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  1. Looking good man, eat hard and train hard it will pay off.

    It is morning of day 4 of my Havoc cycle and my weight has been going up steadily since I started 198.8 to 203.4 in 4 days. Had the sweating thing last night and some great vascularity pumping in the arms too.


  2. Phew..sometimes I wonder how you guys can cram so much food in. I feel overly stuffed right now. So far ate one protein shake with 1 1/2 cups 2% milk, 2 cups oatmeal, 1 banana and 3 eggs. I got lunch in a half hour which is steak and whole wheat pasta. Then early afternoon snack is 3 eggs. Then a 1/2 pbj and an orange. Then off to the gym.

    Getting hard to get the food down. Plus i am trying to monitor my carbs since I prefer to lean out a bit more on this cycle (thus more cardio for me).
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    Phew..sometimes I wonder how you guys can cram so much food in. I feel overly stuffed right now. So far ate one protein shake with 1 1/2 cups 2% milk, 2 cups oatmeal, 1 banana and 3 eggs. I got lunch in a half hour which is steak and whole wheat pasta. Then early afternoon snack is 3 eggs. Then a 1/2 pbj and an orange. Then off to the gym.

    Getting hard to get the food down. Plus i am trying to monitor my carbs since I prefer to lean out a bit more on this cycle (thus more cardio for me).
    i found getting up earlier in the morning helped me a lot and prep some food for the day
    “We are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, excellence is not an act, but a habit.”

  4. Day 7
    Weight 218.5

    So far no weight gain on the cycle, granted it is only the end of the first week. I started at 218. I have changed my diet around a lot (ONLY healthy carbs and lots more protein) and only over the passed month incorporated cardio so perhaps I am burning fat at the rate of gaining muscle?

    Yesterday I worked Arms and did cardio. I have to say that I had a very good workout with suprisingly decent pumps. I feel that my endurance is up. I am not that vascular in my arms but did notice yesterday a nice vein coming through from wrist to elbow
    Did cardio for 20 minutes and burned 252 calories. Got VERY sweaty in a short amount of time. I have been trying HIIT while on the Arc machine so hopefully I can burn a decent amount of fat while on this cycle.

    Only thing I did notice yesterrday was a LOT of aggression outside the gym. Maybe I was just having an off day. Not sure. I snapped at two people at work by mistake and got pretty pissed at some fellow drivers lol.

    Going to most likely continue 30mg a day through week 2 and see how that goes. May bump to 40mg on week 3.

    Today I think I will take off. Went the passed two days.

  5. btw.......anyone that has used havoc or anything along those lines before....do you increase your time in the gym? Currently doing 2 on, 1 off, then 3 on, 1 off.....wondering if that seems about right or should I consider doing a solid 6 on one off?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    btw.......anyone that has used havoc or anything along those lines before....do you increase your time in the gym? Currently doing 2 on, 1 off, then 3 on, 1 off.....wondering if that seems about right or should I consider doing a solid 6 on one off?
    i'd carry on doing what you do. Recovery is really important due to the fact that you'll be growing a lot over the next month i do 3 on then 1 off or 2 on and 1 off. If i done 6 straight i think i'd be too sore!
    “We are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, excellence is not an act, but a habit.”

  7. sounds good. Taking tonight off. Now I really feel like some hot wings and half an italian sub!!!! but those are no good for clean diet lol

  8. Day 8
    Morning weight 221.5.
    I have noticed my weight is always more if I don't go to the gym the night before....thus my weight being higher this morning. I was good last night and stuck with chicken and broccoli and cheese with some oranges.

    Nothing really to report. Tonight I am doing back and possibly legs IF i have time.

  9. mmm cheese. I haven't had any in ages! was it cheddar?
    “We are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, excellence is not an act, but a habit.”

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Chub View Post
    mmm cheese. I haven't had any in ages! was it cheddar?
    cheddar makes it better!

  11. subbed

  12. Well I did back tonight and a very short leg workout and cardio again. I am happy to report that I think Havoc has kicked in. I noticed a mild increase in strength in the gym. My wide grip pulldowns went from 180 x 8 and 200 x 4 to 180 x 10 and 200 x 8. As well as other excercises were up by about 10 pounds in most cases. I did cut back my sets from 5 - 6 to only 4 tonight on back but did 5 reps on each except one.

    Did one excercise on hamstrings and got pretty bad pumps at my highest weight. Also only did one excercise on quads. Did not want to go overboard since I want to be able to do cardio everytime I go and not be overly sore.

    I did have lower back pumps unfortunately but was feeling very solid throughout workout. Felt good again.
    Today was the first day though I felt tired through the day and came home and actually took a one hour nap. It could also be the 8 degree weather....who knows.

    My libido seems to be very down already....phooey. I also think my left nut shrank too. It is smaller than my right....haha. Phew...thankfully got nolva in the PCT.

    On a side note, I started cardio late last year after a long lapse in time. My heartrate was hitting upwards of 190 on HIIT and around 175 - 180 at a steady pace. It has been gradually going down. Today at steady pace I was averaging 156 and in the last minute of HIIT at the end of the run I did peak at about 172. Very happy about this. I went for 23 minutes, 285 calories, 1 mile on the ARC machine.

    Anyways...lets hope results keep going up now.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    Well I did back tonight and a very short leg workout and cardio again. I am happy to report that I think Havoc has kicked in. I noticed a mild increase in strength in the gym. My wide grip pulldowns went from 180 x 8 and 200 x 4 to 180 x 10 and 200 x 8. As well as other excercises were up by about 10 pounds in most cases. I did cut back my sets from 5 - 6 to only 4 tonight on back but did 5 reps on each except one.

    Did one excercise on hamstrings and got pretty bad pumps at my highest weight. Also only did one excercise on quads. Did not want to go overboard since I want to be able to do cardio everytime I go and not be overly sore.

    I did have lower back pumps unfortunately but was feeling very solid throughout workout. Felt good again.
    Today was the first day though I felt tired through the day and came home and actually took a one hour nap. It could also be the 8 degree weather....who knows.

    My libido seems to be very down already....phooey. I also think my left nut shrank too. It is smaller than my right....haha. Phew...thankfully got nolva in the PCT.

    On a side note, I started cardio late last year after a long lapse in time. My heartrate was hitting upwards of 190 on HIIT and around 175 - 180 at a steady pace. It has been gradually going down. Today at steady pace I was averaging 156 and in the last minute of HIIT at the end of the run I did peak at about 172. Very happy about this. I went for 23 minutes, 285 calories, 1 mile on the ARC machine.

    Anyways...lets hope results keep going up now.
    I've read a couple posts where some say they notice alot more endurance with cardio. Have you noticed this at all?

  14. Day 9
    Morning weight - 221

    Working chest, calves, and cardio today.

    Unfortunately I have to go really early today which is not what I planned since I have a midday lunch with a coworker.......

    As for endurance with cardio, I do feel that I can go longer without tuckering out as fast.

  15. I may be wrong, but the endurance boost is from the increased rbc count. It is great to hear your progress with the product, im looking forward to running it sometime this summer.

  16. Did chest today and yep, havoc is definitely working. My previous last sets of flat bench dumbells were 75x10 and 90 x 6
    Today I did 90 x 10 and 100 x 5. Almost back to where I was with Hdrol. When I took hdrol I maxed at 100x10 and 105 x 6
    Lets see if havoc pushes it up. My weight is staying pretty much the same yet I feel that I am looking leaner.

    I heard the 2nd and 3rd weeks are the best so hoping for it.

  17. Day 10
    Morning weight 222
    Did shoulders today. Strength is up. Used the shoulder press machine with the plates and was previously maxing at 230x8 and today did 230x10 and 250 x 6

    I am seeing a lot of veins under the skin but nothing on the surface really yet. Also been having a lot of pain in both of my elbows and wrists so figuring they must be drying out a bit and need to up the fish oil

  18. Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    Day 10
    Morning weight 222
    Did shoulders today. Strength is up. Used the shoulder press machine with the plates and was previously maxing at 230x8 and today did 230x10 and 250 x 6

    I am seeing a lot of veins under the skin but nothing on the surface really yet. Also been having a lot of pain in both of my elbows and wrists so figuring they must be drying out a bit and need to up the fish oil

    Good stuff Man!!! So up four pounds, and increased vascularity. MUST be leaning out. Keep up the good work!

  19. Is it normal to have a decreased appetite while on Havoc. I am getting to the point that I am just not really hungry anymore.

    Just curious......

  20. Day 11
    Morning weight 221.5. Today is day off from the gym.

  21. btw......I am now also using taurine which I picked up from GNC this weekend. Doing hamstrings I was feeling some bad back pumps.

    Coming up to the beginning of week 3 this week and contemplating bumping the dose to 40mg........still unsure at this point. Arm workout is tomorrow, chest workout Wed, and back workout Thurs then off again on Friday.

    considering tonight is a night off, I may "cheat" and order some sushi and hot and sour soup!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    Is it normal to have a decreased appetite while on Havoc. I am getting to the point that I am just not really hungry anymore.

    Just curious......
    Anyone?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Graglor View Post
    Anyone?
    My appetite was through the roof. Not sure why appetite would be depressed.

  24. Day 12
    Morning weight 223
    I ate sushi and hot and sour soup last night. Guess it is probably still sitting in my stomach LoL.
    anyways, tonight I do arms.

    Trying to bump up food intake
    8 am - protein shake
    9 am - 1 1/2 cups oatmeal, 1 banana
    10:30 - 1 banana, 3 eggs
    11:30 - 1/2 cup brown rice, 12 - 16oz chicken
    1 pm - whole pbj sandwich on 15 grain bread
    2:30 - 3 eggs
    6 pm - workout
    8 pm - protein shake
    8:30 - dinner (chicken or steak and veggies)



    Question: has anyone previously done say 40mg on workout days and 30 mg on off days? would it be worth it?
    I was considering bumping it to 40mg today to see how it felt at the gym tonight.....just wondering.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    Day 12
    Morning weight 223
    I ate sushi and hot and sour soup last night. Guess it is probably still sitting in my stomach LoL.
    anyways, tonight I do arms.

    Trying to bump up food intake
    8 am - protein shake
    9 am - 1 1/2 cups oatmeal, 1 banana
    10:30 - 1 banana, 3 eggs
    11:30 - 1/2 cup brown rice, 12 - 16oz chicken
    1 pm - whole pbj sandwich on 15 grain bread
    2:30 - 3 eggs
    6 pm - workout
    8 pm - protein shake
    8:30 - dinner (chicken or steak and veggies)



    Question: has anyone previously done say 40mg on workout days and 30 mg on off days? would it be worth it?
    I was considering bumping it to 40mg today to see how it felt at the gym tonight.....just wondering.
    You should be working out on your "on" days and doing your off days on your cardio/non lift days. This is one of the premises of the pulse. Not taking 1 day off PH after 2 days and having one period of 2 days off in a row is as well, so plan lift days accordingly. The off days is where your body says "oh, ****. I guess I -do- need to keep up the test production. We have a serious fall in test, so ramp up production". The next day when you dose again, you get your natural rebound test plus the havoc. This is why pulse works so well is the low shutdown and all.

    i.e.

    monday- legs/biceps - 40mg havoc. 20 prior and 20 about an hour after lift
    tuesday - chest/back - same
    wed- off or cardio/abs
    thursday - Shoulders/abs
    friday - biceps/triceps
    sat/sun - cardio ok but take at least one day TOTALLY off and this is your 2 days in a row with no PH's
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