ULTIMA: The Hunt for a Stim-Free Pre-WO solution (Sponsored)
- 03-17-2009, 03:09 PM
ULTIMA: The Hunt for a Stim-Free Pre-WO solution (Sponsored)
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A quick recap of the last few months. I was bulking up last fall, did a run of Prime in late November; then had finals/cut for Christmas. Returned to the gym in January, and 2 days back I smashed a 75lb of my right ring finger; couldn't use my right hand for a long time. I've got back into using it with lifting straps, however I still find it isn't ready for deadlifts/powercleans yet.
Partly because of the injury, partly because I discovered Ultra Peptide Chocolate + PB = Oh Henry, I managed to put on some unwanted fat. I was up over 180 just over a week ago; I've cut about 3 lbs of that off. Looking to continue the fat loss, but still gain strength. Recomp is possible with a strict diet and good planning.
I'm hoping that Ultima can provide the focus I need in the gym; I don't think I will be using it pre-cardio because I would like to take Poseidon to replace my electrolytes. I will adhere to whatever Omega/Matt wishes me to do. I would just like to thank them again for giving me the opportunity to try their product. As a quick primer about my PreWO supp experience, I used JP8 heavily in the fall; I've also tried Jack3d, White Flood and Ragnarok, RPM, SMASH, I'll expand on these in further posts.
Aiming for ~2400 calories to cut. 220g Carbs, 200g Protein, 80g Fat (37/33/30)
Meal 1: Oats w/ Berries + Whey Protein
Meal 2 (PWO): Carbs + Protein (Same as meal 1, or chicken + sweetpotato, yogurt, etc)
Meal 3, 4, & 5: Protein and Fats, with some veggies. Typically Omelets, Stews, Chilis, Fish or Homemade burgers.
Meal 6: Casein Shake Prebed with Coconut Oil.
5'11.5, ~177lbs, bf 14-15% est., Scorpio
Vit D (3000 IU's/day)
Green Tea Extract + Grapeseed Extract (2x500+100mg)
Sesamin (4mL/ day)
Anabolic Pump + 20% Corosolic Acid
Milk Thistle (3x300mg/day)
Primordial TRS (EndoAmp + Sustain Alpha + Toco-8)
MST's ZMK (3 caps)
L-Dopa (1.8g of 50%, 2-3x/day)
DCP during Cardio
BCAA's (5-10g IntraWO, if allowed)
Cardio: 50 mins elliptical work, fasted, Mon Wed & Thurs.
Day 1: Chest & Back
Day 2: Rest
Day 3: Legs, Abs & Obliques
Day 4: Deadlifts/Powercleans (Optional)
Day 5: Shoulders/Arms
Day 6: Rest
Due to the nature of Ultima, this log will be a bit technical. However I'll have a fun one in late April/early May. This is a work in progress, but I wanted to get it started since I dosed yesterday.
Happy St. Patty's Day!
- 03-17-2009, 03:10 PM
Final review goes here
- 03-17-2009, 03:10 PM
Mon. March 16: Day 1:
7:55 Wake up, AP, 2 DCP, Cissus, 1.8g L-Dopa, BCAA's & Leucine, GTE
8:10-9 Elliptical, 2 sc. Poseidon, BCAA's & Leucine
9:15 Shower, Sustain Alpha , EndoAmp
9:30 Oats + Whey, Multivitamin
11:50 0.5 Sc. Ultima
12:30-1:20 : Gym (Shoulders)
1:40: PWO Meal , then P+F meals onwards
I was a bit tired as I only got 8 hours of sleep. However after taking the 0.5 scoop of Ultima sublingually, I began to forget/not notice this. However in the gym while resting, I would sort of zone out, stare at myself in the mirror, then get zone back in and do my reps.
Workout went well; decent DOMS in the shoulders, Tri-Sets will do that to you! Excellent sleep; not sure if this is attributable to ULTIMA but today was the 2nd day of the 2 I take off from L-Dopa, and I only woke up once during the night. Slept right thru until my 7:55 alarm which is quite rare.
Tues March 17: St Patty's/Rest Day. The goal is to keep the alcohol consumption moderate, 6 drinks max tonight. I've chatted with a few of you about rebalancing priorities; I went out a fair bit and didn't drink, but after getting tanked and having an awesome time, I'm trying to make the 2 worlds work in harmony. I know all too well what alcohol does to estrogen, and I'm not about to go get drunk. However I think I can work in 1 night of drinking/week, and I've taken Milk Thistle as a little precaution. As you are likely aware, Milk Thistle (Specifically Silymarin) decreases the androgen receptor . I don't think this will have a large effect on my gains/training, however it is worth nothing.
03-17-2009, 04:47 PM
03-17-2009, 04:48 PM
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03-17-2009, 04:56 PM
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03-17-2009, 06:32 PM
Hey, try the dose at least once sublingual (with no water). I like the taste so much more. It's like candy, I swear!
03-17-2009, 06:36 PM
Hey Dtrain, Bolt, Xjsynx, and Dormantfiber. Thanks for subbing
I'm going to up it to 1 full scoop tomorrow; I will do 0.5 beforehand, and 0.5 intra, although I would like to try 1 full scoop PreWO as I feel this would allow it to hit me before my workout, but I'll follow whatever protocol Omega suggests.
Clarification Questions for OMEGA: On non-ULTIMA days, should I take my usual 4g of BA. Also should i get my 10g of Creatine Mono? I will be taking ULTIMA 4x/week I would imagine.
03-17-2009, 06:43 PM
This is cool -- I finally get to see the famous Steveoph train..
AND with Ultima! Good luck
03-17-2009, 08:30 PM
Rock on Steveoph. You've got a nice supp regimen there.
03-18-2009, 06:04 AM
Also the under the tongue method produces the most pronounced effect IMO.
03-18-2009, 08:47 AM
03-18-2009, 10:41 AM
03-18-2009, 11:44 AM
03-18-2009, 12:50 PM
And the 10g of Creatine Mono is 5g Pre and 5g Post, sometimes I do 3-4g instead, but it's so cheap it's just a maintenance dose and I don't get any bloat.
03-18-2009, 08:51 PM
50 Minutes Fasted Cardio (While reading Seth's new book )
9:30: Oats + Whey + Berries
11:00 0.75sc. ULTIMA Sublingually
11:30 0.25sc. "" "" "" , Workout until 12:20
12:30 Meal (1c. Oatbran, Whey, Cocoa Powder)
4 x Protein + Fats + Veggie Meals
1a) DB Incl 70: 10,9,8,6 (Reference, Did 75s, 4x10 back in Nov, so still working back up. Also I can't kickup 70s on my own anymore, should be able to next week)
1b)Pullups (60s Static Hold w/ Wrist Straps, Pulling hurts the finger)
2a)Dips; BW, 4x10 (Was doing +30s, but sprained left pec back in Dec., and still haven't added weights yet, I focus on slow controlled movement instead)
3a) Front & 3b) Rear Fly
4a) Machine Bench Press 3x5 (5/0/x)
4b) Pulldowns , slow, 3x10
Like I mentioned, I noticed a flushing/redness in my forearms during my workout, and subsided shortly afterwards. I'll watch for the onset in the future. Also at the end of my workout my hands were shaking/trembling; in the past I usually attributed this to stims, but it appears that this is just a result of a really intense workout.
I've noticed great sleep the past 2 nights, without taking my usual L-Dopa. To see if ULTIMA is affecting my sleep, I will not take L-Dopa again tonight, and see how it feels. Considering I went to bed at ~1am, and woke up at 7:50, 5 minutes BEFORE my alarm, I can definitely feel something different. It may be that I'm just these last few days have been very busy/long and I'm exhausted, but I'll report anything and everything! Also only 1 guiness last night, but still had a great time.
Focus/Energy: I was very sharp , even upon waking which was surprising. The endorphin rush after my cardio felt very nice; after taking the ULTIMA I didn't notice an energy surge, but more like a restlessness as if I hadn't been out of the house all day. Turned it into a very energetic/quick paced gym workout, without the stim effect (Which gets my slapping my hands, bouncing around etc).
03-19-2009, 06:34 AM
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03-19-2009, 10:59 AM
03-19-2009, 11:03 AM
I'm in Steve !
03-19-2009, 11:11 AM
03-19-2009, 12:43 PM
03-19-2009, 01:51 PM
Looking good Steve!
03-19-2009, 02:50 PM
03-19-2009, 07:15 PM
(Thurs March 19) Day 3: Legs
Cardio: Fasted, 48 mins , 8:10-9
Sidenote: Mishap w/ the porridge, container on lid opened, spilled 1/3 into bag, so less food + mess & it screwed up my water intake schedule, so -1L approx.
Workout: 2:45-3:45pm (Gave the legs time to recover after the elliptical work)
1)Cleans: 3 x5 (Legs felt tired + lots more for them to do)
2)Squats ATG: 4x8
3)Stiff-Leg Deadlifts: 3x8
4a)Front Squats: ATG 3x8
4b)Standing Calf Raises: 3x12 (3/3/x)
5a)Leg Extension: 3x10
5b)Hack Squat: 3x12 (4/0/3)
Dosing: 1 Sc. Ultima 30-10 mins Pre-WO (Slowly took it sublingually) + 1g. ALCAR as I headed out the door
Comments: I was pretty pumped as I jogged over to the gym, just energized by the sun and I love going to the gym (despite it being a dungeon w/ no windows). Today I didn't bother to put on any music, some days I just don't. I managed to push myself decently hard, but definitely could have dug deeper. Halfway through my workout I paused and was trying to compare my mental state to workouts when I didn't take anything. To be totally honest with myself, I don't really think I felt energized or overly "in the zone". I understand that ULTIMA is more subtle, and that perhaps the Trinitine + Beta-Alanine will cause some nice benefits but I really can't say I noticed anything too stimulating mentally.
The great sleep continued; I will be resuming my normal 1.8g L-Dopa dose before bed. I also am noticing the deep veins in my arms. I am cutting, this may be partly due to the decreasing bf. My forearms were slightly red mid-workout once again, despite working legs. It is important to note that after my workout & meal, I absolutely crashed. I couldn't keep my head up.
Timeline: 2:45-3:45 Workout
4:00 PWO Meal
4:15 onset of mild headache, and 45 minutes of napping which I tried to fight. Was debating skipping biochem lecture and going for a nap.
5:15 dragged my butt outta the library to class, and was a bit more with it, but definitely not pleasant.
I feel that dehydration may have been partly responsible for this PostWO crash. I mentioned not getting proper fluids after my WO (Only 1L instead of my usual 2L), and I don't think I made up for this. But I still didn't expect this sort of crash. Tomorrow is a rest day, and I'll make sure I'm fully hydrated on Saturday and see how it goes.
Sidenote/Good News: I talked to Marc Lobliner of Scivation and NP is getting some of that Blue Raspberry Xtend in a few weeks (Although I've never been the fan of blue raspberries; honestly, they're red!
03-20-2009, 12:20 PM
This log is really detailed which makes it much easier to follow. Keep it up Steve !
All the way down to the "Sidenote: Mishap w/ the porridge, container on lid opened, spilled 1/3 into bag, so less food + mess & it screwed up my water intake schedule, so -1L approx."
I have a question though... is porridge ?? lol. Is it another name for oatmeal ?
03-20-2009, 12:30 PM
Methylcobalamin is the mother of all coeznymated vitamins and at 15mg (15,000mcg.) is quite the awesomeness.
03-20-2009, 12:37 PM
03-20-2009, 12:37 PM
ah I missed this one before today
This space for rent
Phenadrol Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...-hell-did.html - AMAZING fat loss results so far
03-22-2009, 09:43 AM
sorry im late bro, im in!
03-22-2009, 02:56 PM
Friday March 20th: Rest Day
- no ULTIMA dosed, used 2x2g of BA & 2x3 of Creatine Monohydrate
Porridge= Cooked Oats, a la Oatmeal. Canadian quirk.
Saturday March 21st: Shoulders/Obliques
Cleans: 135, 4x5 (Felt heavy, failed at 6th rep. Legs felt to be the weakpoint. Performed without wrist straps , with no swelling afterwards )
BB Shoulder Press: 5x8 (Did 4x5 last time, felt very light. excellent progress here. Bumping up the weight)
DB Oblique Sidebends 60lb; 5x10 - Felt light, will bump up to 65
Tri-Sets Shoulders (DB Lat Raises, Front Raises, Shoulder Press): 3x8
*Floor Wipers 135; 3x 8 (May lower the weight, haven't done these in months and was heavy)
BB Shrugs: 185x10,10,4 3/0/3 Tempo - Last set my left shoulder became quite painful
* ~ 8 minute interruption as someone new was trying to learn to deadlift/squat. I would rather lose 8 minutes of my workout and have them do it with proper form from then on, than see them screw up their back/knees.
Dosing: 1 Sc. Sublingually, 40-30 mins PreWO
I used music today to keep my energy up. It is hard for me to increase my effort, as even without PreWO supps I push myself harder than most guys in the gym; I'm usually staggering after finishing a set, or shaking the burn out of my arms. I am maintaining this intensity with ULTIMA; I find I do not rush my rest periods like I do on other PreWO supps with stims, which can be a good thing as I want to make sure I am properly recovered before my next set. No increased aggression or energy, more of a calm focus. I do like the feeling of the extra energy that JP8 gave me, but it is nice to be caffeine-free and easy on the adrenals.
- I feel the onset of a cold coming perhaps, so no sprints PWO
The workout went by very quickly; before I knew it 70 minutes had passed. I was definitely focused throughout the workout; I would stare down the DB as I walked back from the fountain a few times unwittingly
The redness/flushing was likely from the 2 scoops of Poseidon, as I removed it from my intraWO mix, and noticed no flushing. Will continue to not use Poseidon to confirm.
5 minutes prior to heading out to the gym, I felt a mild headache coming on. I drank 500mL of water, and it subsided quickly, but I felt it in my stomach at the start of my workout. Hydration for some reason seems to be paramount with ULTIMA; I drank plenty of water yesterday, and only had 1 drink when I went out. I normally drink 4-5L of water/day, and atleast 15mins before meals or 30 mins after. I will be sure to keep track of my water intake even closer than normal.
As noted in the workout section, my shoulders are getting stuff. Even at 4caps/day of SuperCissus RX, I can really feel them getting stiff, overworked I would say. I will bump up the Supercissus to 6x/day, and add in some extra rotator cuff exercises on my chest-day, and see if I can get rid of this soreness. I'm too young for sore joints
03-22-2009, 03:05 PM
looking good steve-o!..
03-23-2009, 07:38 AM
1 scoop, is a strong dose for most starters that aren't nootropically adapted. Most are using 1/4, 1/3, 1/2 scoop. Sublingual is stronger than under the tongue, and direct sublingual (powder) is stronger than the liquid sublingual sips.
Play with dosing. Try this for starters:
1/4 scoop under the tongue...powder...30 minutes pre-workout.
1/3 scoop, in water, 12 oz. sipped during workout, holding a sip for 5 seconds under the tongue.
You'll use less and feel more. Everyone has very different dosing schemes and it hits them differently. This may be a good way to get an idea of how you want to go with it. But I guarantee you'll "feel" this more. Much more.
03-23-2009, 10:29 AM
03-23-2009, 11:48 AM
03-23-2009, 11:58 AM
03-23-2009, 02:59 PM
Sunday March 22nd: Deadlifts, Bi's & Tri's
Cardio: None (Would have done HIIT PWO, but fighting a cold)
Deadlifts : 265 5x5 (Wrist Straps, Plates Don't touch floor. +20lbs, but did 8x8 @ 245)
2a)Incl. BB Curls; 3x10
3a) EZ Curls 4x 60s Static Hold
3b) Decl. DB Pullover 45; 4x7
No ULTIMA as this was a short workout and I didn't feel I needed it.
I probably could have done 8x5, but I didn't want to beat my body up too much. Still feeling this cold hasn't fully struck yet; I did roll in at about 2last night from a party, but slept until 10 to get me my 8 hours. I seem to sleep quite well after drinking. It was my one night/week I let myself have a few drinks, was about 7, a few tequila/vodka shots, rum & a champagne. Some really good friends of mine that are Jewish were holding a mock "Barmitzvah", and wow what a party! To think they had 2 or so of these per week when they were 13, we've been missing out! I hydrated with Poseidon, Aminos and plenty of water when I got in before my workout.
Mon March 23rd: Cardio
Cardio:52 mins Elliptical
- holy smokes was this a great cardio session. My nose was dripping and definitely sick, but somehow I was above my 100cals/5min mark very easily and sweating like a beast!
Dosing: No ULTIMA today. Will do 0.5 scoops tomorrow before chest/upper back.
03-23-2009, 03:51 PM
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