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- 09-18-2008, 08:49 PM
gah....I came in her hoping YOU were reviewing it.
The only feedback I have is in conjunction with Havoc, and while reports of lethargy were serious, gains were apparently mind blowing - size and hardness/strength.
Waiting for the full retail release, myself.Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
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- 09-18-2008, 08:59 PM
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I want to try it and I am willing to pay the direct price from ergopharm but I am worried about the side effects. I would hate to lose my hair.I am over 40 and have some issues with hair already.To be honest I know very little about these types of supplements. I want to get bigger and stronger and more cut without the side effect issues. Am I in dream land or what?
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09-18-2008, 09:54 PM
Havoc looks like a great product for gaining strength and muscle. What about losing bodyfat. I am about 16 % and would like to get below 10 % without losing much muscle. Last year i was 35% and I have lost about 70 pounds.
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09-19-2008, 02:46 AM
Unicorn, i'd go for Havoc too. Maybe IGF-2 from AN might do you some good as well, if you're uber concerned about hair loss, but Havoc will kick in much quicker (within a week, vs the three weeks for IGF-2).
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09-19-2008, 11:38 AM
unicorn, this new 1-AD seems to be far inferiour to its popular and banned predecessor. Google for it, I have found only mildly to very disappointed honest users.
And it's damn expensive. If you want to mess with hormonal stuff, there's now way around real roids.
09-19-2008, 11:40 AM
We will have some for sale to stores and distributors in Nov 08 We are still working on alot of things before mass producing it.
09-19-2008, 11:41 AM
In the mean time if you are looking for the best prohormone out there I would recommend that you use havoc. I have used it many of times and got some amazing results. I am stacking the Havoc with the 1-ad right now and starting to see some great results
09-19-2008, 11:48 AM
my opinion of steroids and PH's are this: under 21 no way. 23 is the accepted age to start them. i agree that you should reach your body's natural potential first, thats a great point. most young people don't understand the intensity it takes to make great gains off a cycle, much less the diet required to make that happen. someone who has already lost 70 pounds of fat probably understands that better than most. Havoc is a mild compound, that is good for beginners because it does not shut down test as hard as some of the others - PP, SD, etc. This is also why i recommended IGF-2 , which is fairly effective for his goals, with again, limited if any shut down.
i'd argue your point on him not knowing about training, if he can loose that kind of weight. that he might not be familiar with PH's is no surprise - most people that take it for the first time don't know what they're taking. at least he's getting advise about it rather than "take it and see what happens", which is in my opinion what caused the recent summer ban - HS kids trying a compound with no idea what they were taking, being too young, and having no diet or training program worth a damn in place. that's my 2 cents.
i'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but in my opinion, he's done everything right - diet and exercise wise, appropriate age, we should advise him on what works best for his goals, not tell him to "go fly a kite".
Personally, yes, his training might need to be addressed, but you haven't even asked him what his training regimen is, and you're already jumping to a conclusion. Also, at his age, his natural GH levels would be lower (which is a great fat burner), so again IGF-2 might be as beneficial as Havoc for him. Those two compounds have great feedback in putting on muscle and burning fat, minimal shutdown (for what it is), and is probably just what he needs to make that final transition from 16% body fat to 10-12, where he will be very close to his "genetic potential". I think the fat loss he has had justifies his want to use, and shows he has the intensity and diet in place to succeed.
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Where as, things people called prohormones such as M1t/pp/sd/hv/epi, but were not as they were basically STEROIDS did wonders (i only too pp and m1t)
I never met a prohormone which I held a long conversation with; however, me and the designers have shared bed sides on a few occasions back in 04-06.
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09-20-2008, 02:07 PM
Oh, as far as the guy goes that lost 70lbs in a year. I am guessing it was more like 14 months, maybe?
Anywho, I would commend him for doing that and suggest to continue doing what you've done to get what you've gotten. It seems to me that you're already on a great track ...
I would also suggest that you might want to do some researching, googling (<is that a word, lol??) and check here and other boards to get an idea of what you want to try. Research Havoc, epi and some searches for SERMs, ancillaries or the new alternatives, and you may find yourself a nice little niche.
EDIT: If your head isn't an oddball shape, just go baldy. Nice physique, and a baldy, goes well with the public here in the south. But that's between you and your wife, lol.
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09-20-2008, 07:45 PM
Suncloud, are you talking about Applied nutra's IGF-2?
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