Started Havoc 1/9/09
- 01-28-2009, 03:53 AM
- 01-28-2009, 08:50 AM
I hope he'll let us in on the bloodwork, too. A german user of Epistane had a pretty horrible experience with it, his HDL went downhill.
- 01-28-2009, 09:27 AM
Looking like things are going good for ya man. I am at day 18 and have noticed the darkened urine thing also. Like you it is always more noted first thing in the morning. So your up 7 pounds now?
I am at day 18 and have NOT noted any of the sides you are seeing. No acne, my libidio is still just like before, no shrinkage, but i have been feeling the low back pumps lately, been doing taurine 3 grams pre and post workout.
Keep up the good work man
01-28-2009, 09:43 AM
Yeah got back acne centralized in my back. libido died quick though on me.....about a week in I guess. oh wells. And my nuts are smaller.
Day 20 morning weight is 228.5
Yesterday I wasn't feeling too hot. Got sweats all throughout the day and just did not feel normal in the head. I think I just needed to rest up. Got 10 hours of sleep and feel fine right now. Gonna head into work late today and hopefully get out to do back and cardio tonight.
01-28-2009, 09:45 AM
01-28-2009, 01:05 PM
01-28-2009, 01:31 PM
Hoping to get some responses here since I am coming up on my 4th week. Not sure how much strenght/size increase to expect now.....or leaning out.......suggestions or opinions?
Also, safe to say that I should run it 40 mg for the 4th week as usual? I was considering 50mg for week 5 if I run it out that long. What do you guys think?
01-28-2009, 01:45 PM
01-28-2009, 01:56 PM
01-28-2009, 03:06 PM
01-28-2009, 03:14 PM
Thanks guys. I will stop then at either Day 28 or Day 30 and start my nolva then along with Lean Xtreme.
01-29-2009, 10:25 AM
Morning weight 230.5.......weight recently flew up for some reason. Diet has been the same, if not less than what I was eating (skipped oatmeal yesterday).
Lethargy has been rearing its ugly head. Been hard to get out of bed in the morning and feeling pretty tired throughout the day.
Overall body feels sore....did back yesterday and put up great weight, but back pumps were insane. Had to stop a few times. Can't do deadlifts...hurt too bad.
Heart rate on the ARC machine has dropped a lot since start.....that is a big plus for me.
01-30-2009, 09:37 AM
Morning weight 230.5
Still been feeling rather tired throughout the day and just overall "strange"
Today is shoulder day.
Nothing else new to report.
01-30-2009, 10:19 AM
02-01-2009, 04:17 AM
Morning weight 230
Overall been tired. Back pumps are continual throughout the day. General feeling of soreness, moody, etc.... Back is painful along with abdominal area for some reason.
Been told I look like crap...haha
Also kinda feel that any gains I am making now are just more "fat" than anything. Kinda was considering stopping earlier than Day 28 but might as well continue it out.
Planning on starting Nolva and Lean Xtreme at end of this week. Then PCS 2 weeks after that.
anyways, I do have a question. I want to start the Dave Palumbo diet and am anticipating on losing 20 - 30 pounds by May. When would it be safe to start that. That diet is practically very very high protein and little to no carbs.
02-01-2009, 01:51 PM
02-01-2009, 01:58 PM
02-02-2009, 04:31 PM
i just stumbled on this thread, i seem to be having similar effects to what ur talking about. i started a havoc/furazadrol recomp cycle a week ago (logging it, gonna add in DCP next week) , but im noticing some things already.
i was wondering if u ever got the sleeping worked out? the first 6 days i pretty much did not sleep until like 3 or 4 am every night, it was pretty miserable. i thought it was just due to the timing of my last pill, and i stopped taking it aqbout 6 hours before i sleep, but i had a similar problem last night, just waking up frequently to piss. this is a major concern, as its gonna be a bit hard to make gains when im not sleeping well. (Aside from the obvious health concerns with it)Are u still having problems with this or did it subside naturally
02-02-2009, 06:19 PM
02-02-2009, 08:18 PM
Morning weight 232. I ate Sh!t for superbowl. Had pretty much a whole thin crust pie and a bunch of wings. I needed a cheat day...big one I mean lol. been sick of the same crap every day.
Overall just TIRED as anything. Feel weak but workouts are great. Had my PR of bench with dumbells on flat bench today.....110x8.
but overall just feeling like total crap. Just want to sleep.
As for BF%, no I didn't which I should have. It is strange because I definitely leaned out in the shoulders, chest, arms, but fat is seeming accumulating in my gut again. That has always been my biggest trouble spot.
As for sleeping, it has cleared up about a 1 1/2 weeks in......sleeping like a baby. But having some seriously wacky dreams.....passed three nights I got into car accidents in my sleep...hmmmm....and the last one I hit a car with three asian people in it and they went flying across the road and then sped off......these things are vivid!
As for my PCT, I do remember when I did hdrol that keeping my intake the same led to some more fat despite the lean xtreme. I think I am going to cut down on carbs considerably and take 3 - 5 protein shakes a day (double scoop to get close to 50g of protein). I am very carb sensitive. Probably will keep the oatmeal and just cut out the afternoon PBJ along with 1/2 the carbs at lunch.
Figuring I am ending between 230 and 235 on this. I need to lose 25 - 30 pounds by summer....I know I can do it if I do atkins but that makes me weak. I did it two years ago and lost 18 pounds in a month. Upped the cardio, no carbs.....slimmed down quick.
I know you are not supposed to cut during PCT, but would combining something like leviathan or DCP with lean xtreme be ok or should I wait 2 - 4 weeks.
Again, PCT is
Nolva (40 for the first two days then 20 for the remainder of the week) and then 20/10/10
lean xtreme on day 1 of PCT
Post cycle support starting Day 15 of PCT.
02-02-2009, 08:53 PM
btw.....looks like I am going to kick it up a bit and order a bottle of DCP tomorrow....hopefully it will be here in time for PCT.
02-02-2009, 09:06 PM
I'm on day 15 of my cycle. 7th day at 30mg. I think my body is taking 30mg a day pretty well. I do feel pretty tired in the afternoons and a bit zombie like but apart from that its going great,
“We are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, excellence is not an act, but a habit.”
02-02-2009, 09:07 PM
02-03-2009, 07:07 AM
02-03-2009, 12:33 PM
02-03-2009, 01:10 PM
Morning weight 230.5
Ahhhh, lost some of that excess food lol. Just tired still. nothing else to report.
Plus I am sick today so no gym.
02-04-2009, 09:51 AM
Morning weight 230.5
Starting to slowly cut back the carbs. During PCT I will be having 3 - 4 double scooped (46g protein) shakes throughout the day. Still will be enjoying my oatmeal in the AM but cutting out the PBJ and mid day carbs. Gonna up the chicken consumption during the day and night and more green veges.
hoping to balance out the loss of carbs with intake in protein, thus leading to a decent attempt at some fat loss through PCT without losing muscle.
02-04-2009, 11:35 AM
BTW....updating my PCT as follows
Weeks 1 - 4 = Nolva/Post Cycle support/Lean Xtreme/DCP
From what I was told this should serve as a pretty good PCT. Starting the PCS on Day 1 with Nolva as advised, and the combo of DCP/Lean Xtreme should lead to some fat loss while keeping up endurance as well as muscle mass.
02-04-2009, 03:17 PM
02-04-2009, 10:11 PM
Evening of Day 27
Did back....good workout but generally just tired now. Back pumps were bad bad bad.....dosed quite a bit of taurine...oh wells, expected.
Anyways, if anyone has any comments on my PCT please let me know.
Secondly, I need to cut.....I have no clue what my BF% is but it is not good LoL. I am gonna post up some pics now.
I am super carb sensitive...always have been. I am hoping that if I boost up the cardio to burn 300 - 350 5x a week and cut down the carbs I should do ok during PCT. Gonna keep protein way up there.
Any suggestions will be appreciated. I am hoping the combo of DCP and lean Xtreme do me well. DCP has shipped from Nutra......if it is here tomorrow I will start PCT Friday. IF not, I will wait till it comes and start the day after.
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