Started Havoc 1/9/09
- 01-17-2009, 03:06 PM
Did chest today and yep, havoc is definitely working. My previous last sets of flat bench dumbells were 75x10 and 90 x 6
Today I did 90 x 10 and 100 x 5. Almost back to where I was with Hdrol. When I took hdrol I maxed at 100x10 and 105 x 6
Lets see if havoc pushes it up. My weight is staying pretty much the same yet I feel that I am looking leaner.
I heard the 2nd and 3rd weeks are the best so hoping for it.
- 01-18-2009, 03:41 PM
Morning weight 222
Did shoulders today. Strength is up. Used the shoulder press machine with the plates and was previously maxing at 230x8 and today did 230x10 and 250 x 6
I am seeing a lot of veins under the skin but nothing on the surface really yet. Also been having a lot of pain in both of my elbows and wrists so figuring they must be drying out a bit and need to up the fish oil
- 01-18-2009, 04:37 PM
01-18-2009, 04:38 PM
Is it normal to have a decreased appetite while on Havoc. I am getting to the point that I am just not really hungry anymore.
01-19-2009, 07:39 AM
Morning weight 221.5. Today is day off from the gym.
01-19-2009, 01:47 PM
btw......I am now also using taurine which I picked up from GNC this weekend. Doing hamstrings I was feeling some bad back pumps.
Coming up to the beginning of week 3 this week and contemplating bumping the dose to 40mg........still unsure at this point. Arm workout is tomorrow, chest workout Wed, and back workout Thurs then off again on Friday.
considering tonight is a night off, I may "cheat" and order some sushi and hot and sour soup!
01-19-2009, 07:20 PM
01-19-2009, 08:20 PM
01-20-2009, 08:28 AM
Morning weight 223
I ate sushi and hot and sour soup last night. Guess it is probably still sitting in my stomach LoL.
anyways, tonight I do arms.
Trying to bump up food intake
8 am - protein shake
9 am - 1 1/2 cups oatmeal, 1 banana
10:30 - 1 banana, 3 eggs
11:30 - 1/2 cup brown rice, 12 - 16oz chicken
1 pm - whole pbj sandwich on 15 grain bread
2:30 - 3 eggs
6 pm - workout
8 pm - protein shake
8:30 - dinner (chicken or steak and veggies)
Question: has anyone previously done say 40mg on workout days and 30 mg on off days? would it be worth it?
I was considering bumping it to 40mg today to see how it felt at the gym tonight.....just wondering.
01-20-2009, 08:47 AM
monday- legs/biceps - 40mg havoc. 20 prior and 20 about an hour after lift
tuesday - chest/back - same
wed- off or cardio/abs
thursday - Shoulders/abs
friday - biceps/triceps
sat/sun - cardio ok but take at least one day TOTALLY off and this is your 2 days in a row with no PH's
01-20-2009, 08:49 AM
I think I just need to explain better. I wasn't looking to pulse completely. I was looking to take like 40mg on days that I workout and 30mg on days that I don't. still running it at five weeks. Or not sure if that defeats the purpose and once you bump the dosage you should keep it there.
01-20-2009, 08:06 PM
Well I bumped it to 40 mg today. It seems to have been well worth it. I did arms today and had a wonderful strength increase. It seemed crazy to me. Pumps were hard...I swelled up pretty good and it got a bit painful at one point but I liked it. Strength in my eyes is totally better than hdrol and only on Day 12.
Only thing is my nips felt a bit itchy....could be mental right now, not sure, just felt a tad itchy after the gym. Could they be itchy that quick after increasing the dose.....what do you guys think?
01-20-2009, 08:18 PM
01-20-2009, 08:19 PM
Gotcha, probably just mental or it was the shirt I was wearing was rubbing. Thanks Dsade. And yeah, 40 mg is NICE to say the least. I also upped my carbs a bit more today. I added in one more banana and a full pbj sandwich instead of half.
I like this stuff. lol.
01-20-2009, 08:25 PM
My diet looks something like this
0530~ Protein Shake
0600~ Incline walk on treadmill
0700~ 4 Large Eggs, 4 Egg Whites, 2 cups oatmeal
1000~ Protein Shake, Almonds, spoon full of PB
1230~ Can of Tuna, 2 Slices of Whole Grain Toast, Slice Fat-Free Cheese, Sunchips
1430~ 2 Slices of Whole Grain Bread, 6 oz deli turkey, fat free cheese slice
1630~ Post-Workout Shake and PBJ Sandwich
1800~ 8oz Baked Salmon, 2 cups brown rice, 2 cups steamed veggie
2000~ Either a shake or can of tuna and a sweet potato
2200~ 2 cups fat free cottage cheese and sugar free jello
01-20-2009, 08:29 PM
Anyone with any suggestions feel free to let me know!
01-20-2009, 08:54 PM
01-21-2009, 07:36 AM
Morning weight 223.5. Going to keep at 40mg now unless any unforseen circumstances occur. Tonight is chest and upper legs
01-21-2009, 09:02 AM
btw....only "strange" side to report is that for the first time, my piss this morning was like a dark orangish color. Only thing I did different was increase the does of Havoc......strange.
01-21-2009, 11:10 AM
01-21-2009, 11:52 AM
01-22-2009, 07:43 AM
Morning weight - 223
So far up 5 pounds on this. I heard you get most your gains though your 3rd/4th week....we will see.
Running at 40mg. Did chest and legs yesterday. Kinda shocked because within one week I got a pretty good strength increase. Didn't notice anything on flat bench (still 100x6 as last set) but last week i was doing 80x8 as my last set on incline......last night did 80x10, 90x10, 95x5........shocked me. Overall feel good.
Felt a bit of lethargy yesterday but seems to have gone away so far today. Attempted to do cardio last night......10 minutes in and my back was shot. Had to stop.
Was taking in about 1 - 1 1/2 gallons of water a day. Gonna push for 2 gallons a day now.
01-22-2009, 09:27 AM
hows the piss today?
“We are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, excellence is not an act, but a habit.”
01-22-2009, 09:38 AM
01-22-2009, 09:51 AM
01-22-2009, 09:55 AM
01-22-2009, 09:59 AM
01-22-2009, 10:02 AM
01-22-2009, 01:28 PM
Hey guys - somewhat of a noob jumping in here...but seems like the two guys tracking each other's progress are looking to GAIN weight. Is that an inherent factor of Havoc, or a by-product of the loads of food? I ask because I am 6'4" 290, and want the lean muscle gains without the overall MASS gains - so something to push me towards a more cut, muscular physique without pushing me over 3 bills on the scale.
The product descriptions I've found don't necessarily point towards MASS gains...specifically the one I found states: "Havoc is the next generation hormone to deliver the AMAZING results: lean, dry, hard, quality chizeled gains."
01-22-2009, 02:22 PM
01-22-2009, 03:32 PM
By the way, we ARE talking about RPN Havoc right? My buddy said there are a few supplements out there with SIMILAR names...just wanna get my purchase correct!
01-22-2009, 06:51 PM
01-22-2009, 07:47 PM
Figued I give an update this evening.
Went 3rd day in the row to the gym. Tonight was back night. Well, I had a good workout for about a 1/2 hour and then was pretty much shot. I think I have just overdone it the past two days and need a break. I am not going tomorrow. Strength was great the first 1/2 hour but body just pretty much gave out. Did mild cardio but back pumps were annoying. Going to up the taurine to two pills a day on workout days now instead of one.
Vascularity has been improving steadily when I am pumped. I like it lol.
Overall I like this better than hdrol so far. Strength is much better. 40mg is my sweet spot. Will most likely consider the rest of my cycle off at 40. Was planning on 5 weeks but will see how I am at 4 weeks.
Sides I have noted are lethargy on and off, but only one really bad day so far. Libido is gone.....seriously, i don't know the last time I got a woody. Testicular atrophy has shown its ugly face. My left nut considerably shrunk, while the right has shrunk, but not as bad. I do have a slight dull ache in my left nut though.....not sure if it is mental or not though ya know. Also got back acne for the first time in my life. Looked and have about 6 - 10 pimples popping up....SWEET...doesn't bother me to be honest. Started yesterday and I did do legs then, so maybe I pulled something......any thoughts?
Dark urine in the AM hours......i am taking two scoops of cycle support and have an additional bottle of milk thistle.....would you suggest adding more milk thistle? My piss becomes pretty clear as the day progresses as long as I keep my water intake very high.
01-22-2009, 09:15 PM
01-23-2009, 10:18 AM
Morning weight 225.5
Jumped up 2.5 pounds overnight and nothing changed with diet. All the same.
Feeling fine today. Piss was dark this morning but not as dark as before. Just keeping water intake up.
Had a bloody nose the passed two nights due to the damn dryness in my place lol.....I need a friggin humidifier. Wonderful to wake up with blood all over and especially when you are having a bad dream!
01-24-2009, 01:43 AM
First of all I dont consider myself a body builder. I 'm 5'6 210 stocky with muscle under a layer of fat, and about 30%bf. I started Havoc on Jan 20, what I noticed right away was I'm thirsty a lot and drinking twice as much water as usual. I'm also hungrier. Needless to say my weight is up, a few pounds from 210 last week to 215 tonight, however, my body fat % seems to be down.
I know this is probably all water weight, yet I dont feel bloated. I eat about 2000-2600 calories through out the day, with meat, fish, or chicken at least 4 times day. Instead of a leg workout, I'm hiking a steep hill with switchbacks at least once a week otherwise I try to get 30-45 minutes on a treadmill, eliptical, stairmaster, etc.
I'm blessed with muscular legs so I dont worry too much about weight training them. I have always weight trained so I have some muscle mass especially in my pecs and traps
What I hope to gain are some prominent deltoids and more defined biceps and triceps.
01-24-2009, 01:01 PM
01-24-2009, 01:07 PM
Morning weight 225 flat. Feeling good today. Did shoulders. Was very happy with progress being made. I believe I will make tonight my cheat night and eat some stuff i want to eat. Depends where we go out. Been pretty good on this diet since start.
01-25-2009, 04:01 PM
Morning weight 226.
Swayed from the diet a bit last night and had chicken parm and some pasta. could have been a lot worse lol.
Did arms today. Pumps are still good.....I do sweat profusely when doing any kind of cardio now. I have cut most of it down to about 15 min after workout due to just being wiped after workouts.
No sides really. Just a bit more tired than from the beginning.
I saw my cousin yesterday and hadn't seem him in three weeks and he told me good job on losing weight.....lol......I told him I was actually up 7 pounds. I think I am noticing a leaner look too.
Oh wells, I need to relax.....I am beat
01-25-2009, 08:51 PM
Should have posted earlier. I see the exercises you did in cerain days but what is your split (items, rep range, exercises plan, etc).
Also, what are your planned macros and total calories.
Thanks. Keep up the good log!
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