Ergopharm 1-AD

unicorn · 09-18-2008, 07:40 PM

Does anyone have any experience with this product?

dsade · 09-18-2008, 07:49 PM

gah....I came in her hoping YOU were reviewing it.

The only feedback I have is in conjunction with Havoc, and while reports of lethargy were serious, gains were apparently mind blowing - size and hardness/strength.

Waiting for the full retail release, myself.

**Iron Lungz** · 09-18-2008, 07:59 PM

When is the retail release?

dsade · 09-18-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Lungz

When is the retail release?

August '08.

**Iron Lungz** · 09-18-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dsade

August '08.

What? D, stop playing, man!
I know it was available on Ergo's site... I'm not paying that much for it.

dsade · 09-18-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Lungz

What? D, stop playing, man!
I know it was available on Ergo's site... I'm not paying that much for it.

Supposed to be...I think there are some delays, obviously.

Hoping for sometime in October. Next time I email PA, I will ask.

**Iron Lungz** · 09-18-2008, 08:04 PM

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Supposed to be...I think there are some delays, obviously.

Hoping for sometime in October. Next time I email PA, I will ask.

Cool, thanks for the information.

**warnerve** · 09-18-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dsade

Supposed to be...I think there are some delays, obviously.

Hoping for sometime in October. Next time I email PA, I will ask.

tell him a limited run of bulk powder would get some feedback out on the web real quick

dsade · 09-18-2008, 08:08 PM

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tell him a limited run of bulk powder would get some feedback out on the web real quick

I only have the 500 grams he sent me initially...HEY, wait...

unicorn · 09-18-2008, 08:23 PM

I want to try it and I am willing to pay the direct price from ergopharm but I am worried about the side effects. I would hate to lose my hair.I am over 40 and have some issues with hair already.To be honest I know very little about these types of supplements. I want to get bigger and stronger and more cut without the side effect issues. Am I in dream land or what?

dsade · 09-18-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by unicorn

I want to try it and I am willing to pay the direct price from ergopharm but I am worried about the side effects. I would hate to lose my hair.I am over 40 and have some issues with hair already.To be honest I know very little about these types of supplements. I want to get bigger and stronger and more cut without the side effect issues. Am I in dream land or what?

the target hormone is VERY hairline unfriendly.

unicorn · 09-18-2008, 08:29 PM

Any suggestions then? I am looking mainly to get cut without the hair problems..

dsade · 09-18-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by unicorn

Any suggestions then? I am looking mainly to get cut without the hair problems..

Havoc is an excellent recomp hormone, and easier on the hairline at LOWER dosage (30mg or under).

**Royd The Noyd** · 09-18-2008, 08:46 PM

I am not really sure what yall are waiting for when the board sponsor already sells a cheaper version

unicorn · 09-18-2008, 08:54 PM

Havoc looks like a great product for gaining strength and muscle. What about losing bodyfat. I am about 16 % and would like to get below 10 % without losing much muscle. Last year i was 35% and I have lost about 70 pounds.

dsade · 09-18-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by unicorn

Havoc looks like a great product for gaining strength and muscle. What about losing bodyfat. I am about 16 % and would like to get below 10 % without losing much muscle. Last year i was 35% and I have lost about 70 pounds.

Havoc will hep you not only retain muscle while cutting, but actually gain muscle while losing fat.

jsp0785 · 09-18-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by unicorn

I want to try it and I am willing to pay the direct price from ergopharm but I am worried about the side effects. I would hate to lose my hair.I am over 40 and have some issues with hair already.To be honest I know very little about these types of supplements. I want to get bigger and stronger and more cut without the side effect issues. Am I in dream land or what?

keep dreaming

jsp0785 · 09-18-2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by unicorn

Havoc looks like a great product for gaining strength and muscle. What about losing bodyfat. I am about 16 % and would like to get below 10 % without losing much muscle. Last year i was 35% and I have lost about 70 pounds.

way too soon to be jumping into roids bro

**warnerve** · 09-19-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dsade

I only have the 500 grams he sent me initially...HEY, wait...

suncloud · 09-19-2008, 01:46 AM

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way too soon to be jumping into roids bro

over 40 and has lost almost 20% body fat already? when is it the right time?

Unicorn, i'd go for Havoc too. Maybe IGF-2 from AN might do you some good as well, if you're uber concerned about hair loss, but Havoc will kick in much quicker (within a week, vs the three weeks for IGF-2).

bound · 09-19-2008, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd

I am not really sure what yall are waiting for when the board sponsor already sells a cheaper version

Is that really the same as Ergo's 1-AD?

**Royd The Noyd** · 09-19-2008, 06:42 AM

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Is that really the same as Ergo's 1-AD?

Yes. They both convert to 1-test via 1-androstendione.

Now I'm not sure on the ergopharm 1-ad but AMS' version also contains:

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Luteolin 3mg **
Standarized Forskolin 10mg **
Piperine 2mg **

Both products contain 60 caps at 100mg/cap.

jsp0785 · 09-19-2008, 10:33 AM

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over 40 and has lost almost 20% body fat already? when is it the right time?

Unicorn, i'd go for Havoc too. Maybe IGF-2 from AN might do you some good as well, if you're uber concerned about hair loss, but Havoc will kick in much quicker (within a week, vs the three weeks for IGF-2).

the point of steroids is to get to your genetic limit with diet and exercise and then use them. not be a big fat guy lose a ton of weight in one year which probably included a lot of muscle loss. the guy doesn't seem to have any experience and people are suggesting him to take roids. when somebody comes on and starts a thread just saying doesn't know anything about these type of products and that he wants to get bigger stronger and more cut without side effects you would honestly suggest he take steroids? i'd rather tell a 20 year old who's been working out for 8 or 9 years to take roids over a 40yo who doesn't seem to know that much about training or supplements. at his age he needs a good test BOOSTER not something that will shut him down. and compound the problems of being older. the body doesn't bounce back at that age like it does in a younger man.

**SpargelJanusz** · 09-19-2008, 10:38 AM

unicorn, this new 1-AD seems to be far inferiour to its popular and banned predecessor. Google for it, I have found only mildly to very disappointed honest users.

And it's damn expensive. If you want to mess with hormonal stuff, there's now way around real roids.

sandman82 · 09-19-2008, 10:40 AM

We will have some for sale to stores and distributors in Nov 08 We are still working on alot of things before mass producing it.

sandman82 · 09-19-2008, 10:41 AM

In the mean time if you are looking for the best prohormone out there I would recommend that you use havoc. I have used it many of times and got some amazing results. I am stacking the Havoc with the 1-ad right now and starting to see some great results

suncloud · 09-19-2008, 10:48 AM

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the point of steroids is to get to your genetic limit with diet and exercise and then use them. not be a big fat guy lose a ton of weight in one year which probably included a lot of muscle loss. the guy doesn't seem to have any experience and people are suggesting him to take roids. when somebody comes on and starts a thread just saying doesn't know anything about these type of products and that he wants to get bigger stronger and more cut without side effects you would honestly suggest he take steroids? i'd rather tell a 20 year old who's been working out for 8 or 9 years to take roids over a 40yo who doesn't seem to know that much about training or supplements. at his age he needs a good test BOOSTER not something that will shut him down. and compound the problems of being older. the body doesn't bounce back at that age like it does in a younger man.

agree to disagree on this.

my opinion of steroids and PH's are this: under 21 no way. 23 is the accepted age to start them. i agree that you should reach your body's natural potential first, thats a great point. most young people don't understand the intensity it takes to make great gains off a cycle, much less the diet required to make that happen. someone who has already lost 70 pounds of fat probably understands that better than most. Havoc is a mild compound, that is good for beginners because it does not shut down test as hard as some of the others - PP, SD, etc. This is also why i recommended IGF-2 , which is fairly effective for his goals, with again, limited if any shut down.

i'd argue your point on him not knowing about training, if he can loose that kind of weight. that he might not be familiar with PH's is no surprise - most people that take it for the first time don't know what they're taking. at least he's getting advise about it rather than "take it and see what happens", which is in my opinion what caused the recent summer ban - HS kids trying a compound with no idea what they were taking, being too young, and having no diet or training program worth a damn in place. that's my 2 cents.

i'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but in my opinion, he's done everything right - diet and exercise wise, appropriate age, we should advise him on what works best for his goals, not tell him to "go fly a kite".

Personally, yes, his training might need to be addressed, but you haven't even asked him what his training regimen is, and you're already jumping to a conclusion. Also, at his age, his natural GH levels would be lower (which is a great fat burner), so again IGF-2 might be as beneficial as Havoc for him. Those two compounds have great feedback in putting on muscle and burning fat, minimal shutdown (for what it is), and is probably just what he needs to make that final transition from 16% body fat to 10-12, where he will be very close to his "genetic potential". I think the fat loss he has had justifies his want to use, and shows he has the intensity and diet in place to succeed.

JDF · 09-19-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman82

We will have some for sale to stores and distributors in Nov 08 We are still working on alot of things before mass producing it.

I believe I remember PA mentioning something about a possible reformulation of the new 1ad, can you speak to that at all.

I may be mis-remembering but figured i'd ask

dsade · 09-19-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sandman82

We will have some for sale to stores and distributors in Nov 08 We are still working on alot of things before mass producing it.

Looking forward to trying the stack...I have things to deal with lethargy.

jsp0785 · 09-20-2008, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by suncloud

agree to disagree on this.

my opinion of steroids and PH's are this: under 21 no way. 23 is the accepted age to start them. i agree that you should reach your body's natural potential first, thats a great point. most young people don't understand the intensity it takes to make great gains off a cycle, much less the diet required to make that happen. someone who has already lost 70 pounds of fat probably understands that better than most. Havoc is a mild compound, that is good for beginners because it does not shut down test as hard as some of the others - PP, SD, etc. This is also why i recommended IGF-2 , which is fairly effective for his goals, with again, limited if any shut down.

i'd argue your point on him not knowing about training, if he can loose that kind of weight. that he might not be familiar with PH's is no surprise - most people that take it for the first time don't know what they're taking. at least he's getting advise about it rather than "take it and see what happens", which is in my opinion what caused the recent summer ban - HS kids trying a compound with no idea what they were taking, being too young, and having no diet or training program worth a damn in place. that's my 2 cents.

i'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but in my opinion, he's done everything right - diet and exercise wise, appropriate age, we should advise him on what works best for his goals, not tell him to "go fly a kite".

Personally, yes, his training might need to be addressed, but you haven't even asked him what his training regimen is, and you're already jumping to a conclusion. Also, at his age, his natural GH levels would be lower (which is a great fat burner), so again IGF-2 might be as beneficial as Havoc for him. Those two compounds have great feedback in putting on muscle and burning fat, minimal shutdown (for what it is), and is probably just what he needs to make that final transition from 16% body fat to 10-12, where he will be very close to his "genetic potential". I think the fat loss he has had justifies his want to use, and shows he has the intensity and diet in place to succeed.

i had a friend who lost that much weight in a year. u know how he did it? 1 meal a day. a lot of times if someone loses weight that fast it's from starving themselves because it's hard to lose that much weight that fast doing it the right way. but like u said neither one of us knows what his diet and training is like. if anything he should take something more mild like 3-ad or perhaps epistane, it's been shown by most on the boards to have less sides than havoc.