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    Pushing Dormant Fibers to the Max(Epistane 4wk log)


    The time has come for me to do my first full cycle starting this March 1st I will start a 4 week Epistane cycle, here's a little background and stats, I did a coupe of pulse cycles last year and was impressed by this product but did not make significant gains so this time I'll run a full cycle. I'm currently 185lbs up on waking and been training for over 7 years with the last 2 years lifting seriously. My objectives are to put on 5-7 lbs and lower bodyfat.

    My training routine will be as such.

    Day 1: Chest & Triceps plus Forearms
    Warm Up for 5 minutes on treadmill
    Chest
    Incline Bench Press
    Bench Press
    Seated Pec Deck Butterflys
    Cable Crossovers
    Triceps
    SM Close Grip Bench Presses
    Rope Pushdown
    V Bar Pushdown
    Seated Machine Extensions
    Cable Single Arm Extensions
    Forearms
    Reverse Barbell Curls
    Dumbbell Wrist Curls
    Cool Down: Run 1 mile

    Day 2: Back & Biceps & Abs
    Warm Up for 5 minutes on treadmill
    Back
    Hyperextensions
    Deadlifts
    Lat Pulldown
    Low Row
    Biceps
    Barbell Bar Curls
    Standing Cable Curls
    Machine Preacher Curls
    Hammer Cable Curls
    Abs
    Hanging Leg Raises
    Abdominal Crunches
    Cool Down: Run 1 mile

    Day 3: Rest

    Day 4: Quads & Hamstrings & Forearms
    Warm Up for 5 minutes on treadmill
    Quads
    Barbell Squats
    Leg Press
    Leg Extension
    Hamstrings
    Lying Leg Curl
    Dumbbell Lunges
    Calves
    Standing Single Calf Raises
    Forearms
    Reverse Barbell Curls
    Dumbbell Wrist Curls
    Cool Down: Run 1 mile

    Day 5: Shoulders & Traps & Abs
    Warm Up for 5 minutes on treadmill
    Shoulders
    Dumbbell Presses
    Lateral Deltoid Raises
    SM Front Deltoid Presses
    Single Arm Deltoid Raises
    Traps
    Dumbbell Shrugs
    Barbell Upright Rows
    Smith Machine Shrugs
    Abs
    Hanging Leg Raises
    Abdominal Crunches
    Cool Down: Run 1 mile

    Day 6: Rest

    Day 7: Repeat routine

    My diet is pretty clean I mostly eat brown rice and chicken breast twice a day, overall i get 5-8 meals a day and consume 4k plus calories and I avoid sugars. (I wish i could count my calories intake but I don't have the patience for it but I will consume more while on this cycle)


    My cycle plans are for 20/20/30/40 or 20/30/30/40 depending on how it feels on the 2nd week.
    Other supps I'll be taking are mainly bulk powders like BCCA, Leucine, Glutamine, GABA, Taurine, Creatine, BA and Arginine, after the 1st week i'll stop taking pre-workout supps (NO-xplode, Vasocharge or Jacked)

    PCT
    I have a SERM on hand Tamoxifen (Nolvadex): 40/40/20/20
    I plan to get Formastane when its back in stock, and I currently have 6-Ox0 as well and I could get Nolvadex XT if needed.
    Other than that i plan to taking lots of MilkThistle or some other goodies i have laying around (Retain2, IGF-2, Anabolic Pump)
    Feel free to critic this section with your comments or recommendations, I'm open to all ideas.


    I'll be logging my workouts progress, strength and weight and any other relevant information regarding my cycle daily, I would post before and after pictures but 4 weeks is not along time to make a body transformation.

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    Week 1
    Did not feel any effect from epi on this first week, was running at 20mg from the get go, and felt no sides either.

    Week 2
    On this week I ran epi at 30mg and was not feeling any effect through the entire week, towards the end of the week started to feel my joints a little dry but it was bearable. At this point I started to think that I was a non-responder to this compound

    Week 3
    Starting from week 3 I bumped to 40mg on forward, my joints stayed dry till about mid week, by mid week I did not feel good not sure it this was at all related to my cycle or over training without enough rest, but my joints were dry and I have body aches then decided to go home mid day and sleep.
    After my long nap I felt much better and hit the gym the following day and thats when epi finally kicked in, from this moment on all my workouts changed... I'm getting great pumps in and out of the gym and strength is moving up steadily and so is all my lifts.
    Libido was up and not sides to report and I started to get an overall sense of well being. I' finally in the game on this cycle

    Week 4
    Continuation from week 3, feeling the full effect of epi, my workouts continue to be fantastic, all my lifts are way up and I'm doing more sets and more reps per exercise, strength has gone through the roof.
    My joins no longer hurt and I'm having the best workouts all my lifts are steadily up.

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    Awesome write-up. I personally wouldnt train forearms. Unless you are using straps and stuff, they are getting the work they need. Also, if you do insist on training them, dont train them on monday with a curl exercise when you are doing curls and back (which works out your forearms) the next workout.

    I also think it's a waste to dedicate an entire day to shoulder and traps. All three heads of the shoulder and traps are small muscles. I would train shoulders with your chest, and traps with your back. Something like this:

    Monday: Legs

    Squats or
    Front squats

    Leg presses (pick 1 of the squats + the leg presses)
    hips
    Lunges
    Calves
    heavy abs

    Tuesday

    Inclines Dumbbell Press
    Wide grip flat bench (index fingers on the rings)
    tricep push downs
    db side laterals
    db front raises
    pull-a-parts

    Thursday

    Bent-Over Barbell Row
    SLDL
    Wide-Grip Lat pulldown
    Reverse grip narrow grip pull downs
    Standing wide grip curls (or your favorite curl here)
    hammer curls or reverse curls
    heavy abs



    This allows maximum rest between back and legs.
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    natty, thanks for the feedback, i do tend to w/o my forearms once or twice a week i'm not happy with them if i want to wear short sleeve shirts when it gets warm
    your training routine sounds good as well, i'll be rotating my current routine on my 2nd or 3rd week since its been too long, i like your approach of 1 day on 1 day off.
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    I did an epi run in October, your goals are well within reach. My strength didn't go up much, but lean body mass was good.
    What's your cardio look like?
    Think training's hard,. try losing!
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    Day 1


    Day 1

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 186.4
    BF: 27.7
    I'll use these stats as my base to measure my progress, bf results are that accurate but thats what my scale tells me every morning, I have notice my bf drop by as much as 2 points during the day, in any case accurate or not hopefully its consistent even if wrong


    Training: Chest & Triceps & Forearms
    Warm Up for 5 minutes on treadmill
    Chest
    Incline Bench Press
    Bench Press
    Decline Bench Press
    Seated Pec Deck Butterflys
    Triceps
    SM Close Grip Bench Presses
    Rope Pushdown
    V Bar Pushdown
    Seated Machine Extensions
    Forearms
    Reverse Barbell Curls
    Dumbbell Wrist Curls
    Cool Down: Run 1 mile in 11:41 (I'll be tracking this in order to see my speed increase, eventually I'll run more than 1 mile)

    Workout Comments:
    I was the second person to arrive there today (I was too anxious to start this show on the road) they open at 7am, total workout time this morning was 1.5 hours got all my lifts in and had a good pump during chest w/o, i could feel the tingling sensation from BA well in to my w/o (really enjoyed that) and had time to talk with some ppl but need to cut that off and get out of there faster
    All lifts used today will be the base line for my progress.

    Cycle Comments:
    Took my first dose at 6:30am and second at 12:30pm, this morning I took 2 scoops of NO Xplode with my pre w/o drink but eventually I'll stop taking any NO products. Nothing else to report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonscott View Post
    I did an epi run in October, your goals are well within reach. My strength didn't go up much, but lean body mass was good.
    What's your cardio look like?
    welcome on board, I'm keeping my target goals on the light side so not to set my self up for disappointment and i intend to exceed them.

    my cardio consists of running after my workouts plus my warm ups, I know its not much and i'll be looking for ways to increase this but running more often or longer.
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    I like the cooldown 1 mile run. When I started back after the New Year, that's how I started off. It's paying off nicely, down about 10 pounds in 2 months. Startin' to see my abs!!! It's a good way to ease into it and stay motivated.
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    No need to wait for PCT for milk thistle since it's the Epi that's hard on your liver(and the SERMs too for that matter).
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatingisfun View Post
    No need to wait for PCT for milk thistle since it's the Epi that's hard on your liver(and the SERMs too for that matter).
    eatingisfun, I hear you on that! I bought mt in bulk and capped it, I'll be taking 4 caps with my night time drink, this will be 8-9 hours after my last dose so that it will not interfere with epi.
    During PCT i can take more and split it up though out the day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonscott View Post
    I like the cooldown 1 mile run. When I started back after the New Year, that's how I started off. It's paying off nicely, down about 10 pounds in 2 months. Startin' to see my abs!!! It's a good way to ease into it and stay motivated.
    thats pretty encouraging specially if you're talking about maintaining your muscle and dropping fat, I had done this running routine some ages back and started to see results but for what ever reason i stopped, I'm using this cycle as my motivation to stick to it!
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    Day 2

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 187 (+.4)
    BF: 28.7 (+1)

    Training: Back & Biceps & Abs
    Warm Up for 5 minutes on treadmill
    Back
    Hyperextensions
    Deadlifts
    Lat Pulldown
    Low Row
    Biceps
    Barbell Bar Curls
    Standing Cable Curls
    Single Arm Cable Curls
    Hammer Cable Curls
    Abs
    Hanging Leg Raises
    Abdominal Crunches
    Cool Down: Run 1 mile in 11:12

    Workout Comments:
    Got in the gym at 5am this morning and got a good workout... had a great pump while doing Single Arm Cable Curls and ended up doing a high volume and slightly raising the weight, overall it was good i completed all exercises including my cool down mile which i ran at 5.4 mph

    Cycle Comments:
    Took my first dose at 4:30am and second at 12:30pm, this morning I took 2 scoops of Vasocharge with my pre w/o drink as a pick me up, otherwise nothing else to report.

    tomorrow my first day off.
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    Day 3

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 186 (+.4)
    BF: 29.7 (+2)


    Workout Comments:
    today was my rest day and boy did I need it, I got home hell of late (11pm) so damn tired i didn't even take my night shake, I worked long hours and had a late dinner, tomorrow is my leg w/o day and I'm looking forward to that since its the heaviest lift day i should get some good pumps!

    Cycle Comments:
    Epi has not kicked in yet running at 20, first dose was taken this morning at 7:20am with the second dose taken at 12:30pm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DormantFiber View Post
    Day 3

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 186 (+.4)
    BF: 29.7 (+2)


    Workout Comments:
    today was my rest day and boy did I need it, I got home hell of late (11pm) so damn tired i didn't even take my night shake, I worked long hours and had a late dinner, tomorrow is my leg w/o day and I'm looking forward to that since its the heaviest lift day i should get some good pumps!

    Cycle Comments:
    Epi has not kicked in yet running at 20, first dose was taken this morning at 7:20am with the second dose taken at 12:30pm.
    I noticed epi working at end of week 1 with 20mg. 30mg was a fun ride, and 40mg has good strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid13 View Post
    I noticed epi working at end of week 1 with 20mg. 30mg was a fun ride, and 40mg has good strength.
    thats good to know... at the end of the second week I'll be running at 30mg at time I will gage how i'm feeling specially in regards to my strength and and how much my lifts will be up then decide to continue at 30mg or bump it up to 40mg... i think the trick will be if i can resist staying at 30mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by DormantFiber View Post
    thats good to know... at the end of the second week I'll be running at 30mg at time I will gage how i'm feeling specially in regards to my strength and and how much my lifts will be up then decide to continue at 30mg or bump it up to 40mg... i think the trick will be if i can resist staying at 30mg
    I only want to run a 4 week cycle so I also had the voice in my head telling me to jump up to 40 at week 3. 90 caps works out perfectly for 20/30/40/40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid13 View Post
    I only want to run a 4 week cycle so I also had the voice in my head telling me to jump up to 40 at week 3. 90 caps works out perfectly for 20/30/40/40.
    thats interesting.. using that protocol you'll end up using the entire bottle... something to consider later on!
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    Day 4

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 187.4 (+1)
    BF: 29.9 (+2.2)


    Day 4: Quads & Hamstrings & Forearms
    Warm Up for 5 minutes on treadmill
    Quads
    Barbell Squats
    Leg Press
    Leg Extension
    Hamstrings
    Lying Leg Curl
    Barbell Lunges
    Calves
    Standing Single Calf Raises
    Forearms
    Reverse Barbell Curls
    Dumbbell Wrist Curls
    Cool Down: Treadmill 1 mile


    Workout Comments:
    Got in the gym at 5am this morning and got started right away, over all had a very good workout that lasted 1.5hours, a bit too long for a week day w/o but thats always the case when working out legs, had really good pumps when doing leg presses but I dont think epi has kicked in yet, however i did 2 extra sets at 20 reps and it felt good, w/o was running too late and i had to get out early for a dentist appointment so i ended up skipping forearms and only did 1/2 mile on treadmill.


    Cycle Comments:
    Took my first dose at 4:30am and second at 1:30pm, i dont think epi has kicked in yet but i added extra weight to my squats and barbell lunges, walked out of the gym with some energy left.
    Tomorrow I'll do shoulders and traps, that should be a shorter w/o I will finish everything with time to spare.
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    keep it up......the epi should kick in soon
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    Day 5

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 189.6 (+3.2)
    BF: 29.7 (+2.2)

    Training: Shoulders & Traps & Abs
    Warm Up for 5 minutes on treadmill
    Shoulders
    Dumbbell Presses
    Lateral Deltoid Raises
    Front Deltoid Presses
    Single Arm Deltoid Raises
    Traps
    Dumbbell Shrugs
    Barbell Upright Rows
    Smith Machine Shrugs
    Abs
    Hanging Leg Raises
    Abdominal Crunches
    Cool Down: Run 1 mile in 11:12 @ 5.4mph

    Workout Comments:
    Got in the gym at the usual time 5am warmed up and did my shoulder w/o had some good intensity w/o with Front Deltoid Presses did extra sets and kept adding weight but then I faded. My legs are feeling good after yesterdays w/o they're getting tight.

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    Took my first dose at 4:30am pre w/o and second at 12:30pm with lunch, this morning I did not take any NO supplement to see if I would feel any effect from the cycle but it seems it has not kicked in yet.

    tomorrow my first day off and I need it in order to get ready for this weekend workouts, i like w/o in the weekends since i can spend more time at the gym
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    I dont read too much in to my weight on a day to day basis I like to average it out for the week that being said this is the closest I've been to 190lbs but i really want to see the bf drop by a good amount even if my scale is not accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DormantFiber View Post
    I dont read too much in to my weight on a day to day basis I like to average it out for the week that being said this is the closest I've been to 190lbs but i really want to see the bf drop by a good amount even if my scale is not accurate.
    Well I hope the best for you. I know your strength will go up for sure.
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    thanks, I've been following your log and can tell your doing great... I'm getting anxious for this epi to kick in
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    Quote Originally Posted by DormantFiber View Post
    thanks, I've been following your log and can tell your doing great... I'm getting anxious for this epi to kick in
    I felt a small extra push on day 8.
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    DF - Make sure you apply to run the new Formex. It will make your PCT that much more kick ass!
    Damn it - Please don't think I just plugged a product... I hate that sh*t!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    DF - Make sure you apply to run the new Formex. It will make your PCT that much more kick ass!
    Damn it - Please don't think I just plugged a product... I hate that sh*t!
    Seriously, apply.
    hehe... a little shameless plug in I like
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    Quote Originally Posted by DormantFiber View Post
    hehe... a little shameless plug in I like
    I really don't want to come off like that... seriously. I hate seeing that crap all over people's thread. I just thought I would give you a heads up; maybe a PM would have been more private.
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    no worries, thats cool..... Formex looks promising, I just ran across your other thread in case others missed it Sponsored IBE Formex Opportunity.
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    Day 6

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 188 (+1.6)
    BF: 29.2 (+1.5)


    Workout Comments:
    Today was my rest day and i got to sleep in late (7am), tomorrow I start my routine all over again with my chest w/o, I will have more time to spend in the gym and I'll try to duplicate my last chest w/o pumps.


    Cycle Comments:
    Today took first dose 7:20am with the second dose taken at 12:30pm, still no effect yet and I'll be bumping up the dose to 30mg on Sunday, stay tuned!
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    Here's my motivation song for tomorrow!!

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    I'll be finishing off listening to this....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DormantFiber View Post
    Day 6

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 188 (+1.6)
    BF: 29.2 (+1.5)


    Workout Comments:
    Today was my rest day and i got to sleep in late (7am), tomorrow I start my routine all over again with my chest w/o, I will have more time to spend in the gym and I'll try to duplicate my last chest w/o pumps.


    Cycle Comments:
    Today took first dose 7:20am with the second dose taken at 12:30pm, still no effect yet and I'll be bumping up the dose to 30mg on Sunday, stay tuned!
    Ready and waitin.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thaOrleanyte View Post
    Ready and waitin.....
    yep.... very ready and still waiting... it should be kicking in soon!
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    Day 7

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 189.4 (+3.0)
    BF: 28.7 (+1.0)


    Training: Chest & Triceps & Forearms
    Warm Up for 5 minutes on treadmill
    Chest
    Incline Bench Press
    Bench Press
    Decline Bench Press
    Pec Deck Butterflys
    Triceps
    SM Close Grip Bench Presses
    Rope Pushdown
    V Bar Pushdown
    Seated Machine Extensions
    Forearms
    Reverse Barbell Curls
    Dumbbell Wrist Curls
    Cool Down: Run 1.5 miles in 17:04

    Workout Comments:
    Overall I had a good workout, I was up 10-20lbs on all my lifts for the chest workout and I did many extra sets for the triceps. During cool down i ran 1.5 miles I still had energy left, total workout time 2hrs and 15min.

    Cycle Comments:
    Took my first dose at 6:30am and second at 12:30pm, this morning I took 2 scoops of vasocharge with my pre w/o drink, starting tomorrow I'm moving up to 30mg
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    Day 8

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 189 (+2.6)
    BF: 29.7 (+2)


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    This morning I go up with a major headache , I felt I needed more rest after yesterdays w/o and want this thing to go away, staying home and rest it what i need right now!
    Tomorrow is my back and bicep day!


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    Bumping up to 30mg today took first dose 6:20am with the second dose taken at 12:30pm and the third at 4:30pm, stay tuned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DormantFiber View Post
    Day 8

    Stats Up on waking:
    W: 189 (+2.6)
    BF: 29.7 (+2)


    Workout Comments:
    This morning I go up with a major headache , I felt I needed more rest after yesterdays w/o and want this thing to go away, staying home and rest it what i need right now!
    Tomorrow is my back and bicep day!


    Cycle Comments:
    Bumping up to 30mg today took first dose 6:20am with the second dose taken at 12:30pm and the third at 4:30pm, stay tuned!
    Have you had your bp checked?
  

  
 

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