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  1. good luck man. I'm definitely interested to see the results.


  2. You dont feel that good mornings are harder on you back than deads?
    Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general. -Rippetoe
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  3. good mornings actually make my back feel better. When I am done my back doesnt feel compressed at all. deads feel solid at 225 and I am always tempted to go higher but I am playing it safe.

  4. I here ya, I get back spasms often.
    Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general. -Rippetoe

  5. Subbed interested in seeing how this plays out.
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  6. I switched deads out with good mornings yesterday. I have to say that i may keep it that way for a while. My back didnt tighten up on deads like it has for the last few weeks. I have a feeling that less(weight) is more with the good mornings. I guess thats why Westside trains with g.m's
    Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general. -Rippetoe

  7. Had a little chat with inarius about sheiko training. It is supposed to be an 8wk program, but I have only been able to find outlines for 4wk programs. Well, we decided that I will test after 4wks and redo the calculations for percentages and go from there, starting another 4wk run. I will be changing from the #29 program to #37 which has more volume in hopes the liquidrone will boost my ass thru all the hard reps/sets.

  8. I always preferred back extentions over g.m.'s. Have you guys ever tried rack deads? They will really strengthen your lower back. I used to getback spasms when I was younger, after performing deads and squats. Ever since I started doing rack deads, I haven't had a problem. I guarantee you will be able to make killer gains if you add then to your regimen. My starting max was 225 for 10, and now I can do 405 for 8, over the course of about 3 years.

  9. BTW, does anyone know if the LD has shipped yet? I'm getting antsy, wanted to start on Monday.

  10. I beleive they shipped it thrusday.....

  11. Yeah, I got conformation that they went out yesterday. Hopefully they will arrive to the testers early next week.

  12. I am going to be getting my body fat and maxes re-tested on Monday, awaiting the liquidrone to arrive. Should be here tuesday or wednesday so I am taking a small break in training until it arrives, just to get ready for Sheiko 37. Only thing I will be doing during the few days off is cardio 2X/day for 30min keeping my heart rate in the 130's. Once the liquidrone is here i will continue the cardio, but only once per day and still 30min postworkout. I know all the testers are dying to get there shipment and starting killing some weight, so patience to all......

  13. Got my liquidrone today and let me tell you it was a great feeling opening that box. Took my first dose at 8 PM. I will begin with Sheiko 37 tomorrow, but my schedual will be a little off from what I would like. I usually workout M-W-F, but for this first week it will be W-F-Sun. Here are my starting stats reposted for those who dont want to read the whole thread.

    24
    6'3
    25% Body Fat
    255LBS
    191LBM
    64Fat LBS

    Maxes:
    Squat 365
    Bench: 275
    Good Morn: 225X3

    Measurements:
    Right:
    Thigh 26.5
    Calf 15.25
    Waist(above belly button) 39
    Chest 43
    Shoulders 55
    Bicep 14.5

    Left:
    Thigh 26.5
    Calf 15.25
    Chest 43
    Shoulders 55
    Bicep 15

    Sample Diet:
    Breakfast:
    Oatmeal
    Flax
    Yogurt
    Toast
    Protein Shake

    Lunch:
    Chicken
    Rice
    Toast
    Protein Shake

    Dinner:
    Chicken
    Stir Fry(veggies)
    Rice
    Protein Shake

    Preworkout:
    carbs

    Postworkout:
    Fast digesting protein/carbs

    Here are links to my pics:
    http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4341/2009195.jpg
    http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4386/2009196.jpg
    http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2782/2009194.jpg
    http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/638/2009197.jpg
    http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5756/2009198.jpg

    Just to let everyone know I just finished 4wks of Sheiko 29 and in those weeks I lost 2%BF, gained 5lbs muscle and lost 2-4lbs fat. Now with the aid of liquidrone I will doing the Sheiko 37 version which is even higher volume. I will be doing 30 min cardio post workout and 30min on off days, keeping my heart rate in the 130's. Only limiting factor in this cyclew is my progress on dead lifts. I hurt my back in Sept. 08 and for now I am sticking to light weight on deads to be careful.

    PCT:
    ALRI Restore
    Supersaponins
    1-carboxy
    some type of liver supp(just in case)

    I will be dosing the liqudrone at approx. 10AM and 8PM

    I know this is a lengthy post and I hope I included everything you guys need to track my prgress. God I cant wait till tomorrow.

  14. Oops. Here is the exact traing routine I will be using.....

    Monthly Training Plan - 1

    In base (preparation) period by coach Boris Sheiko (Russia)

    (50% 5X1 – where: 50% - percentage of maximum; 5 – reps; 1 - sets)

    1 WEEK

    1 day (Monday)

    1.Bench press 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х2,70% 3Х2,75% 3Х5.(34)
    2.Squat 50% 5Х1,60% 5Х2,70% 5Х5.(40)
    3.Bench press 50% 6Х1,60% 6Х2,65% 6Х4.(42)
    4.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    5.”Good mornings” (standing) 5Х5.
    Total: 116 lifts

    3 day (Wednesday)

    1.Deadlift 50% 5Х1,60% 5Х2,70% 4Х2,75% 3Х4.(35)
    2.Incline bench press 4Х6.
    3.Dips 5Х5.
    4.Deadlift from boxes 50% 5Х1,60% 5Х2,70% 4Х2,80% 3Х4.(35)
    5.Squats “Scissors” 5+5Х5.
    6.Abs 10Х3.
    Total: 65 lifts

    5 day (Friday)

    1.Bench press 50% 7Х1,55% 6Х1,60% 5Х1,65% 4Х1, 70% 3Х2,75% 2Х2,70% 3Х2,65% 4Х1, 60% 6Х1,55% 8Х1,50% 10Х1.(66)
    2.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    3.Squat 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х2,70% 3Х2,75% 3Х5.(34)
    4.French press 10Х5.
    5.”Good mornings” (seating) 5Х5.
    Total: 100 lifts

    Total in a week: 286 lifts


    2 WEEK

    1 day (Monday)

    1.Squat 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х2,70% 3Х2,80%2Х5.(29)
    2.Bench press 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,80% 2Х6.(27)
    3.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    4.Push ups on the floor with weight (hands shoulders wider) 10Х5
    5.Squat 55% 3Х1,65% 3Х1,75% 3Х4.(18)
    6.”Good mornings” (standing) 5Х5.
    Total: 74 lifts

    3 day (Wednesday)

    1.Deadlift till knees 50% 4Х1,60% 4Х2,70% 4Х4.(28)
    2.Bench press 50% 5Х1,60% 5Х2,70% 4Х5.(35)
    3.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    4.Deadlift 50% 4Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,75% 3Х5.(29)
    5.Squat “scissors” 5+5Х5.
    Total: 92 lifts

    5 day (Friday)

    1.Squat 50% 4Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,75% 3Х6(29)
    2.Bench press 50% 6Х1,60% 5Х1,70% 4Х2,75% 3Х2,80% 2Х2, 75% 4Х1,70% 5Х1,60% 6Х1,50% 7Х1.(51)
    3.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    4.Triceps 10Х5.
    5.Squat 55% 3Х1,65% 3Х1,75% 2Х4.(14)
    6.”Good mornings” (seated) 6Х5.
    Total: 80 lifts

    Total in a week: 246 lifts

    3 WEEK

    1 day (Monday)

    1.Squat 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х2,70% 3Х2,80% 3Х5.(34)
    2.Bench press 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,80% 3Х5.(30)
    3.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    4.Push ups with weight 10Х5.
    5.Squat 50% 5Х1,60% 5Х1,70% 5Х5.(35)
    6.”Good mornings” (standing) 5Х5.
    Total: 99 lifts

    3 day (Wednesday)

    1.Deadlift till knees 50% 4Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 4Х2,75% 4Х4(32)
    2.Bench press 50% 6Х1,60% 5Х1,70% 4Х2,75% 3Х2, 80% 2Х2,75% 3х2,70% 4Х1,65% 5Х1, 60% 6Х1,55% 7Х1,50% 8Х1.(65)
    3.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    4.Deadlift from boxes 60% 5Х1,70% 5Х2,80% 4Х4.(31)
    5.Squat “Scissors” 5+5Х5.
    6.Abs 10Х3.
    Total: 123 lifts

    5 day (Friday)

    1.Bench press 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,80% 2Х5.(25)
    2.Squat 50% 5Х1,60% 5Х1,70% 5Х2,75% 4Х5.(40)
    3.Bench press 50% 6Х1,60% 6Х2,65% 6Х4.(42)
    4.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    5.”Good mornings” (standing) 5Х5.
    Total: 107 lifts

    Total in a week: 329 lifts

    4 WEEK

    1 day (Monday))

    1.Squat 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,80% 3Х2, 85% 2Х3.(27)
    2.Bench press 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,80% 3Х5.(30)
    3.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    4.Dips 8Х5.
    5.Squat 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,80% 2Х4.(23)
    6.”Good mornings” (standing) 5Х5.
    Total: 80 lifts

    3 day (Wednesday)

    1.Bench press 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,80% 3Х2, 85% 2Х3.(27)
    2.Deadlift 50% 4Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,80% 3Х2, 85% 2Х3.(26)
    3.Bench press 55% 5Х1,65% 5Х1,75% 4Х4.(26)
    4.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    5.Squats “Scissors” 5+5Х5.
    Total: 79 lifts

    5 day (Friday)

    1.Squat 50% 5Х1,60% 4Х1,70% 3Х2,80% 3Х6.(33)
    2.Bench press 50% 5Х1,60% 5Х1,70% 5Х5.(40)
    3.Flat dumbbells “flies”10Х5.
    4.Dips 8Х5.
    5.”Good mornings” (seating) 5Х5.
    6.Abs 10Х3.
    Total: 73 lifts

    Total in a week: 232 lifts
    Total in a month: 1093 lifts

  15. Nice. Sheiko looks hard as hell.
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  16. Its a good system, but yeah it is tough.

  17. that is no joke!
    Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general. -Rippetoe

  18. Well today was my first workout after two doses of liquidrone. Here is how it went:

    *remember that in Sheiko reps are listed first followed by sets
    Bench:135 5x1, 165 4x2, 192 3x2, 206 3x5
    Squat: 135 5x1, 182 5x1, 219 5x2, 255 5x5
    bench: 135 6x1, 165 6x2, 178 6x4
    db flies: 35lbs 10x5
    good morn: 205 5x5
    30min cardio heart rate constant in 130's

    Had a nice steady flow of strength today, the weights and volume were tough but I always managed to push out those last few sets/reps. This sheiko routine is definatley harder than the one I just completed. Still early to notice any effects from the liquidrone but I will say recovery between sets was good today, wether thats normal or from the liquidrone its to early to tell. I also noticed my muscles were a bit fuller today, especially my legs after that squat sesion and I had a nice sense of confidence. Tomorrow and how sore I am will tell the tale. My diet intake today was 150g protein, 200+g carbs, 20g fat. Just to remind you guys I am looking for this product to help with recomp as I am eating below maintanence.

  19. up the protien x2 dood
    Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general. -Rippetoe

  20. Quote Originally Posted by thaOrleanyte View Post
    up the protien x2 dood
    Well the thing is I have never really needed more than 150-200gprotein/day to get to where I am at now. But since I am on the liquidrone I will try and up it to 300g/day. Thanks for the advice....

  21. I just wanted to elaborate on why I never use all that much protein. I have experimented with daily dosages as much as 400g/day and when I compared the muscle i gained when while taking 150-200g/day it wasnt overtly noticable. I made these comparisons both while running a 5X5 routine over the course of several months. I always thought if you bought a high quality protein with high absorbtion rates and took at most anabolic times it would be sufficient to dose lower than standard on protein. I realize that when taking a PH/PS protein synthesis is increased but I fall back on my original point. I will for the sake of the log increase my protein intake to 250-300g/day. I know alot of people are mostly against this position as there was a thread about this very topic not to long ago, but like I said it is what has worked for me.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by bigironkiller View Post
    I just wanted to elaborate on why I never use all that much protein. I have experimented with daily dosages as much as 400g/day and when I compared the muscle i gained when while taking 150-200g/day it wasnt overtly noticable. I made these comparisons both while running a 5X5 routine over the course of several months. I always thought if you bought a high quality protein with high absorbtion rates and took at most anabolic times it would be sufficient to dose lower than standard on protein. I realize that when taking a PH/PS protein synthesis is increased but I fall back on my original point. I will for the sake of the log increase my protein intake to 250-300g/day. I know alot of people are mostly against this position as there was a thread about this very topic not to long ago, but like I said it is what has worked for me.

    I know what you mean. I do what works for me, ive done a little expirementing and the only thing i noticed was that i was on the [email protected] more. So i think i was just wasting it. It depends on the day and what muscle im lifting for me to determine how much protein. i try to keep it about the same but that usually dosent happen.

  23. Well, you know what works. I still believe in eating as much protien as possible
    Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general. -Rippetoe

  24. subbed!

    work is killing me, I'll pop in as often as I can

  25. Quote Originally Posted by thaOrleanyte View Post
    Well, you know what works. I still believe in eating as much protien as possible
    I fully understand as this is most people position, "more is always better". I just try and look at the quality of the protein and decided. If I was taking some ****ty protein I would definatley up the amount, but with the high grade stuff available to each his own.....

    The liquidrone is giving me a very good sense of well being. I am confident and have that slight edge in my step. My diet today was ok, only got in 4 good meals, but they were all healthy and did my 60min cardio. Todays macros were approximately 250g protein(200 from shakes 50 from chicken), 25g fat(olive oil mixed in with protein shakes) and 300g carbs(spagetti and oatmeal). I am not sore today as I was expecting, not even in my legs which were worked hard. I was taking 1-carboxy before the liquidrone and it also helped with recovery, so now I believe it is the liquidrone that speeds recovery. Maybe one day I could run both, Tomorrows workout is mostly deads and squats and I am already salavating to kill some reps out.

  26. your workout look awesome very complete! If diet is in check your gonna get huge.lol

  27. Well today I wish I had been shot in the testicles, at least I would have some pretty nurses to take care of me. In case you couldnt tell todays workout was a bitch. Here is what I did:

    deads: 225 6X6
    Inc Bench: 185 4X6
    dips: 5X5
    box deads: 225 6X6
    narrow squats: 135 6X5
    30min cardio

    My balls were definatley handed to me today....

    The liquidrone is giving me a great sense of confidence and a feeling i can do anything, that agressive bounce in your step. It is a very easy product to take and I dont understand why more companies havent brought products like this out. I must give AMS props for their cutting edge thinking and bring this type of product back to the market.

    Will post diet later but I will say when I got home I downed 150g protein

  28. Quote Originally Posted by bigironkiller View Post
    Well today I wish I had been shot in the testicles, at least I would have some pretty nurses to take care of me. In case you couldnt tell todays workout was a bitch. Here is what I did:

    deads: 225 6X6
    Inc Bench: 185 4X6
    dips: 5X5
    box deads: 225 6X6
    narrow squats: 135 6X5
    30min cardio

    My balls were definatley handed to me today....

    The liquidrone is giving me a great sense of confidence and a feeling i can do anything, that agressive bounce in your step. It is a very easy product to take and I dont understand why more companies havent brought products like this out. I must give AMS props for their cutting edge thinking and bring this type of product back to the market.

    Will post diet later but I will say when I got home I downed 150g protein
    At least you got em back! lol

    And your throwing alot of weight around in a days workout, youre doing good bud. And i know what you mean about the confidence, i got it too. And maybe instead of taking 150g protein at once, try to spread it out. You might have done that, i dont know. just my 2 cents. Keep it up bud!

  29. Quote Originally Posted by testiesac View Post
    At least you got em back! lol

    And your throwing alot of weight around in a days workout, youre doing good bud. And i know what you mean about the confidence, i got it too. And maybe instead of taking 150g protein at once, try to spread it out. You might have done that, i dont know. just my 2 cents. Keep it up bud!
    yeah i first threw back 75g then took a nap then another 75g. Felt much better after the nap and was ready to go back to the gym for another beating. dont know what drives us to want all the pain we get from the gym but i never want to lose it......

  30. sorry i didnt get to post my diet macros last night, i got in late. Was at a party and ate a truck load of brisket, chicken and ribs. Yesterday I got 250g protein from shakes and another 100 or so from food. Carbs were really high to as I had a about 200g worth of spaghetti and anothe 200g potatoes. Fat was still constant as I add olive oil to my shakes, so it was 35g. After my last workout I needed to engourge myself in food to try and recover. Im not sore at all today and feel great. I also have been experiencing an interesting side effect. My dreams have been really "aggressive" lately. I mean I am in situations were I am beating the **** out of people too being in situations were I am just a complete jerk to people. These dreams are just random, but I wanted to see if any other loggers were experiencing this......In the gym I feel very focused and I get mad at the weights when I feel I cant go on, this helps me push through the rough spots.
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