Pp LOG: Sustain Alpha/Toco 8 incl. before/after bloodwork!
- 11-04-2008, 02:50 PM
Pp LOG: Sustain Alpha/Toco 8 incl. before/after bloodwork!
After realizing I have a complete endocrine dysfunction back in February of this year, I undertook a huge quest to get to the root cause of my problems and get my hormones back on track... the right way. **** Androgel, make sure my diet is on, anything to avoid a lifetime of injectable therapy. I started to work with an 'enlightened' doc and a nutritionist to make dietary and lifestyle changes and saw improved (doubling, actually) of my levels but I was STILL out of range.
I started at 169 Total Test back in mid-May. I made a few key dietary and lifestyle modifications. I retested in late-September at 379 Total Test. Though I am still out of range, my levels are starting to come up naturally. I need something to enhance my natural testosterone production since it is there, its just not pumping effectively.
Enter Pp. I contacted Eric at Pp and he said he would sponsor me for Sustain Alpha and Toco8 but under one condition, I have to post:
-Initial bloodwork BEFORE Sustain Alpha and Toco8.
-Bloodwork AFTER a one month cycle of SA/T8.
-Bloodwork 4-6 WEEKS AFTER my trial of SA/T8.
Basically, I am putting SA/T8 to the test for Pp and giving all the forums the hard numbers involved.
In the interim, I will log what I am getting from SA/T8.
Testosterone, Total: 379 (250-1100)
Testosterone, Free: 86.4 (46.0-224.0)
Testosterone, Bioavailable: 192.8 (110.0-575.0)
LH: 5.38 (1.24-8.62)
FSH: 9.3 (1.27-19.26)
Begin Sustain Alpha and Toco8 - COMPLETED!
End Sustain Alpha and Toco8 - COMPLETED!
Get Immediate Post-SA/T8 Bloodwork Done
11/17 + 4-6 weeks
Get Post-SA/T8 Bloodwork Done
First 2 Weeks Log
Right BEFORE starting, I noticed it was the first time I was starting to get morning wood naturally in many, many months (maybe years). I was still relying on Levitra in order to keep the lady happy, though. After about 3-4 days on SA/T8, I noticed I was starting to get spontaneous erections. My ED finally disappeared. For the rest of the week I slowly started to notice the following:
-increased social confidence, words and ideas would start to flow out of me without me feeling it necessary to think about what I'm going to say first
-an increase up to full performance for reliable, potent erections
-slow increase in libido
As for the characteristics of the actual supplement, the Sustain Alpha isn't bad and the Toco-8 is great. First, the Sustain Alpha smell isn't great when applying. It smells like a mix of a light citrus scent and a strong salted sausage meat/pastrami scent. This is ONLY WHEN YOU APPLY, though. The first time I put it on, I applied it and immediately asked my roommate to take a whiff and see if he smelt anything because I was 'trying out a new lotion'. He said he couldn't smell anything. The lady also couldn't smell anything. I cannot smell anything after it is applied. In concentrated, unapplied form it is only slightly unpleasant. Applied, though, its completely unnoticeable. I have only a minor problem with the smell and it is that it seems to stick to your hands and not come out when you wash them (especially after many days of use). Then, when you go to eat, when your hands get near your face to shovel food in your mouth, the smell can sometimes waft off your hands. It is nothing unbearable though and doesn't bother me after getting accustomed to it.
Toco8 is GREAT. It is based in a tapioca powder so it’s like eating pudding. I love the taste and actually wish I eat more of it.
Week 2 was much of the same except I am starting to notice a more powerful increase in libido. I was lying in bed with the girlfriend and noticed, for the first time, I was pushing for sex when she wasn't. We usually have sex at fairly consistent times. Oddly, though, as we were lying in bed falling asleep... I wanted seconds!! For the first time, I noticed myself trying to initiate in addition to the already satisfactory frequency that we have sex.
Last night was, by far, the most obvious example of the SA/T8 combo increasing my libido. While we were watching a movie, we had sex. After returning from cleaning up in the bathroom afterwards, I laid back down and continued to watch the movie with her. By the time the scene was over, I was already whispering into her ear asking if she was ready for round 2. Indeed, the foreplay began and round 2 started. And round 2 was a slam dunk, too. This was within no more than 15 minutes of another ejaculation. My libido was up and one wasn't enough. It was like the sex center of my brain was on autopilot and it was unsatisfied with one round. Anyways... this was pretty big for me. 2 weeks ago I couldn't even achieve one erection on my own. Now I'm knockin two out within 15 minutes of each other.
Method of Administration
Sustain Alpha: In the shower, exfoliating with a washcloth on application areas. Applying to my torso (pecs and stomach), shoulders, and neck... spreading around to my back and my hips as necessary. I am not applying to the scrotum as a personal preference.
Toco8: Tossing a scoop into my mouth, enjoying the flavor, washing down with whatever I'm drinking.
Supplementation Profile and Diet
For the entire duration of the log, I will be taking the following:
Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients - Usually 1/2 serving/day but occasionally 1 serving/day... just my multi
Biotest Flameout - 1 Serving
Udos Choice 3-6-9 Omega Complex - 1 TBSP
500mg Calcium D-Glucarate
2mg Copper (to address copper deficiency)
and, of course...
5 pumps Sustain Alpha
1 scoop/serving Toco8
Please leave em.
I will update this thread as things roll in.
Last edited by krazy; 11-15-2008 at 01:10 PM.
- 11-05-2008, 02:01 PM
- 11-05-2008, 04:02 PM
Subbed, great idea PP.
11-15-2008, 12:57 PM
...annnnd that's all folks!
One Sustain Alpha bottle lasted me until today, 11/15. I missed one day of dosage since starting so, at 5 pumps per dose, the bottle went for 23 days. Pretty accurate for the 25 days/bottle claimed on the label.
A few things from the last week or so of usage:
-Libido sustained and the girlfriend started to get used to going for 2 rounds back to back (and more often, at that)
-The last 5 or so days of the bottle, the smell gets a little stronger. This may be because I frequently forgot to shake the bottle in the first part of the experiment so the active bits may have settled towards the bottom. BUT my girlfriend asked me about 5 days ago if I was wearing a new cologne and I said 'No, why?' and she said that, whatever it was, it smelled good. This was about 4-5 hours after application so, though it picks up, it has been positively interpreted, IME.
With that being said, I will be heading to the lab hopefully on Monday, 1.5-2 days after the last dose, and getting the bloodwork panel drawn.
Subscribe to this thread to get an update on the results as they come in!!
11-16-2008, 06:47 AM
Looking forward to hearing your results
11-16-2008, 08:58 AM
man, pp needs to pay you for this. if i ever read a log that made me want to try a product, this is it. i have been wanting to try these products for awhile now, this log just bumped them to the top of the list. great results, very curious what your labs will show.
11-16-2008, 11:12 AM
Last edited by Steveoph; 11-16-2008 at 01:34 PM. Reason: Clarifications
11-16-2008, 01:02 PM
Nope, just the products, I'm paying for bloodtests.
11-16-2008, 01:04 PM
11-16-2008, 01:09 PM
11-16-2008, 04:41 PM
21 but don't let that fool you. I've had really low testosterone for a very long time and was low until right before my test listed in the OP.
-My first experience with ED was in June 2007
-On May 15, 2008 I was:
Testosterone, Total: 169 (250-1100)
Testosterone, Free: 35.1 (46.0-224.0)
Testosterone, Bioavailable: 75.2 (110.0-575.0)
-On August 3, 2008 I was 35 (60-103) for testosterone in a urine test.
11-17-2008, 12:16 PM
11-17-2008, 02:20 PM
12:30AM Bed with girlfriend (no sex)
10:30AM 2 eggs, 1 whole grain bagel, 1 TBSP organic butter, my supplementation protocol (listed in OP)
2:00PM BLOOD DRAWN
Check back in a few days for the results.
11-18-2008, 12:44 AM
11-18-2008, 01:12 AM
Great log, it would be amazing if your test levels have been raised permanently.
11-18-2008, 08:23 AM
11-18-2008, 11:19 AM
PP is great at the hormonal products, esp transdermals, like the log bro, I hope you get your levels back up!!!
On A side note I wish PP would formulate a legal gyno slayer!!!
11-18-2008, 03:31 PM
11-19-2008, 04:05 PM
11-20-2008, 10:39 AM
Why were your initial test levels low?
11-24-2008, 09:30 AM
11-24-2008, 09:42 AM
11-24-2008, 05:42 PM
11-24-2008, 06:46 PM
11-30-2008, 11:25 AM
**** **** ****.
Sorry for the lack of update so far everyone. Last week was a break for me and I did some travelling for the week to visit family and had sporadic internet access. On top of that, during one of the few times that I booted up the computer to get online, my laptop died. So I'm now struggling to get back fully functional online.
Anyways, I have some bad news. I talked to my doc and he said he got the results back (though he hasn't had a chance to fax me a copy of them yet... I'm working on that). He said the ****ing people at Quest messed up something and all of my testosterone results came back as "NT". Last time I got NT back on a Quest results, I remember it was when they ****ed up the collection of the specimen (depending on the test, they have special rules like needing to be frozen for 2 hours before shipment to the lab or refridgerated or whatever). And, when I brought it in to the facility, I could hear the ladies in the office sounding clueless about what tests were being requested on the requisition form so I wouldn't be surprised.
Long story short, it looks like they ****ed up the collection of the testosterone tests and I'm going to have to go back and get it redone. Sucks. I WILL be getting these numbers, regardless, they might just be a little off now that its going on 2+ weeks from stopping the SA/T8. I'm working on getting a hold of a scan of the results and will post them so you can see proof. My doc didn't mention anything going wrong my LH test and said my estradiol was 7 (it was Quest's ultrasensitive assay which I believe is ranged 1-20). Like I said, I'm still trying to get a hardcopy of these results and will post them when I do.
The Doc is going to call Quest's lab to make sure it isn't something on the lab side and that it can be redone with the same sample but I'm pretty sure that sample is a lost cause at this point.
Scans and more information as it unfolds...
12-07-2008, 01:03 AM
your log just decided me.
I am going to get some sustain alpha.
12-07-2008, 10:39 PM
The results are in (sort of):
LH: 2.5 (1.5 - 9.3)
FSH: 4.2 (1.6 - 8.0)
Estradiol: 7 (<= 29)
...but **** the numbers. It is worth noting that over 3 weeks later, I still feel like a champ. I'm waking up with a massive erection, got the libido of a 20 year old, and sex is getting even better. I mean it is one thing to physically be able to perform sex better (better erection quality, etc)... but its another thing to be a ****ing champ in the bedroom and have sizzling hot sex. I've reached the sizzling hot stage.
Regardless of specifically what number my testosterone is, I feel great. That being said, I'm still confident that my testosterone numbers are jacked up. I certainly didn't feel this way prior to starting SA/T8 and, if anything, still had occasional ED prior to starting. Now, after SA/T8, I can't even think myself out of an erection (for fun, in the moment, I'd focus on my erection to try to see if I can psych myself out of it... I can't).
One last observation about SA/T8... it was only in the last week or so that I've noticed the 'citrus sausage' smell of the SA finally get out of my pores. I feel like some of it stays within the skin and hold there until you exfoliate it out or something. But for a good 2-3 weeks after stopping, if I were to put my nose into my shirt and take a big sniff, I could pick out the smell, still. But, of course, this isn't noticeable by anyone and only a minor observation.
Anyways, regarding my testosterone numbers, this whole trial is kind of ****ed now but I've got to go back and get a retest. I will do so as soon as I can (it is exam week but I should be able to sneak out later this week). I'll get the retest done and be posting those when they come in.
I'll also be posting scans of the Quest paperwork results from above when I get the appropriate software on my computer. I have them in PDF right now but my personal info is in them and I need to edit them out and don't have the tools to do so right yet.
12-08-2008, 12:21 PM
12-08-2008, 02:19 PM
Not sure about that. Just got tested and they were low. I had ED for about a year and they stayed low pretty much until the bloodwork in the OP was done. No history of PH/AAS use.
12-08-2008, 04:19 PM
12-09-2008, 09:25 AM
12-09-2008, 12:22 PM
I would love to try this combo....Great log.
01-11-2009, 04:45 PM
Any updates Krazy. I imagine things were busy with exams/Christmas, but if you have time to share the bloodwork, it would be greatly appreciated.
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