaps the Trinitine + Beta-Alanine will cause some nice benefits but I really can't say I noticed anything too stimulating mentally.

    The great sleep continued; I will be resuming my normal 1.8g L-Dopa dose before bed. I also am noticing the deep veins in my arms. I am cutting, this may be partly due to the decreasing bf. My forearms were slightly red mid-workout once again, despite working legs. It is important to note that after my workout & meal, I absolutely crashed. I couldn't keep my head up.

    Timeline: 2:45-3:45 Workout
    4:00 PWO Meal
    4:15 onset of mild headache, and 45 minutes of napping which I tried to fight. Was debating skipping biochem lecture and going for a nap.
    5:15 dragged my butt outta the library to class, and was a bit more with it, but definitely not pleasant.

    I feel that dehydration may have been partly responsible for this PostWO crash. I mentioned not getting proper fluids after my WO (Only 1L instead of my usual 2L), and I don't think I made up for this. But I still didn't expect this sort of crash. Tomorrow is a rest day, and I'll make sure I'm fully hydrated on Saturday and see how it goes.

    Sidenote/Good News: I talked to Marc Lobliner of Scivation and NP is getting some of that Blue Raspberry Xtend in a few weeks (Although I've never been the fan of blue raspberries; honestly, they're red!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    (Thurs March 19) Day 3: Legs

    Cardio: Fasted, 48 mins , 8:10-9

    Sidenote: Mishap w/ the porridge, container on lid opened, spilled 1/3 into bag, so less food + mess & it screwed up my water intake schedule, so -1L approx.

    Workout: 2:45-3:45pm (Gave the legs time to recover after the elliptical work)
    1)Cleans: 3 x5 (Legs felt tired + lots more for them to do)
    2)Squats ATG: 4x8
    3)Stiff-Leg Deadlifts: 3x8
    4a)Front Squats: ATG 3x8
    4b)Standing Calf Raises: 3x12 (3/3/x)
    5a)Leg Extension: 3x10
    5b)Hack Squat: 3x12 (4/0/3)

    Dosing: 1 Sc. Ultima 30-10 mins Pre-WO (Slowly took it sublingually) + 1g. ALCAR as I headed out the door

    Comments: I was pretty pumped as I jogged over to the gym, just energized by the sun and I love going to the gym (despite it being a dungeon w/ no windows). Today I didn't bother to put on any music, some days I just don't. I managed to push myself decently hard, but definitely could have dug deeper. Halfway through my workout I paused and was trying to compare my mental state to workouts when I didn't take anything. To be totally honest with myself, I don't really think I felt energized or overly "in the zone". I understand that ULTIMA is more subtle, and that perhaps the Trinitine + Beta-Alanine will cause some nice benefits but I really can't say I noticed anything too stimulating mentally.

    The great sleep continued; I will be resuming my normal 1.8g L-Dopa dose before bed. I also am noticing the deep veins in my arms. I am cutting, this may be partly due to the decreasing bf. My forearms were slightly red mid-workout once again, despite working legs. It is important to note that after my workout & meal, I absolutely crashed. I couldn't keep my head up.

    Timeline: 2:45-3:45 Workout
    4:00 PWO Meal
    4:15 onset of mild headache, and 45 minutes of napping which I tried to fight. Was debating skipping biochem lecture and going for a nap.
    5:15 dragged my butt outta the library to class, and was a bit more with it, but definitely not pleasant.

    I feel that dehydration may have been partly responsible for this PostWO crash. I mentioned not getting proper fluids after my WO (Only 1L instead of my usual 2L), and I don't think I made up for this. But I still didn't expect this sort of crash. Tomorrow is a rest day, and I'll make sure I'm fully hydrated on Saturday and see how it goes.

    Sidenote/Good News: I talked to Marc Lobliner of Scivation and NP is getting some of that Blue Raspberry Xtend in a few weeks (Although I've never been the fan of blue raspberries; honestly, they're red!

    This log is really detailed which makes it much easier to follow. Keep it up Steve !

    All the way down to the "Sidenote: Mishap w/ the porridge, container on lid opened, spilled 1/3 into bag, so less food + mess & it screwed up my water intake schedule, so -1L approx."

    I have a question though... is porridge ?? lol. Is it another name for oatmeal ?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    The methylcobalamin content is, at least partially, why sublingual dosing is suggested with Ultima, no doubt.
    P5P has much better bioavailability sublingually and the R5P is potentially reversible without this route. These forms are so vastly superior is massive doses and are truly exciting. For example pyridoxine has toxicity at higher doses (above 200 is warned, but studies show long term use above 500mg.) due to it competing with endogenous P5P for binding...irnoically supplemental pyridoxine (the cheap form) can lower effective B6 in your body through competition at the binding site. P5P has no known toxicity. R5P, the active of riboflavin is special as well.

    Methylcobalamin is the mother of all coeznymated vitamins and at 15mg (15,000mcg.) is quite the awesomeness.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by AK32408 View Post
    I have a question though... is porridge ?? lol. Is it another name for oatmeal ?
    Good question. Yes I think. PM Goldie Locks for conformation.
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