Started Havoc 1/9/09

[maurice02]

Did chest today and yep, havoc is definitely working. My previous last sets of flat bench dumbells were 75x10 and 90 x 6
Today I did 90 x 10 and 100 x 5. Almost back to where I was with Hdrol. When I took hdrol I maxed at 100x10 and 105 x 6
Lets see if havoc pushes it up. My weight is staying pretty much the same yet I feel that I am looking leaner.

I heard the 2nd and 3rd weeks are the best so hoping for it.

[maurice02]

Day 10
Morning weight 222
Did shoulders today. Strength is up. Used the shoulder press machine with the plates and was previously maxing at 230x8 and today did 230x10 and 250 x 6

I am seeing a lot of veins under the skin but nothing on the surface really yet. Also been having a lot of pain in both of my elbows and wrists so figuring they must be drying out a bit and need to up the fish oil

[Graglor]

Day 10
Morning weight 222
Did shoulders today. Strength is up. Used the shoulder press machine with the plates and was previously maxing at 230x8 and today did 230x10 and 250 x 6

I am seeing a lot of veins under the skin but nothing on the surface really yet. Also been having a lot of pain in both of my elbows and wrists so figuring they must be drying out a bit and need to up the fish oil

Good stuff Man!!! So up four pounds, and increased vascularity. MUST be leaning out. Keep up the good work!

[maurice02]

Is it normal to have a decreased appetite while on Havoc. I am getting to the point that I am just not really hungry anymore.

Just curious......

[maurice02]

Day 11
Morning weight 221.5. Today is day off from the gym.

[maurice02]

btw......I am now also using taurine which I picked up from GNC this weekend. Doing hamstrings I was feeling some bad back pumps.

Coming up to the beginning of week 3 this week and contemplating bumping the dose to 40mg........still unsure at this point. Arm workout is tomorrow, chest workout Wed, and back workout Thurs then off again on Friday.

considering tonight is a night off, I may "cheat" and order some sushi and hot and sour soup!

[Graglor]

Is it normal to have a decreased appetite while on Havoc. I am getting to the point that I am just not really hungry anymore.

Just curious......

Anyone?

[jeffh3c]

Anyone?

My appetite was through the roof. Not sure why appetite would be depressed.

[maurice02]

Day 12
Morning weight 223
I ate sushi and hot and sour soup last night. Guess it is probably still sitting in my stomach LoL.
anyways, tonight I do arms.

Trying to bump up food intake
8 am - protein shake
9 am - 1 1/2 cups oatmeal, 1 banana
10:30 - 1 banana, 3 eggs
11:30 - 1/2 cup brown rice, 12 - 16oz chicken
1 pm - whole pbj sandwich on 15 grain bread
2:30 - 3 eggs
6 pm - workout
8 pm - protein shake
8:30 - dinner (chicken or steak and veggies)



Question: has anyone previously done say 40mg on workout days and 30 mg on off days? would it be worth it?
I was considering bumping it to 40mg today to see how it felt at the gym tonight.....just wondering.

[jeffh3c]

Day 12
Morning weight 223
I ate sushi and hot and sour soup last night. Guess it is probably still sitting in my stomach LoL.
anyways, tonight I do arms.

Trying to bump up food intake
8 am - protein shake
9 am - 1 1/2 cups oatmeal, 1 banana
10:30 - 1 banana, 3 eggs
11:30 - 1/2 cup brown rice, 12 - 16oz chicken
1 pm - whole pbj sandwich on 15 grain bread
2:30 - 3 eggs
6 pm - workout
8 pm - protein shake
8:30 - dinner (chicken or steak and veggies)



Question: has anyone previously done say 40mg on workout days and 30 mg on off days? would it be worth it?
I was considering bumping it to 40mg today to see how it felt at the gym tonight.....just wondering.

You should be working out on your "on" days and doing your off days on your cardio/non lift days. This is one of the premises of the pulse. Not taking 1 day off PH after 2 days and having one period of 2 days off in a row is as well, so plan lift days accordingly. The off days is where your body says "oh, ****. I guess I -do- need to keep up the test production. We have a serious fall in test, so ramp up production". The next day when you dose again, you get your natural rebound test plus the havoc. This is why pulse works so well is the low shutdown and all.

i.e.

monday- legs/biceps - 40mg havoc. 20 prior and 20 about an hour after lift
tuesday - chest/back - same
wed- off or cardio/abs
thursday - Shoulders/abs
friday - biceps/triceps
sat/sun - cardio ok but take at least one day TOTALLY off and this is your 2 days in a row with no PH's

[maurice02]

Thanks.
I think I just need to explain better. I wasn't looking to pulse completely. I was looking to take like 40mg on days that I workout and 30mg on days that I don't. still running it at five weeks. Or not sure if that defeats the purpose and once you bump the dosage you should keep it there.

[maurice02]

Well I bumped it to 40 mg today. It seems to have been well worth it. I did arms today and had a wonderful strength increase. It seemed crazy to me. Pumps were hard...I swelled up pretty good and it got a bit painful at one point but I liked it. Strength in my eyes is totally better than hdrol and only on Day 12.

Only thing is my nips felt a bit itchy....could be mental right now, not sure, just felt a tad itchy after the gym. Could they be itchy that quick after increasing the dose.....what do you guys think?

[dsade]

Well I bumped it to 40 mg today. It seems to have been well worth it. I did arms today and had a wonderful strength increase. It seemed crazy to me. Pumps were hard...I swelled up pretty good and it got a bit painful at one point but I liked it. Strength in my eyes is totally better than hdrol and only on Day 12.

Only thing is my nips felt a bit itchy....could be mental right now, not sure, just felt a tad itchy after the gym. Could they be itchy that quick after increasing the dose.....what do you guys think?

Nipple sensitivity DURING cycle would be highly rare, due to the nature of the compound.

seems like 40mg is your sweet spot.

[maurice02]

Gotcha, probably just mental or it was the shirt I was wearing was rubbing. Thanks Dsade. And yeah, 40 mg is NICE to say the least. I also upped my carbs a bit more today. I added in one more banana and a full pbj sandwich instead of half.

I like this stuff. lol.

[ffmedic32]

Day 12
Morning weight 223
I ate sushi and hot and sour soup last night. Guess it is probably still sitting in my stomach LoL.
anyways, tonight I do arms.

Trying to bump up food intake
8 am - protein shake
9 am - 1 1/2 cups oatmeal, 1 banana
10:30 - 1 banana, 3 eggs
11:30 - 1/2 cup brown rice, 12 - 16oz chicken
1 pm - whole pbj sandwich on 15 grain bread
2:30 - 3 eggs
6 pm - workout
8 pm - protein shake
8:30 - dinner (chicken or steak and veggies)



Question: has anyone previously done say 40mg on workout days and 30 mg on off days? would it be worth it?
I was considering bumping it to 40mg today to see how it felt at the gym tonight.....just wondering.

Hey man IMO your diet looks a little weak, that is if your truly trying to gain weight with this cycle. According to your post you have 3 eggs at 230 then dont eat again till 800, thats an 5 1/2 hour fast in the middle of your day. I dont have my diet dialed in exactly yet either, but I am up like 5 pounds at day 10 of my cycle.

My diet looks something like this

0530~ Protein Shake
0600~ Incline walk on treadmill
0700~ 4 Large Eggs, 4 Egg Whites, 2 cups oatmeal
1000~ Protein Shake, Almonds, spoon full of PB
1230~ Can of Tuna, 2 Slices of Whole Grain Toast, Slice Fat-Free Cheese, Sunchips
1430~ 2 Slices of Whole Grain Bread, 6 oz deli turkey, fat free cheese slice
1500~ Workout
1630~ Post-Workout Shake and PBJ Sandwich
1800~ 8oz Baked Salmon, 2 cups brown rice, 2 cups steamed veggie
2000~ Either a shake or can of tuna and a sweet potato
2200~ 2 cups fat free cottage cheese and sugar free jello

[maurice02]

Hey man IMO your diet looks a little weak, that is if your truly trying to gain weight with this cycle. According to your post you have 3 eggs at 230 then dont eat again till 800, thats an 5 1/2 hour fast in the middle of your day. I dont have my diet dialed in exactly yet either, but I am up like 5 pounds at day 10 of my cycle.

My diet looks something like this

0530~ Protein Shake
0600~ Incline walk on treadmill
0700~ 4 Large Eggs, 4 Egg Whites, 2 cups oatmeal
1000~ Protein Shake, Almonds, spoon full of PB
1230~ Can of Tuna, 2 Slices of Whole Grain Toast, Slice Fat-Free Cheese, Sunchips
1430~ 2 Slices of Whole Grain Bread, 6 oz deli turkey, fat free cheese slice
1500~ Workout
1630~ Post-Workout Shake and PBJ Sandwich
1800~ 8oz Baked Salmon, 2 cups brown rice, 2 cups steamed veggie
2000~ Either a shake or can of tuna and a sweet potato
2200~ 2 cups fat free cottage cheese and sugar free jello

yeah i was trying for more of a recomp with only lbm. Trying to avoid any additional fat that I don't need LoL. I was considering adding in one more shake at 5:00 which I could do or add in some kinda protein there....can of tuna or something. I am shooting to keep my carbs only early in the day (thus the rice, oats, and bread all eaten by early afternoon). I am just a tad worried that my gains might amount to fat if I eat too much. I am very carb sensitive. Always have been. Last year at one point over one month I lost 18 pounds by just doing straight keto......I know not the best, but in the end I kept 14 of them off, just felt weak as hell going through it.

Anyone with any suggestions feel free to let me know!

[jeffh3c]

Well I bumped it to 40 mg today. It seems to have been well worth it. I did arms today and had a wonderful strength increase. It seemed crazy to me. Pumps were hard...I swelled up pretty good and it got a bit painful at one point but I liked it. Strength in my eyes is totally better than hdrol and only on Day 12.

Only thing is my nips felt a bit itchy....could be mental right now, not sure, just felt a tad itchy after the gym. Could they be itchy that quick after increasing the dose.....what do you guys think?

havoc has short 1/2 life so I think so. I had some issues similar, but they were temporary and passed. Keep on pushing through - sore nipples are "par for course" on most cycles.

[maurice02]

Day 13
Morning weight 223.5. Going to keep at 40mg now unless any unforseen circumstances occur. Tonight is chest and upper legs

[maurice02]

btw....only "strange" side to report is that for the first time, my piss this morning was like a dark orangish color. Only thing I did different was increase the does of Havoc......strange.

[jeffh3c]

btw....only "strange" side to report is that for the first time, my piss this morning was like a dark orangish color. Only thing I did different was increase the does of Havoc......strange.

I noticed I had to pee alot on Havoc, especially shortly after dosing. Since it is a dryer compound, I think it will pull some wate out of your body, so that could be it (this is my guess). Drink more water for sure.