Started Havoc 1/9/09

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  1. First of all I dont consider myself a body builder. I 'm 5'6 210 stocky with muscle under a layer of fat, and about 30%bf. I started Havoc on Jan 20, what I noticed right away was I'm thirsty a lot and drinking twice as much water as usual. I'm also hungrier. Needless to say my weight is up, a few pounds from 210 last week to 215 tonight, however, my body fat % seems to be down.

    I know this is probably all water weight, yet I dont feel bloated. I eat about 2000-2600 calories through out the day, with meat, fish, or chicken at least 4 times day. Instead of a leg workout, I'm hiking a steep hill with switchbacks at least once a week otherwise I try to get 30-45 minutes on a treadmill, eliptical, stairmaster, etc.

    I'm blessed with muscular legs so I dont worry too much about weight training them. I have always weight trained so I have some muscle mass especially in my pecs and traps

    What I hope to gain are some prominent deltoids and more defined biceps and triceps.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Frankster View Post
    First of all I dont consider myself a body builder. I 'm 5'6 210 stocky with muscle under a layer of fat, and about 30%bf. I started Havoc on Jan 20, what I noticed right away was I'm thirsty a lot and drinking twice as much water as usual. I'm also hungrier. Needless to say my weight is up, a few pounds from 210 last week to 215 tonight, however, my body fat % seems to be down.

    I know this is probably all water weight, yet I dont feel bloated. I eat about 2000-2600 calories through out the day, with meat, fish, or chicken at least 4 times day. Instead of a leg workout, I'm hiking a steep hill with switchbacks at least once a week otherwise I try to get 30-45 minutes on a treadmill, eliptical, stairmaster, etc.

    I'm blessed with muscular legs so I dont worry too much about weight training them. I have always weight trained so I have some muscle mass especially in my pecs and traps

    What I hope to gain are some prominent deltoids and more defined biceps and triceps.
    You should start up a new thread and log your progress. It would be nice to see some tape measurements along with weight, pulse or striaght cycle, PCT?, and all that good stuff. Welcome to AM and good luck.:thumbsup
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  3. Day 16
    Morning weight 225 flat. Feeling good today. Did shoulders. Was very happy with progress being made. I believe I will make tonight my cheat night and eat some stuff i want to eat. Depends where we go out. Been pretty good on this diet since start.

  4. Day 17
    Morning weight 226.
    Swayed from the diet a bit last night and had chicken parm and some pasta. could have been a lot worse lol.

    Did arms today. Pumps are still good.....I do sweat profusely when doing any kind of cardio now. I have cut most of it down to about 15 min after workout due to just being wiped after workouts.

    No sides really. Just a bit more tired than from the beginning.

    I saw my cousin yesterday and hadn't seem him in three weeks and he told me good job on losing weight.....lol......I told him I was actually up 7 pounds. I think I am noticing a leaner look too.

    Oh wells, I need to relax.....I am beat

  5. Should have posted earlier. I see the exercises you did in cerain days but what is your split (items, rep range, exercises plan, etc).

    Also, what are your planned macros and total calories.

    Thanks. Keep up the good log!
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  6. Day 18
    Morning weight 226.
    Was planning on taking off tonight, but we will see......supposed to get walloped by a storm Tues night into Wed so might not be able to make it one of those two nights or even both so might try to squeeze out chest tonight.

    I usually do:

    chest and upper legs
    Back and a small two workout on biceps (want to improve biceps the most)
    Shoulders/traps/calves
    Arms (biceps and triceps)
    Then repeat. Typically try to go two days on, one off, then 3 on, one off if possible. All depends.

    chest
    flat bench dumbell - 4 - 5 sets; 10 reps until last set which is most weight for 6 - 8 reps
    incline (same sets as above)
    flys (same sets as above)
    Decline bench (every 2 - 3 weeks with same as above)

    Back
    Wided grip pulldowns
    Single arm row
    two handed row
    Close grip pull downs
    Bent over rows
    Rear pulldowns
    Every 2 - 3 weeks I try and do deadlifts

    Shoulders
    Shoulder Press
    Front raise (plates, dumbells, or cables)
    Delt row (on the bench)
    Rear Delt Raises
    Single arm shoulder press ( forgot name of machine)

    Arms
    triceps - Skullcrushers, dips, kickbacks, close grip bench, Pushdowns (both hands and then single handed), reverse pushdowns
    Biceps - seated curls, preacher curls, concentration curls, cable curls, hammer curls

    Legs - pretty basic - squats, press, ham curls, leg curls (quads)

    Pretty much follow for chest and back 4 sets with 10 reps and last set is max weight up to 6 - 8 reps
    Arms are 3 sets of 10 for each
    Shoulders are 4 sets of 8 - 10 for each

    right now I am not calorie counting. Doing more carb counting and protein counting to be honest. Figuring i am keeping on average between 200 and 250 grams of carbs per day.


    BTW...doing cariod 15 - 25 min each time I go which "says" it is burning 200 - 300 cals....eh.

  7. well, evening workout was chest. Very tired today but still did ok. Pumps were nice as usual.

    Also did legs. Back pumps were VERY bad tonight. could not do cardio and just left afterwards.

    Anyways, posting some pics now. first was from Day 7, the next was from today, Day 18.

    Yes, I know I need to cut eventually. I just never got into it in the past...just went for strength.

    anyways, have fun with picking on me LoL




  8. btw...my left nipple looks awkward cause I had surgery in that area when i was younger

  9. Maurice

    I read all the logs-- thanks for posting! good job man


    on 1/21/09--- your piss got darker and mostly or was this way in the AM..


    how is it now? have you gotten any bloodwork?

    reason i post this is cause my BUN (part of the kidneys function---other test would be creatinine) was elevated a bit with Havoc so be careful with the dark urine ---

    like others said-- more h2O

    prob its darker in AM cause you are not drinking water (obviously) as you sleep so you are getting more concentrated urea in the AM...

    check into the bloodwork, my liv enzymes were up a bit as well but I told my MD about the Epi -- hes cool and I continued on since it wasnt a big deal---
    he didnt even call me to tell me things were messed up (which they always do if) but I went in to get a copy to see changes from the Havoc (if indeed there were)

    boo

  10. Quote Originally Posted by boo99 View Post
    Maurice

    I read all the logs-- thanks for posting! good job man


    on 1/21/09--- your piss got darker and mostly or was this way in the AM..


    how is it now? have you gotten any bloodwork?

    reason i post this is cause my BUN (part of the kidneys function---other test would be creatinine) was elevated a bit with Havoc so be careful with the dark urine ---

    like others said-- more h2O

    prob its darker in AM cause you are not drinking water (obviously) as you sleep so you are getting more concentrated urea in the AM...

    check into the bloodwork, my liv enzymes were up a bit as well but I told my MD about the Epi -- hes cool and I continued on since it wasnt a big deal---
    he didnt even call me to tell me things were messed up (which they always do if) but I went in to get a copy to see changes from the Havoc (if indeed there were)

    boo
    hey thanks for that. Won't be getting bloodwork until after PCT. Piss is still darker in the morning, but it is not like it was right when I switched to 40mg. I have to drink close to 2 gallons now a day to keep it a lighter yellow. If i stray, it gets dark yellow but is no longer a "tea" colored.

    Definitely will get bloodwork and keep an eye on things.
    Thanks!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    hey thanks for that. Won't be getting bloodwork until after PCT. Piss is still darker in the morning, but it is not like it was right when I switched to 40mg. I have to drink close to 2 gallons now a day to keep it a lighter yellow. If i stray, it gets dark yellow but is no longer a "tea" colored.

    Definitely will get bloodwork and keep an eye on things.
    Thanks!

    welcome man

    ya def. get the bloodwork--- its just as important, to me, as a well thought out and executed PCT

  12. up the taurine for the back pumps!
    “We are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, excellence is not an act, but a habit.”

  13. Overall, it seems Epistane worked fantastically well for you. This is a good log, pls keep it updated. I'm subbed.

  14. Thanks
    Def gonna up the taurine. Woke up this morning and just feel blah. Eh, it happens.

    Anyways, morning weight of 227 flat.
    No workout tonight. Expecting 5 - 7 inches of snow between tonight and tomorrow so hopefully can work from home and then get to the gym earlier tomorrow evening.

  15. subbed Maurice, keep it up

  16. This is one f the best logs I've seen, nice work. And good job on the gains, man!

  17. I hope he'll let us in on the bloodwork, too. A german user of Epistane had a pretty horrible experience with it, his HDL went downhill.

  18. Looking like things are going good for ya man. I am at day 18 and have noticed the darkened urine thing also. Like you it is always more noted first thing in the morning. So your up 7 pounds now?

    I am at day 18 and have NOT noted any of the sides you are seeing. No acne, my libidio is still just like before, no shrinkage, but i have been feeling the low back pumps lately, been doing taurine 3 grams pre and post workout.

    Keep up the good work man

  19. Quote Originally Posted by ffmedic32 View Post
    Looking like things are going good for ya man. I am at day 18 and have noticed the darkened urine thing also. Like you it is always more noted first thing in the morning. So your up 7 pounds now?

    I am at day 18 and have NOT noted any of the sides you are seeing. No acne, my libidio is still just like before, no shrinkage, but i have been feeling the low back pumps lately, been doing taurine 3 grams pre and post workout.

    Keep up the good work man
    hey thanks

    Yeah got back acne centralized in my back. libido died quick though on me.....about a week in I guess. oh wells. And my nuts are smaller.

    Day 20 morning weight is 228.5

    Yesterday I wasn't feeling too hot. Got sweats all throughout the day and just did not feel normal in the head. I think I just needed to rest up. Got 10 hours of sleep and feel fine right now. Gonna head into work late today and hopefully get out to do back and cardio tonight.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    I hope he'll let us in on the bloodwork, too. A german user of Epistane had a pretty horrible experience with it, his HDL went downhill.
    yeah I will get it done after PCT and note any negative changes.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by SpargelJanusz View Post
    I hope he'll let us in on the bloodwork, too. A german user of Epistane had a pretty horrible experience with it, his HDL went downhill.
    me too

    mine went from 103----->29

    however since I cleaned up my diet totally--- the TC (total cholesterol) went from 168---->101 so Im still at the 3 ratio which is OK

  22. Hoping to get some responses here since I am coming up on my 4th week. Not sure how much strenght/size increase to expect now.....or leaning out.......suggestions or opinions?

    Also, safe to say that I should run it 40 mg for the 4th week as usual? I was considering 50mg for week 5 if I run it out that long. What do you guys think?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    Hoping to get some responses here since I am coming up on my 4th week. Not sure how much strenght/size increase to expect now.....or leaning out.......suggestions or opinions?

    Also, safe to say that I should run it 40 mg for the 4th week as usual? I was considering 50mg for week 5 if I run it out that long. What do you guys think?
    More is not always better. You've made nice gains so far. I don't think extending it for a 5th week would add much more. Carry on with the 40mg as planned Thats what i'd do
    “We are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, excellence is not an act, but a habit.”

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Chub View Post
    More is not always better. You've made nice gains so far. I don't think extending it for a 5th week would add much more. Carry on with the 40mg as planned Thats what i'd do
    law of diminishing returns. 5th week will likely give you gains, but reduced gains at a much higher cost to your body. Look at it like this, going ahead with pct means you are 1 week closer to starting a fresh clean new cycle.

  25. I would go ahead and start the PCT as well. Might as well get out while you are this far ahead bro!
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