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    Sunday Week two Stat update


    Stats as of 3-1-09

    Well I am excited to say I am still burning fat and actually building muscle. I am going to really be feeling out my approach to the show as the scale can no longer be an indicator of progress. I was worried that maybe I really needed to revamp my calories but from what I can tell the fat loss is pretty on point. I am going to work a little more on leaning out this weak and see what happens when PRIME really kicks in this week.

    Oh yeah, having some issues with skin not tightening up as fast as I had hoped. Making me look like I am carrying more fat than I am. When I do my skinfolds it is alway on point and I typically go with the higher of any 3 repeat attempts.

    Anyone got any "tricks" to tighten the old skin up for a show???????


    Age 36
    Skinfold Site Week 2
    Pectoral 4
    Abdomen 10
    Quadricep 7
    TOTAL 21
    Bodyweight 189
    Lbs change prev -1
    Lbs change beg -2
    % Bodyfat 6.87
    lbs Bodyfat 12.98
    Fat Mass prev -1.28
    Fat Mass beg -3.17
    % Lean Mass 93.12
    lbs Lean Mass 176.01
    Lean Mass Prev 0.28
    Lean Mass beg 1.17

    Week 2
    Body Part L R
    Quads 24 1/2 24 1/2
    Calves 16 3/8 16 1/2
    Forearms 12 1/2 12 5/8
    Arms 15 5/8 15 3/8
    Arms (flexed) 16 3/4 16 3/4
    Shoulders 51 5/8
    Chest 47
    Waist 32 3/8
    Weight 189
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Stats as of 3-1-09

    Well I am excited to say I am still burning fat and actually building muscle. I am going to really be feeling out my approach to the show as the scale can no longer be an indicator of progress. I was worried that maybe I really needed to revamp my calories but from what I can tell the fat loss is pretty on point. I am going to work a little more on leaning out this weak and see what happens when PRIME really kicks in this week.

    Oh yeah, having some issues with skin not tightening up as fast as I had hoped. Making me look like I am carrying more fat than I am. When I do my skinfolds it is alway on point and I typically go with the higher of any 3 repeat attempts.

    Anyone got any "tricks" to tighten the old skin up for a show???????


    Age 36
    Skinfold Site Week 2
    Pectoral 4
    Abdomen 10
    Quadricep 7
    TOTAL 21
    Bodyweight 189
    Lbs change prev -1
    Lbs change beg -2
    % Bodyfat 6.87
    lbs Bodyfat 12.98
    Fat Mass prev -1.28
    Fat Mass beg -3.17
    % Lean Mass 93.12
    lbs Lean Mass 176.01
    Lean Mass Prev 0.28
    Lean Mass beg 1.17

    Week 2
    Body Part L R
    Quads 24 1/2 24 1/2
    Calves 16 3/8 16 1/2
    Forearms 12 1/2 12 5/8
    Arms 15 5/8 15 3/8
    Arms (flexed) 16 3/4 16 3/4
    Shoulders 51 5/8
    Chest 47
    Waist 32 3/8
    Weight 189

    Yah Prime will recomp you very well, expect to lose fat and gain muscle that's what it does best.

    As far as skin tightening, time is the best thing. You can help by keeping your skin moist as possilbe with vitamin E creams but it does take some time for the skin to recover. The tricks are all in the poses, keep good posture and lose skin will not show as much.
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    Yeah, I noticed certain ways I hold my body that I look totally on point, very hard, and others my skin bunches up or gets loose around bottom abs or the nipple area. Well if it doesn't come down in time for this show (I will compete either way)hopefully staying pretty lean until the next show will tighten it up for then.

    Okay so don't laugh at me, but has anyone ever heard of bodybuilders using Preparation H a couple of days before the show to temporarily "shrink" the looser skin? I have heard in on more than a few occasions but have never actually met someone who has employed it.

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    Yah Prime will recomp you very well, expect to lose fat and gain muscle that's what it does best.

    As far as skin tightening, time is the best thing. You can help by keeping your skin moist as possilbe with vitamin E creams but it does take some time for the skin to recover. The tricks are all in the poses, keep good posture and lose skin will not show as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Yeah, I noticed certain ways I hold my body that I look totally on point, very hard, and others my skin bunches up or gets loose around bottom abs or the nipple area. Well if it doesn't come down in time for this show (I will compete either way)hopefully staying pretty lean until the next show will tighten it up for then.

    Okay so don't laugh at me, but has anyone ever heard of bodybuilders using Preparation H a couple of days before the show to temporarily "shrink" the looser skin? I have heard in on more than a few occasions but have never actually met someone who has employed it.
    yah I forgot about this one, it may help a little but I wouldn't expect miracles.

    Yes you will likely tighten up some for your second show.
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    Thumbs up Update and my new detailed diet plan.


    First I will give my basic update then I will give you my new meal plan that I formulated from everything I know about the supps I am currently taking so that diet and supps are completely synergystic.

    Okay, so yesterday I did cardio, no big deal. My legs were fatigued from the Centuries but not really sore so I had my work cut out for me. I finished and felt great.

    On to the big deal from last night. It was my daughters B'Day, she is 5 and does not understand anything about diets, only that Daddy told her he wasn't going to have any of her cake and well THAT DID NOT GO OVER WELL!!!!! SO I do a little quick thinking and BAM, I popped myself a P-Slin and 2 PRIME. About 15 minutes later I eat 7 grams chicken breast with 3 oz guacamole salad. I was hoping the protein and fat content of the meal would eliminate the possibility of the insulin rush after introducing all of the simple sugars by severely slowing the absorbsion rate. If so then only P-Slin would be active pushing all of the blood sugar and nutrients into muscles instead of fat. We went home did the cake thing. I got myself a nice peice of cake and some ice cream, icing and everything, I have to admit it was great and yet entirely to sweet at the same time. SO I am assuming I pounded down 100-200 easily. I waited for an hour and a half then took 2 PowerFull, and 2 more PRIME hoping for that extra nutrient partitioning effect.

    WELL... I woke up this morning with a SERIOUS PUMP! Oh how I wish I hadn't been covering the early shift because I was already swolen from last night. When I put my normal workshirt on it was tight around the arms and shoulders just like I had finished my morning weights. NOW THAT'S WHAT'S UP! I wore an identical shirt yesterday washed in the same load and it was not tight like that so it wasn't due to being washed diffrerently. I imagine I would have had a KILLER workout if I could have gone. That is okay, I will AP up before tonights workout then P-Slin my way out of it!!!!!


    I have spent some time over the past few days trying to find the best and easiest to follow meal plan for the current supps I am on so that I get a synergystic effect from combining the nutrients and supplements at the right times. Below is what I have come up with and I think I will see great progress this way.


    Basic Diet Lay Out

    Meal 1 42p, 35c, 7f
    Meal 2 42p, 15c, 15f
    Meal 3 42p, 25C, 7f
    Meal 4 42p, 15c, 15f
    Meal 5 42p, 25C, 7f
    Meal 6 42p, 15c, 15f


    Fat Sources:

    Virginia Peanuts 1 oz: P=7 F=13 C=6-3fiber
    Almonds 1 oz: P=6 F=15 C=5-3fiber
    Average for nuts 1 oz: P=6 F=14 C=6 -3 fiber


    Carb Sources

    1/2 Red Grapefruit p=1, F=0, C=16-6 fiber
    3/4 cup Blueberries P=1.5, F=0, C=16-3 fiber
    1/2 Cup Oatmeal p=5 f=3 c=27-4 fiber

    Protein Sources:
    SPECIAL NOTE: I listed protein powder in my plans for most meals but these are actually the meat choices I will select from for my whole food meals. I try to get 3 in a day but some days as bad as only 1.

    Chicken Breast 1oz p=7 f=1 c=0
    Pork Loin (trimmed lean) P=7 F=1.5
    Ground Sirloin (cooked) p=7 F=3 C=0
    Salmon 1 oz P=6 F=2.5
    Tilapia 1 0z p=7 F=1
    Whole Egg p=6 F=4.5 C=1
    Egg White p=4

    Meal Plan Staples

    1st meal
    1/2 Cup Oatmeal = 27c, 3f, 5p
    1/2 cup blueberries = 10.5g 2 fiber 1g P
    1 cla cap F=1
    1 1/2 scoops WP = 36p 5c 4f - 1 fiber

    Meal Totals
    P=42, F=8, C=43.5-(8 fiber) 35.5g
    424 calories or 378 minus fiber


    3rd 5th meals
    1/2 Cup Oatmeal p=5 f=3 c=27 -4 fiber
    1 cla cap F=5
    1 1/2 scoops WP = 36p 5c 4f -1 fiber

    Meal Totals
    P=41, F=8, C33-6 fiber 27g
    368 calories, minus fiber 344
    3 & 5 Combined Calories 736 or 688-fiber


    Meals 2,4

    1 1/2 scoops protien powder
    36p 5c 4f
    1 0z Nuts p=6.5g f=14g C=6 - fiber 3
    1/2 Red Grapefruit p=1, F=0, C=16 - 6 fiber

    Meal Totals
    P=43.5 F = 18 C = 27 - 11 fiber
    444 minus fiber 400
    888 or 800


    Meal 6

    1.5 scoops WP P=36, F=4 C=5 -1 fiber
    1 0z Nuts p=6.5g f=14g C=6 - fiber 3
    1/2 cup Blueberries P=1 F=0 C=10.5 - fiber 2

    Meal Totals
    P=43.5 F=18 C=21.5 - 7 fiber
    422 minus fiber 394


    Daily totals fiber included
    Protein= 254.5g, 1018 calories 41.2%
    Fat = 78g, 702 Calories 28.4%
    Carbs = 185g, 740 Calories 29.9%

    2470 Calories


    Fiber Excluded breakdown
    Fiber = 52g
    Carbs 133g 532 calories 23.5%
    Protein= 254.5g, 1018 calories 45%
    Fat = 78g, 702 Calories 31.%

    2260 Calories

    Weight Days feeding schedule surrounding workout:

    Wake take 1/4 tsp 1-carboxy,and 1 AP 2 PRIME 2 PowerFULL 2 squirts Sesamine, 1/4 tsp Salvia
    15 minutes later,leave for gym start sipping on Workout drink
    25g Xtend BCAA and WMS = 15g sip throughout workout.
    Complete workout = take P-Slin and Cissus

    15 minutes later = 2 PRIME 2 PowerFULL, 1/4 tsp Nettle Root,
    3/4 cup Blueberries P=1.5, F=0, C=16 -3 fiber
    1 cup OatMeal P=10, F=6 C= 54 - 8 Fiber
    1.5 scoops WP P=36, F=4 C=5 -1 fiber

    Meal Totals
    P=46.5 F=10 C=90 - 12 fiber
    Calories W/Fiber = 636
    Calories W/O Fiber = 588

    Weight Day Daily Totals

    Calories W/ Fiber 2682
    P=259 1036cal 38.6%
    F= 80 720cal 26.8%
    C=231.5 926cal 34.5%

    Calories W/O Fiber 2470
    P=259 1036cal
    F= 80 720cal
    C= 177.5 710 26.5%
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    Reps again for the dedication and details.

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    Update


    Weights last night. Cardio this morning. General feel.

    I did my weight workout last night the gym was ridiculous so the wife and I came home and lifted in the garage. It was a tad bit chilly at first but nothing bad at all.

    Flat Bench 265x5, 275x6>215x10>145x10

    Chins - BWx17, BWx8>Jump negativesx5 > Wide grip pull down 110x11

    Seated Military Press Behind Neck: 145x10, 145x9>95x10>45x15

    Skull Krusherz: 125x10, 125x6>75x9

    EZ Bar Curls 125x6, 125x5>75x6

    On schedule was for legs was Hack Squats, decided to perform post cardio this morning since I do not have a hack machine and really wanted to work that angle.

    Jump to morning cardio session:
    Bike level 10 for 35 minutes plus cool down, 380 cals.
    My legs were totally pumped after riding the bike, felt like I had been squatting or something. Awesome pump from cardio... GOOD STUFF!

    Hack Squat Machine:
    365x6, stopped early, I had a bad angle and lots of pressure on knee, went down in weight for second workset.
    315x10>225x12, moved legs further forward, knee seemed better could have been less weight. I will feel that out on next time around I think foot placement was the issue.

    Experience so far:
    I have to say that all in all I feel great! Strength seems to be remaining pretty constant while on low cals.I have not lost much if any weight. I weighed in again this morning at 190, but am looking leaner, and a little fuller since incorporating the AP and P-Slin. I have been losing bodyfat each week which is really good considering the lack of much actual weight loss.
    I actually find myself feeling very good at times. Euphoric might be the way to desribe it, however I am also VERY Alpha Male right now. I find myself more aggressive than usual. So when it is time to be aggressive, I have turbocharged aggression that turns on like a light switch. Not like a bad temper however it does flare on occasion. I think this is probably directly related to the extra free testosterone from the Nettle Root and the Saponins in PowerFULL. I actually feel like I am physically ready for just about anything at any moment.

    So far this has been a great stack and a great experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    ...

    Experience so far:
    I have to say that all in all I feel great! Strength seems to be remaining pretty constant while on low cals.I have not lost much if any weight. I weighed in again this morning at 190, but am looking leaner, and a little fuller since incorporating the AP and P-Slin. I have been losing bodyfat each week which is really good considering the lack of much actual weight loss.
    I actually find myself feeling very good at times. Euphoric might be the way to desribe it, however I am also VERY Alpha Male right now. I find myself more aggressive than usual. So when it is time to be aggressive, I have turbocharged aggression that turns on like a light switch. Not like a bad temper however it does flare on occasion.... I actually feel like I am physically ready for just about anything at any moment.

    So far this has been a great stack and a great experience.
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    Todays workout, notes and advice request.


    Todays workout, notes and advice request.

    DB Incline Bench: 100x10, 100x8>75x4>50x3

    Hammer Dorian Row 163 per side x6, 163psX4>118x6>63X8

    Machine Lateral Raise 120x10, 110x6>90x5>60x3

    Leg Press 8 platesx12, 9px8>8px6>7px4>6px4>5px4>4px4

    What a drop set!!!!
    Awesome, could barely walk after, almost lost my cookies after this one. Totally burned myself out. My system was revolting by the time I got done with the drop set. I had to lower my weights for Close Grip Bench

    Close Grip Bench 185x12, 185x8>145x6

    DB Curl (supinated grip no rotation): 45ps x10, 45ps x6>35x4>25x3

    Seated Calf raise: 125x15

    I only did one set. I have a bruised bone on the ball of my foot and then direct pressure on it was hurting so I didn't do a second set.

    Overall Feel is still pretty much great. I do notice a little bit of an issue with blood sugar dropping a little coming up on the meal following my AP or P-Slin. Man that stuff must be good to be eradicating the blood sugar like that. I am eating mostly only complex carbs minus the blueberries, and grapefruit. Oh yeah the 15 g of WMS on weight days and that is ingested over the course of an hour and a half. Nothing that should cause any insulin spikes so it is all AP and P-Slin taking doing all of that. Pretty amazing when you think about that fact it isn't putting much if any of that into fat cells unlike real insulin. I think it may have to do with the lower fat content of the higher carb meal. Who knows, but I am assuming it will drop weight off of me quickly without sacrificing muscle. Also, I am really not getting sore anymore. I come out of the gym thinking I am going to be limping or hurting the next day or two and at the most is a light almost electrical twinge of soreness or just a feeling of fatigue in the muscle. I am very impressed with this aspect of the stack.

    Oh yeah, I got my bulk SuperSaponins in yesterday, I added 1.8 grams of this to my normal pre workout supplementation. Had great level of aggression as you can tell by the way I attacked the leg press today.

    Nonsensical information...
    Since I have started this stack and been leaning up one of the BIG (6'1-6'2 270-ish) guys at the gym has for some reason become my official leg humper. I still have scratch marks on my calves from his dew claws this morning. The past two weeks he has been noticing the change and is asking me some type of training question or start up a conversation at least 4-5 times in any given workout. NOW... How do I politely tell this guy to please allow me to workout without interruption and to come to the sauna if he wants to talk. I hate it when people come up to me when I am training, huffing and puffing headphones on psyching myself up for my next set and tada. "Hey man what does holding that bar that way do?" or something worse like just nonsense, telling me the weight he is lifting is really heavier than marked. just trying to be funny. Help me come up with a way to politely tell him that is not appropriate and is effecting my intensity, See I have to do this with out getting all Alpha Male, and man how am I supposed to do that when right now I am a PRIME example of what an Alpha Male is?
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    Update sorry busy/rough weeked


    Sorry I have not been on to update. We had layoffs last week at work and well. Some of my team made it and some didn't. The rest of us had to clean up after everyone that got let go. Pull back all the equipment and what not. THen I had a birthday party. A day ful of errands yesterday just WHEW!!!

    I will say I kept up with my workouts and had a great one. I will post up more later right now is very hectic. I will have a few progress pics too.
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    I put an update on here earlier and it is missing. I will copy it from my other computer tomorrow and put it back up.
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    PICS!!! Yesterdays missing update.


    Okay first I have to say that I have had a heck of a past few days. We had lay offs last week 2 of which were my best friends at work. I had a birthday party / slumber party to host this week, had someone move. On top of that one of the people who are gone was from my team so I have more work to do now. Hence the lack of updates. I am back on the update wagon and am happy to say I have not deviated from my workouts or nutritional plan.

    Here is the info from this mornings workout. I also will put up some of what I can remember from my workout Saturday it was kind of a blur and I didn't have anything with me to log my weight or reps.

    Hammer Flat Bench - 4 plates 6
    DB Pullovers 110x11 110-7
    Deads 385x7 385x6
    BW Dips 30, 15

    This morning's workout

    DB Flat Bench 110x7 110x6>85x4>65x5

    Hammer Dorian Row 143psx10, 143ps8>90x7>45x8

    Standing Military Press (behind neck) 155x6, 155x5>105x6>55x7

    Close Grip Bench 235x4, 235x5>165x6>135x3

    Curls 110x7, 110x5>80x5>60x5

    Squats 285x15, 315x7x>285x5

    Seated Calf raise 125x15, 125x9

    Over all feel and other notes:

    I felt a little weaker than usual this morning, but I have cut my calories last week so maybe I am feeling that. All in all training is a very push it as hard as I can type of thing. I am feeling out my body as I go. I have noticed that my blood sugar is getting a little low now that I have added the ReCreate back in. Find myself needing / wanting to take a nap in between some meals. I am still having a lot of the Alpha Male feeling and have been able to almost fight of the gloom of the layoffs due to the slight euphoric feelings at times.

    I took some pics this weekend and will post them up in my profile. Some of the ones I took outside are very washed out from all of the light but you can see the loose skin I have been telling you about. It is a conern for me now that I am getting closer to the show. I may need to cut calories again but I am not sure as my skinfolds show little fat but I look heavier so I am assuming I have done something wrong or it is just my extra skin and there may be nothing I can do at this point. Either way... I must continue to move forward.


    Feel free to make any comments. I am a little concerned about my skin issue at this point but I am going to keep working at everything like I am just reading the calipers wrong and am a little heavier than I am reading. I can fix that. I put comments regarding each pic on my profile. Issues I need to address type of thing.

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    Update


    This morning treadmill 45 minutes 5 minute cool down 575 cals.
    Ab work, and home. All nutrition and supplementation is normal.

    Feel:

    I have to admit that in general I feel great but since adding in the ReCreate I feel my blood sugar get low at times. Since I can't just up the carbs I am going to have to stim my way through it for a bit. I know this is putting me in a state of fat loss I am just trying to manage not to fall asleep just before my lower carb higher fat meals.

    I still have my aggression and workouts are really rockin. I feel like I am getting a little weaker that last workout but I am dieting so that can be expected. I can't remember but I don't think I slept well the night before either. We are 3 days into my 3rd week and so far, and other than toying with the ReCreate and blood sugar I am enjoying the stack completely. I am going to work on a way to stay on the ReCreate, I may just find that I do not do well with it. We shall see.
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    Ok there is some loose skin... all you can do is hit it with some moisterizing creams and hope it tightens up some. You can however use some posing help. Do you have a second set of eyes... cuz most of your poses have you not standing tall enough which will make things like loose skin show up more. If your more upright in your poses that will stretch your skin out some. Don't crunch down, make yourself tall and large... keep that chest pointed at the sky.
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    Thanks, I will do that. I intend to set up my camcorder in my garage tonight to start just that. I definitely want to display my physique as best as possible. Hopefully that will really help me out. I imagine I will get taken off less for having modified a pose to better suit me than I would for displaying the sharpei look.
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    Today's workout and notes:


    Oh Man Oh Man Oh MAN!!!! I had another rough and tough workout today. I am definitely a little weaker but once again I have cut my calories and increased my cardio so I guess that is to be expected. I see that I am getting leaner, and today I weighed in at 190 so the weight is staying and the fat is dropping. Not a bad contest prep eh?

    My Workout today

    Incline Bench: 235x4 225x10>185x6>135x4

    Pull Ups BWx10, BWx10>bw-40x10>bw-80x6

    Wide Grip Upright Row: 105x10, 105x10>95x6 stopped there tendonitis was flairing up.

    DB Overhead Triceps extension: 110x10, 110x9>85x8>70x5

    DB Hammer Curls: 45x10, 45x6>35x8>25x5

    Hack Squats: 365x10, 405x10>315x8>225x9

    Lying Leg Curls: 150x10, 150x7>120x6>90x5

    Donkey Calf Raise 380x15, 380x15

    General feel:
    Yesterday I had a great day blood sugar wise I never fealt like I was getting weak or ready to pass out like I had the few days before. I didn't really change too much but yesterday was different. So far today I really don't feel like I am going to have that issue. I took my second dose of ReCreate almost 2 hours ago and I haven't experienced the feeling yet. Other than this mood has been great. I still feel like I am King Sh*t! I finally got a little sore again after pushing the squats a little harder, I noticed it yesterday evening,but it is gone now. LOL I hope my quds get the same from the Hacks today.

    Nutritional Changes. I cut out about 10-15 grams of carbs from the meal surrounding my weight workout. Just not a comfortable feeling having had that much oatmeal and I really don't want to feel bloated. That and I think it is a nice and easy way to lower calories marginally. I believe that next week I may stop the P-Slin and go with an AP before my unfed workout and another AP as soon as I finish lifting and then just go with 20-40 grams carbs to get the nice recomp effect without the extra carbs and calories. The week following I will probably cut out the carbs in my last meal as well.
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    Cool Day 26


    So today has been great. I got up this morning and my foot wasn't hurting to badly so I decided to run on the treadmilll for the first time in a while. I had been doing nothing but walking the incline. I put that bad boy on a level 6 and ran for 45 minutes straight. I felt wonderful, fulll of energy and proud of myself when I finished. My buddy that talks to me while I try to workout even came up and held a converstaion with me during most of my last 5 minutes and I was able to take part in it without slowing down. It was just awesome to have that type of stamina on something I hadn't done recently. I weighed in at 189.75 this morning so I am pretty on point I think. The fat really seems to be coming down now. I think the closer I get the more noticeable the small changes are becoming. I really can't wait for the show. I just feel dominant so I feel I am going to tear it up at the show. Good to feel positive like that. I love this stack. All of the layoffs and everything else around me and I have still managed to keep my head up. I would have normally let all of this have a larger effect on my stress levels.

    Run on treadmill: 45 minutes 5 mile per hour, 4 miles, 664 calories.
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    I am very happy with results this week. I have not lost any weight but my skin folds went down noticeably.

    I don’t have a lot of time unfortunately so I will just give yesterdays workout and today stats this week. I will put up better pics tomorrow…. Well my internet connection went out on me yesterday so this I am putting up my log today. I will probably post up again later today if I get a chance. I took some better pics with a different camera. Unfortunately the self time was stuck on 3 seconds so I was having to jump in front of the camera and try to pose before it shot. LOL. Pictures could be better with someone else at the camera. LOL WELL CRAP 4RTH TIME NOW TRYING TO POST UPDATE!!! AAAAUGGHHHHH!!!!!! So much for that euphoric feeling eh? LOL I will have to come back to do pics. Connection is horrible.

    Workout
    Bench 275x5, 260x6>235x8>185x5
    Wide Grip Pull Ups 12, 8>6 chin>10 70 pull down
    Behind Neck Standing Military Press 155x8, 155x6>105x12>95x6
    Trap Bar Dead Lifts 325x12 375x13 375x8>325x10>275x10
    Over Head Curl Bar Triceps Extension 125x12, 125x10>75x8
    EZ Curl 125x10, 125x7>75x6



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    Date: 3/15/2009
    Skinfold Site Start, Week 1, Week 2, Week 3, Week 4
    Pectoral 6, 5, 4, 4, 3
    Abdomen 12, 11, 10, 11, 10
    Quadricep 8, 7, 7, 7, 6
    TOTAL 26, 23, 21, 22, 19
    Bodyweight 191, 190, 189, 188, 188

    Weight change from beginning - -3
    % Bodyfat 8.46, Week 4 - 6.22
    lbs Bodyfat 16.15, Week 4 - 11.7
    Fat Mass change from beginning - -4.45

    % Lean Mass 91.54 Week 4 - 93.77
    lbs Lean Mass 174.84 Week 4 - 176.29
    Lean Mass Change from beginning - + 1.45

    Start Week 4
    Body Part L, R, L, R,
    Quads 24, 24, 24 ½, 24 1/2
    Calves 16, 16 1/8, 16 ¼, 16 3/8
    Forearms 12 ¼, 12 ½, 12 ¼, 12 1/2
    Arms 15 1/8, 15 1/3, 15 5/8, 15 5/8
    Arms (flexed)16 5/8, 16 5/8, 16 ¾, 16 3/4
    Shoulders 51 9/16, 51 3/4
    Chest 47, 46 15/16
    Waist 33, 32 1/8
    Weight 191, 188

    From my stats and measurements I am going up in areas I want and down where it needs to be going. I am VERY HAPPY with my results so far.
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    Gaining mass while cutting .... gotta love it!! With a herbal product to boot!!
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    Great results so far!

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    Combined update - Internet down yesterday.


    Yesterday's update. Well attack of the bad connection again. My ISP is done for. I ordered AT&T U-verse yesterday because I am OVER COMCAST!!!

    I had another great workout today was pumped and feeling strong. I think my weakness in the morning has been from my body turning back to using carbs for energy a little more so my unfed workouts are suffering a little. I had my P-Slin and meal an hour before my workout and just smashed it.

    DB Bench press 120x7, 120x5>90x5>65x4

    Cable Row Wide grip palms facing each other: 140x10,
    140x9>110x8>90x5

    Hammer Strength Shoulder Press: 115ps x10, 115ps x10>90x10>45x7

    Curls 115x9, 115x7>85x6>65x5

    Leg press giant set 5px10>6pX5>7pX5>8pX5>9X5>8pX5> 7pX3>6X3
    P = 45 lb plates

    Leg Extension 240x9>210x7>190x6

    Leg Curls 140x10>110x8>90x5

    Overall Feel:
    I am feeling like superhero or something just full of positive aggression. I feel like I found the key to what was the waining strength even though I am gaining muscle. Carbs!!!!! I got my body used to running off of fat most of the time so my weights were pretty constant on the low carb diet. Since introducing AP and P-Slin I have increase my carbs by almost 300% which is still pretty low by other standards. Well having carbs to run on is AMAZING when I am fed and working out, but after an overnight fast I just don't have the blood sugar to power me through like I had before.

    So I have a decision to make here.
    Do I?
    A: Get up an extra hour early and take an AP or P-Slin and wait 15 minutes have some carbs then try to Nap?

    B: Set the alarm for 15-20 minutes earlier and have an AP, 2 ReCreate and water next to my bed, take it then snooze for 15 minutes get up and slam 10-15 grams of WMS with 3 PRIME get dressed and go to the gym while sipping on my workout BCAA and 10 g WMS drink.

    C: Suck up my ego continue lifting just a wee bit lighter and rejoice in the fact that I am burning more fat by working out in the fasted state. All the while the BCAAs along with my AP, Prime, and PowerFULL are keeping me in an ANABOLIC STATE and I AM STILL GAINING MUSCLE!!!!! Yes I know I was yelling but I AM EXCITE ABOUT THAT!!!!!!!

    Well Honestly only the last two are options I am willing to take. SO what do you guys think?

    A question for those of you who are versed in the usage and methods of AP or P-Slin: With this being in the morning after a fast it seems there is a high possibility of the WMS causing an insulin spike regardless of the AP and or P-Slin. Does this seem to be the case in anyones studies or anectdotal info? If not aware of this. Your body tends to have a bit of a memory when it comes to insulin secretion. If your last meal caused and insulin spike due to high simple carb content then the following meals it takes less carbs to elicit a similiar response in insulin secretion. That being the case, would result in my body producing more insulin throughout the day to lesser carbohydrate doses thusly increasing fat storage and other negative sides of insulin? I do not want to program my body for this first thing in the morning.

    That being said, who has input?
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    I am all for giving he ego a kick in the asss... I get caught up in this myself all the time. I want to lift more weight when the lighter weight enables me to reach my goal, because I can use better form and get better contractions. We have to remember why were doing this, were not powerlifters. Lifting extra weight to impress that sweet little number in the tight black spandex is not going to do us much good, who incidently is much more impressed with how good you look and could not give a damn how much you lift.
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    I made the decision last night to do a combination of both A, and C. I am going to suck it up on Tuesday and Thursday then have a nice P-Slin / meal supported workout on Saturday when I have the oppurtunity to refeed, but only for the next two Saturdays. After that I am going to cut out the larger carbohydrate meals required by P-Slin and only use the Anabolic Pump which works well with less carbs.

    Unfortunately I love hitting the weights hard and heavy. I am never doing it to impress anyone else but myself. That continuous drive to do better make my mind want to see weights increasing and when they go down AAAAUUUGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!! Of course the other part of me, that new part that is starting to enjoy the discipline and challenge of the diet and competition prep is loving the results in the mirror. I just have to remember my goal right now is only appearance based and the only reason to use the p-slin these last two times is to get those last bursts of growth and anabolism, and not to lift heavier.

    Oh yeah, you are SOOOOO right about the ladies, they love the abs and cuts more than the snorting, growling, and heaving of watching us lift heavy. However, I am a gross sweaty fool with two towels at my gym one for me and one for the equipment I use. So I can't be looking too sexy to anyone. LOL

    As for this week it looks like I will have had the oppurtunity to have fed workouts all week. My son is with his Dad so the wife and I can't go to the gym in the morning before work because no one would be home with our 5 year old. We have had to work out later in the day. So I guess it comes at a good time in the contest prep before I have to start shutting the carbs down more. Here is to a SWOLE week!
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    Positive Aggression gone wrong...


    Well there I was rushing to finish my preworkout meal as i left work so I could work out in the garage. Standing on sidewalk waiting for my wife to pick me up for an extra 30 minutes begins the frustration but no big deal. I surf the forums with my blackberry and continue to ook at my watch. Okay good she gets there just in time to only throw my supplement schedule off by about 15-20 minutes. I tell myself no big deal I can workout 30-45 minutes later. We are running late so a friend picks up my daighter from daycare we go to get her. Another added 15 minutes. NOOOO.... So we get home and I take my Jack3d, 3 PRIME,3 PowerFULL and another 1.5g SuperSaponins. I was really planning an all out war on the weights!!!!! I give my supps the time to kick in and I mean I am AMPED UP LIKE A SNORTING BULL within 20-25 minutes. I get out start to warm up. Well a bad situation arose and I had to go back in to deal with it.

    Now honestly my mind was only on that workout. It was THE workout. I had been craving this all day like it was a crack fix or something. Well I don't know if you have ever been around a junky when you are getting in the way of there fix but my mind kept going back and forth between the crap I was being forced to deal with and the fact I was missing what I had set up to be the most aggressive workout I had in a while. Well apparently being that Jack3d up, intense and aggressive already while getting pushed to my limits triggered what I can only assume was the fight or flight response in my pituitary gland because I had a major flash of anger. I did not direct it at anyone but I sure flew off the handle no less. Well it was a short lived burst of fowl language and and anger kind of like a bull ride 8 seconds of bucking snorting and letting everyone know being near me is not where you want to be right now. Well I calmed myself rather quickly because I recognized I was a grown man having a temper tantrum.

    However the damage was done!The surge of adreneline had left me with nothing left. By the time I got out to the garage 2 1/2 hours after my pre-workout meal and a temper tantrum,I had to push as hard as possible to lift weights that are normally easy to me. Even between sets I felt weak and finishing the workout was almost impossible.

    So just remember this guys, setting yourself up for being aggressive can occasionally back fire. Watch your temper when on stims and what not and remind yourself if feeling angered that hey I intentionally made myself aggressive for the weights I need to limit my aggression to that. I wasn't hurtful to anyone just I just embarrassed myself. I am only warning you BECAUSE MY WORKOUT SUCKED AS A RESULT!!!

    On another but similiar note to anyone who competes. Do you find yourself getting more aggitated any time something gets in the way of your schedule? Curious if this is typical stress of the competition prep as well.
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    Yesterdays post


    I was a little confused by my stats below. I have a strong suspicion where some of the differences come from but am not exactly sure now of what my actual body weight was through out the span of the log. I had been weighing on a normal floor scale at my house. Well this morning it was all over the place, as far as weighing goes. I had been having to move it around pretty much all this time to try to get it in the same spot it was before so the readings would be right. Not sure how succesful I was. Well this morning I just decided that I was going to go up into the gym unfed not having had a drink or anything and weigh myself. To my surprise I was 183, the other day I weighed on it at the gym and I was 186 after having eaten twice and drank a good 64 oz of water already. So I think perhaps my home scale has been overweighing. I am also looking much leaner than I did last week, and don't look smaller. I will post up my pics with this or later today. I have nottaken them but I see a lot more definition in the mirror than I was last week. Out of curiosity I did run some numbers I think that my home scale was 5 lbs off, so I ran the numbers at a more reserved 3 lbs off just to see. I put some of those adjusted weight numbers below jut to maybe see where I probably came from. The most important reason I am redoing this is that my progress up to now is how I am gauging the rest of my approach. Now looking at the measurements from the beginning to last week to this week from an oerall aspect I think the measurements confirm my suspicions that my scale at home s off. Even though it is a rest day Sundays I am going to take the time to drive to the gym to weigh myself on the triple beam scale for accuracy. As you can see regardless of which chart last week was a bad week for me. I even lost muscle, I missed a some meals due to a lot of stress and craziness at work. Not even time to make a shake. Well this week I WILL make sure to get my meals in. I think I will get that muscle back. On a positive note my waist was 31.5 inches today! That is a good loss. Also this actually puts me closer to landing in the middle weights instead of light heavy, and I think that is too my advantage. I assume I had at least a pound of close and my shoes on if not more so in trunks I am probably 181 right now so the 176 1/4 is very doable now.



    Skinfold Site Start Week 4 Week 5
    Pectoral 6 3 3
    Abdomen 12 10 9
    Quadricep 8 6 6
    TOTAL 26 19 18
    Bodyweight 191 188 183
    Weight change from previous -0 -5
    Weight change from beginning -3 -8
    % Bodyfat 8.46 6.22 5.90
    lbs Bodyfat 16.15 11.70 11.10
    Fat Mass change from previous -1.80 -0.60
    Fat Mass change from beginning - 4.45 4.45
    % Lean Mass 91.53 93.77 94.09
    lbs Lean Mass 174.84 176.29 172.19
    Lean Mass Change from Previous - 1.81 -4.1
    Lean Mass Change from beginning - 1.45 -2.64


    Measurements
    Start Week 4 Week 5
    Body Part L R L R L R
    Quads 24 24, 24 1/2 24 1/2 24 1/2 24 1/2
    Calves 16 16 1/8, 16 1/4 16 3/8, 16 1/4 16 3/8
    Forearms 12 1/4 12 1/2, 12 1/4 12 1/2, 12 1/4 12 1/2
    Arms 15 1/8 15 1/3, 15 5/8 15 5/8, 15 1/2 15 1/2
    Arms (flexed) 16 5/8 16 5/8, 16 3/4 16 3/4, 16 1/2 16 1/2
    Shoulders 51 9/16, 51 3/4 51 3/4
    Chest 47, 46 15/16, 46 7/8
    Waist 33, 32 1/8, 31.5
    Weight 191, 188, 183

    Adjusted weight would be 188,185,183

    ADJUSTED WEIGHT LBM, and Fat Mass percenages.

    Skinfold Site Start Week 4 Week 5
    Pectoral 6, 3, 3
    Abdomen 12, 10, 9
    Quadricep 8, 6, 6
    TOTAL 26, 19, 18
    Bodyweight 188, 185, 183
    Weight change from previous 0, -2
    Weight change from beginning - -5
    Fat Mass change from beginning -4.38 -4.98
    lbs Lean Mass 172.09, 173.47, 172.19
    Lean Mass Change from Previous 1.77, -1.28
    Lean Mass Change from beginning 1.38 0.09
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    update


    Well I was going to put pics up but I haven't been able to post to this site for a while now. I am actually looking pretty good and the loose skin is lessening as my skin folds go down.

    Today I did cardio, 45 minute treadmill interval training. I burned 618 cals. I ate every meal and everything as I should. At lunch I went out and ran 1.5 miles out and walked back quickly to cool down . Was excellent!
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    Update and hopefully pics will post.


    First I would like to say that the intial reason I began this log was to get my money back if the USP Labs products did not deliver. Well I am happy to say that I am only logging this for the documentation and pure apprectiation for what the products have helped me achieve in my contest preparation so far. I will post up a few more pics I snapped this morning just to show you the differences just a week made. My workouts have been amazing recently and I am really enjoying my preparation. I feel very confident in my ability to win my class and more importantly once I know my posing is down I will even be confident that the overall is within my grasp. I will trake time to get some of my weights from my past few workouts up soon but bottom line is if this this log was a daily thing that was almost a chore when the responisbility was to the money back guarantee but now I have no concern for that part of it and only educating others on the fact this has been the best stack I have used to date, and I have used a lot of supplements over my 24 years in the game.

    Well I tried to update my pics and still get an error uploading so here is a link to a progress video I shot last week. You can see I have come a long way in the past month and a half.

    I just wanted to get a good look at myself, my USPLabs stack testimonial didn't have good light and I want to see the fruits of my labor. - AnabolicMinds

    Here are my stats as off yesterday as well.

    Start Week 6
    Body Part L R L R
    Quads 24 24 , 24 3/8 24 3/8
    Calves 16 16 1/8 16 1/4 16 1/5
    Forearms 12 1/4 12 1/2 12 3/8 12 1/2
    Arms 15 1/8 15 1/3 15.25 15 1/2
    Arms (flexed) 16 5/8 16 5/8 16 3/8 16 1/2
    Shoulders 51 9/16 51 5/8
    Chest 47 46.5
    Waist 33 31 1/4
    Weight 191 182

    Skinfold Site Start Week 6
    Pectoral 6 3
    Abdomen 12 8
    Quadricep 8 4
    TOTAL 26 15
    Bodyweight 188 182
    Weight change from previous - -1
    Weight change from beginning - -6
    % Bodyfat 8.46 4.93
    lbs Bodyfat 15.90 8.97
    Fat Mass change from previous - -1.94
    Fat Mass change from beginning - -6.92
    % Lean Mass 91.53 95.06
    lbs Lean Mass 172.09 173.02
    Lean Mass Change from Previous 0.82 yes recovered some muscle mass
    Lean Mass Change from beginning 0.92

    Most measurements are actualy up from beginning except for shoulders, waist, and which I was holding a good amounf of fat on.
    Last edited by MrKleen73; 03-30-2009 at 03:05 PM. Reason: Pictures will not post. Put link to progess video on instead.
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    So you dropped almost 7 lbs of fat and gained almost a pound of muscle mass... this used to be impossible in natural contest prep. You may be competing as much as 8-10 lbs heavier than you might have without these products... Everybody reading this thread stop and think about that. Yes the rules have changed...

    I was wondering if the tremendous ability for this product to help you retain mass while cutting continued to be significant when you got closer to contest body fat. I guess my question is answered. Damn that means I could probably compete at 220 or so... fuk!!
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    Damn!! just looked at the vid... what a transformation!! You look both bigger and way the fug leaner!!
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    Amazing isn't it!


    Even though I cut calories last week I gained lean mass just from actually gettin my meals in. Consistency is key there. Now I am trying to get weight off so I can land in the middleweights. I think I should be able to dominate that weightclass in a novice class. Most of my skin has tightened up, just a tiny bit under my chest a very litle on my lower abs and some at the bottom of my back. I think all of it will be gone or of no consequence by the show and drying out. I am extremely excited and cant wait to see the finished product.
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    Oh yah you will do very well in that class, exciting times!
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    P-Slin carb refeed every 3rd day.


    I wanted to update everyone on some dietary changes. I have dropped the daily carb meals for the next few weeks in an effort to pull down the pounds and get my body ready for some super compensation on game day. I am also using this approach because it is my first competition and I want to do at least one or two deplete and refeeds to simulate peak weak. I have the mass right now to get away with it and will hopefully be able to come in with some psuedo experience having already done so. My training is already basically similiar to most of the glycogen depletion workouts I have seen so starting tomorrow evening I am cutting back on water starting some normal diuretics and will begin testing some of my methods to dry out. This week I am testing the bathtub dehydration method to see how it works. I will try to document the differences in some before and after pics or a video. Wish me luck!

    I had the carb meal that Snagency suggested to me the night before last. I did as he suggested and took the P-Slin then slow fibrous veggies, fat, then oats then fruit.

    Wow, I woke up with a pump yesterday morning, well at least looking very full. I have been running low carb again for the past week, and apparently had finally started depleting some carbs and well the supercompensation of the refeed is noticeable to say the least.

    On another note, I weighed in with no shoes today and am just under 180 of course I need to go and do it on the triple beam at the gym but I know that I have lost some weight. All water I am sure with how many carbs I have cut.
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    Don't do to many depletes and refeeds too close to contest. I have always suspected that refeeds of this nature work better when done less often. Like your body gets desensitized by the repeated carbups. It's just a theory and maybe you should ask Snag.. the nutrient partitioning products may alleviate some of this problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Don't do to many depletes and refeeds too close to contest. I have always suspected that refeeds of this nature work better when done less often. Like your body gets desensitized by the repeated carbups. It's just a theory and maybe you should ask Snag.. the nutrient partitioning products may alleviate some of this problem.
    I mentioned it to him the other day. He seemed to think at least one would be a good idea to get the idea. I may not totally deplete myself for the bathtub attempt, just see how much water it gets subcutaneously. From what I have read so far you do not need to be quite as depleted with that method. However if it works well I still have to consider timimg my tan application around it and possible moisture soaking in through skin afterwards. I guess it is an issue with this method. So I will keep my diet as normal and instead of my typical carb meal I will do a clena carb up through out the day as I would on game day. Then back to eating as usual on Sunday. This will also give me an idea of where I need to be scale weight to make weight howver I am not very concerned about that at tis point. I only have 3 lbs to go in 5 weeks time. I imagine I will see a few Lbs drop from the dehydration so I am confident about acheiveing 176.
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    Your way ahead of schedule which is good, you will be able to get really thin skinned...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Your way ahead of schedule which is good, you will be able to get really thin skinned...
    I am hoping so. I have really upped my posing practice this past week and plan to have my routine set by the end of this weekend then it is only perfecting it. I think all of the extra posing is really going to help me with that hard dry look too. A goal I have set for my self is to get where I can hold each pose for 1 minute without it becoming sloppy or too shaky. I think between that and regular routine practice I should have greatposing stamina by the time the show rolls around. I am about half way there on a lot of them and they are getting better and better.
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    Yah and Arnold use to say posing is a good way to get rid of excess water under the skin..
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    Maybe I should practice in the sauna. I already do my crunches and what not in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Maybe I should practice in the sauna. I already do my crunches and what not in there.
    I think I've heard of that...
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    Update, and tested dryout method over the weekend.


    Well I had a hectic week this past week and a hectic weekend but after it was all said and done it was nice and productive. I did a nice all cable workout on the free motion well all cable except for the legs, I did reverse hack squats and went filled both sides full with 45 lb'rs. Tore a few sets out there and then went and did leg extensions followed by good mornings on the back extension bench. I had a great workout. I tried a little bit of dirty carb loading, yes I know.... Then I soacked in the tub with some epson salt for about 20 minutes just to get an idea of how much water it could pull from my skin. Well I was dry mouthed all night, made myself not take a drink I woke up about 3 lbs lighter than I went to bed, and my skin was dry. Ten minutes into my morning cardio, very low impact... My veins were just popping out from everywhere, unfortunately the poor food choices upset my stomach so I had to stop for a restroom break and that is when I noticed it even more... My legs were even vascular up on the top of the thighs. Normally you can see a trace of a vein here or there. THis was full on vascularity, even now my arms are very vascular and I am not even doing anything but typing. I did not even carb back up. I just went with what came from last nights pump. I am not 100% sure this is the way I want to go though. I will probably stick with a more traditional approach to drying out until I have time to perfect this one.

    On another note I am stopping my carb refeeds for now. I am maintaining weight even though on lower cals so I am cutting these for at least the next two weeks. I think this should start the weight dropping again. Hard to get weight down now. The muscle doesn't want to budge to come down, I have actually gained a little MORE lean mass this week with these supps, so going to have to do serious work on getting the sugar and carbs out of the muscle for a bit. Let em swell back up game day.
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