AMS Hormone Regulation Stack

[Pemmican]

Hey everyone,

heres a log of what i have/will be up to for the next 4 weeks of training.

My stack will be as follows:

1 Andro - 4 caps per day in divided doses (100 mg/cap)
4Ad - 4 Caps per day in divided doses (200 mg /cap)
Deca Vol 3 Caps per day, divided doses again (60 mg/cap)
(DecaVol will only be for the first 3 weeks)

PCT will include:

Arom - X 4 caps per day, at night
Toremifene (liquid)
Week 1 120mg
week 2 120 mg
week 3 60 mg
week 4 30 mg


in the morning, i will have a protein shake (whey 46g) mixed with one scoop of Anabolic Innovations Cycle support. Plain shake pre/post workout, as well as one before bed (total 132g protein)

in the pre-workout shake, i will mix in 4g of Higher Power 100% Micronized Creatine, as well as take 4 Hyper Trop-X caps.

Water consumption will include approx 1.5 - 2 gallos per day (including some gatorade post workout)

My workout is a 3 day split, each day completed 2 times per week, and sundays will be an active recovery day.

My splits look like this:

Chest/Tri
Dumbbell Bench (4 x 10)
Dumbbell INcline Bench (3 x 10)
Dumbbell flies ( 3 x 10)
Weighted Dips (4 x 10)
Cable Pushdowns ( 3 x 10)
Triceps Kickbacks w/ dumbbells ( 3 x 10)

Back/Bis (all 3 x 10)
Weighted Widegrip overhand pullups
Lat Pulldowns
Seated Cable Row
T Bar Row
Dumbbell Row
Straight Bar Curls (I hate EZ Bar!!!)
Dumbbell Hammers
Dumbbell/Cable Preachers
Standing Concentration Curls (just like arnold used to do)

Legs and Shoulders
Deep Squats (4 x 10)
Leg Press (4 x 12)
Leg Extension (3 x 10)
Leg Curl (3 x10)
Seated Calf Raise (4 x 15)
Seated Barbell Military (3 x 10)
Seated Lateral Raise (3x10)
Bent Lateral Raise (3x10)
Barbell Shrugs (3x10)

Ill post every few days (including today) how the workouts go, how i feel, etc.

 

[smshannon001]

good to see someone daring to test the AMS products (fairly pricey for recommended dosages) and many dont like the company

 

[Pemmican]

Day 1

Took total of 4 1Andro, 4 4AD and 3 DecaVol.
got slight headache from the ph's, but a shake with the Cycle Support cleared that up fairly quickly. Peanut butter cycle support tastes/smells like **** but it gets the job done.

workout today was chest/tris. best pump i've felt in a long time, and stayed pumped for about an hour after the lift (longest i have ever had)

besides the early headache (which didnt come back after the second dose of the ph's) there have been no side effects besides a fruity taste in my mouth, which i am associating with the stack because it has never been there before. I feel dry though, i drank, 10 bottles of water/gatorade (vending machine size) as well as 2 glasses of milk, 1 of cranberry juice, and 2 of water at meals.

So far so good...no abdominal pain (liver, kidneys, upset stomach, etc)

 

[Pemmican]

good to see someone daring to test the AMS products (fairly pricey for recommended dosages) and many dont like the company

it is a bit pricey, but i have heard a lot of good things about the stack from friends so i decided i needed to try for myself. i'm confident in the product though, because i have used hyper trop-x for almost a month now, and i have loved it...i know its not the same as ph's but if the quality of the ph's is the same, then i know i'll be satisfied with the product

 

[tattoopierced1]

subbed! cant wait to see your results

 

[Pemmican]

Day 2

Hey guys,

heres the breakdown for day 2 (as of 6:30PM)

So far i have taken 3 each of 1 andro and 4ad, as well as 2 decavol caps. the other people in the dorm have noticed a change in my attitude. i have become slightly more irritable.

Today, i lifted back and bi's (see the split breakdown in original post). This is my first week back on this program in about 3 months (the last time i was on it, i had been taking Animal Stak 2) so i decided to drop weights by about 5lbs across the board because for the past month, i have done mainly body weight stuff, as a break from my normal heavy lifting. The weights felt light, which was good, so i will increase weight next time through (for back and bi's, this will be friday). Again, i got a great pump from this lift.I think that it is probably the Hyper Trop-X, and not the PH's, but its still good.

besides the new chip on my shoulder, there haven't been an new sides. since the first time i got the headache and drank the shake, they haven't come back. occasionally my urine burns, but from what I've read, that means this sh*t is working, so i ll take it. There is still a fruity taste in my mouth, but nothing has caused me to worry.

i don't have access to a scale at this point, but by Saturday, i will be able to record weight.

 

[moondg29]

I've got a scale if you want to borrow one.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Sweet log man. Your split is pretty high volume so just be careful with the over training.

Your gonna blow up on this cycle. How many cals/day?

 

[Pemmican]

End of Week 1 (Day 7)

It has been a full week on my current cycle, and i am pretty pleased with my results.

2 weeks ago, the day i left for school, i was 187lbs (nothing but underwear in the morning). Today at 8:30PM, i weighed in at 200lbs clothed (no shoes) so i'll take off 5 lbs for time of day/clothing, and call it 195lbs. I know most of this has been lean muscle because i have slimmed out noticeably.

energy wise, i have been in great shape. last week, there were 3 nights where i went back to the gym 6-7 hours later and lifted a different body part very light, basically an active recovery for that muscle/group.

health wise, i have been good, however, if i don't drink my shake with cycle support in the morning, even if i take it an hour or two later, i get headaches/stomach pain. however, when i take the shake, i have none of these symptoms.

i have been drinking roughly a gallon and a half of water and approx 3000kcals per day. During the week, i have been eating like this:

meal 1 - 6:45 Protein Shake w/cycle support (320kcals/46g protein)

meal 2 - 7:30 2 hb eggs, scoop of potato product, 1 cup yogurt, 1 piece fruit, 1 glass water, 1 glass (1/2 water, 1/2 cranberry juice)

meal 3 - 12:00 1 large salad w/light dressing, i cereal bowl of tuna w/relish, 1 glass water, 1 glass iced tea

meal 4 - 3:30 protein shake (46 g protein/260kcals)

meal 5 - 5:30 - large salad w/ light dressing, cereal bowl of tuna w/ relish, cereal bowl of pasta with meat sauce, 1 glass water, 1 glass iced tea

meal 6 - 9:00 1 grilled chicken breast sandwich, 1 glass iced tea or water

meal 7 - 10:30 protein shake (46g Protein/260kcals)

besides this, i drink about 6 bottles of water a day, as well as 2 gatorades.

all protein shakes are made with 10 - 12oz of water.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

subadubdubbed

good luck Pemm!

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Good feedback after only 1 week.

 

[moondg29]

How's the pump?

 

[Pemmican]

forgot to mention that i have had greatly increased aggression/irritability. its good because much of that aggression carries over into the workouts...its bad because i almost started 2 fights the other night at a dance when guys stepped on my gf while they were walking past us.

 

[TexasLifter89]

looking good man!

 

[Pemmican]

How's the pump?

the pump is awesome...especially on back and bis days/chest and tri's days. it feels like blowing up (definitely the hyper trop-x as opposed to the PH stack, but still an added benefit

 

[tattoopierced1]

the pump is awesome...especially on back and bis days/chest and tri's days. it feels like blowing up (definitely the hyper trop-x as opposed to the PH stack, but still an added benefit

what is your weight up to now and have you changed your diet any?

 

[Pemmican]

1/3 Done!

Alright, I am officially 1/3 of the way done with my entire cycle of 1-Andro, 4-AD and DecaVol from Advanced Muscle Science as well as AMS Hyper Trop-X and I thought that this would be a good time to write an honest review of the product as I have experienced it.

Physical Gains

A little over 2 weeks ago, I was 187lbs dressed in shorts, T-shirt and socks. As of today, wearing that same amount of clothing, I weigh in at a solid 200lbs. Clearly, there are some serious gains there. I do not think that I look all that much bigger, however a few friends, my girlfriend and my parents have all asked what I have been doing differently, especially regarding my arms, shoulders, chest and back, which they say all look bigger overall, with some more definition especially in the chest and shoulders.

Here are my most recent measurements:

Thigh/Quad: 20.5 inches
Calf: 15.5 inches
Waist: 31 Inches (at belly-button)
Chest: 40.25 inches
Shoulders: 51.25 inches
Bi's: 16.25 inches (arm flexed)
Tri's: 15.25 inches (arm out straight)
Fore Arms: 15 inches
Neck: 16.5 Inches

Mental/Psychological

There have been some good and some bad mental/emotional side effects. During the lift, i am especially aggressive, which is great. I have a drive to work more in the gym, as well as out. I feel more confident most of the time.

Sometimes, however, its like being on the proverbial "emotional roller coaster"; essentially like being on puberty all over again...puberty on steroids (pun intended). It takes very little to get me mad, sad, happy, agitated, anything. It is kind of stressful, but only time will tell if it was worth it.

Performance Gains

I have increased all of my lifts substantially...all by about 10 lbs in the past 10 days. I do lift high volume so the weights were low to begin with, however, bench w/ dumbbells went up to 100lbs for four sets of 10 from 85lbs a week and a half ago. Squat is up 20 lbs as well. Based on performance gains alone, i would potentially take the product again.

Diet

Sticking to my diet has been hard because i am a full time student with almost full time work to do, however I have been very good about eating well. For the most part, my diet has been the same as I posted a few days ago, although i do occasionally miss a protein shake.

I need to start increasing my caloric intake/protein now because of my increase in weight. I notice that I will eat until I am completely full to the point of feeling sick, and then 30 minutes later, i am starving again.

I think that this may be why i am plateaued at 200lbs, so over the next few days, i will increase my intake and see how i am doing on Sunday evening.

So far, I like the stack. I'm not too keen on the emotional side effects or the increased acne on my back and arms, but overall, I am pleased. :woohoo:

-Pemm

 

[tattoopierced1]

right on man, sounds like you've had a great run so far!

 

[Pemmican]

right on man, sounds like you've had a great run so far!

yeah, its been really good so far. I forgot to mention earlier that my recovery is through the roof. I have done this routine EASILY this past week, without any soreness whatsoever. When I have done this natural (aka just protein and creatine), I was sore after every lift. So that is another great benefit.

 

[Pemmican]

just a quick question to anyone who may know:

I have liquid Toremifene as my SERM - so what would be the best way to take that? Can it be mixed into a small drink, or should I just shoot it right down by itself?

Also, I picked up a bottle of 6-oxo. Should this be used as party of my PCT, or with the Arom-X and Toremifene, is it too much?

Thanks for the help!!

 

[tattoopierced1]

SERMs I usually chase with something, so right down the hatch I say.

I'd try the Arom-X and just keep the Torm on standby just in case.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Yep put the torem on your tongue (do not swallow yet), then chase it down quickly with something like gator/powerade.

 

[Pemmican]

SERMs I usually chase with something, so right down the hatch I say.

I'd try the Arom-X and just keep the Torm on standby just in case.

Thanks for the help Tattoo and R-t-N, too. Why would you hold off on the Toremfene to start with?

 

[Pemmican]

Half Way Through!

As of yesterday, i was halfway through my stack. It was a little depressing finishing off my first bottles of 1-Andro, 4-AD and Hyper Trop-X, but its ok because i get to open up a whole new bottle tomorrow anyway.

I don't have a scale here, right now, so I'll make sure i get on one tomorrow and update everyone on my weight, but I'm willing to guess around 203-205...i guess we'll have to see tomorrow.

Everything has been the same...I don't feel any different, however, i have noticed that my liver has been working extra hard (by looking in the bowl ) so I am going to start taking the Cycle Support 4 times per day...1 half scoop every time i take my PH's, that way i'll be able to maintain a more healthy balance of positive enzymes round the clock. Also, I was talking to a credible nutritionist and he recommended that I start taking the 6-oxo during the rest of the cycle, so as of sunday, i began taking 3 pills at night.

As for my diet, I have been eating more at meals, and then I am hungry again 20 minutes later so i have been consuming more protein shakes/bar between meals. water intake has remained around 1.5 -2 gallons a day.

I'll update my weight tomorrow.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

Why did he say you should be taking 6-OXO?

I see no reason, unless you got gyno flaring up.

 

[Pemmican]

Why did he say you should be taking 6-OXO?

I see no reason, unless you got gyno flaring up.

I forget the exact reasoning behind it, but he said that it would help with bloating and with any small symptoms of gyno. I have been bloated, to the point where it is constricting all throughout my back, chest, and abs. Since going on the 6-OXO a few days ago (3), it has slowly gotten better. Also, my nipples were getting a little puffy, and this has helped to reduce that as well.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

I forget the exact reasoning behind it, but he said that it would help with bloating and with any small symptoms of gyno. I have been bloated, to the point where it is constricting all throughout my back, chest, and abs. Since going on the 6-OXO a few days ago (3), it has slowly gotten better. Also, my nipples were getting a little puffy, and this has helped to reduce that as well.

Ah I got ya.

 

[Pemmican]

Do prohormones weaken your immune system....I have heard that they do, and i have had a cold for the past week and a half :-/

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

I would think otherwise, but, I ain't for sure.

 

[Pemmican]

Hey guys,

its been a while...schools been getting busy, but I just hopped on the scale at 202Lbs. So i have gained about 15 lbs so far. I think more than that in muscle though because I have been loosing fat as well. I'd be interested in getting my body fat tested, but my machine is at my house. I'll most likely do that over this coming weekend.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Is your cycle over now? Or where at in the cycle are you?

Hormonal changes in general can alter the immune system btw.

 

[JOHNJESSICA20]

Just found this log and wanted to find out what your thoughts are thus far?

 

[Pemmican]

Here's where I'm at thus far.

I am currently in week 4 of my 4 week cycle, and I will take my last doses of 4AD, and 1 Andro on Sunday (the 5th). I finished my DecaVol last sunday.

As of today, I am 202 lbs, but as I said before, I think I gained more than 15 lbs of muscle because I clearly lost about 6-8 lbs of fat. I have more definition everywhere. I just got back from my lift today, and with the pump (I did Bi's and Back today) the peaks of my bi's looked fake. Starting to get pointy almost...now that the pump has gone away though, they are back to being round/"normal".

Vascularity has gotten a lot better. I have a lot of veins now in my chest, more than the single verticle vein on my bi's, and forearms are like spiderwebs. All very much improved over where I was 3 and a half weeks ago.

I have been taking three pills of 6-OXO and two of Stoked! at night with my final dose of 4AD/Andro. In the very beginning of week three, I noticed a lot of bloating and a little bit of puffiness in my nipples, both of which have gone away, and the Stoked! helped with some of the headaches that I have been getting because of the Resveratrol. ( Edit: the Resveratrol helped get rid of the headaches)

this coming Monday, the 6th, I will begin taking 4 arom-X at night, and 60Mmg of Toremifene per day. I'm not sure what time of day to take it at. Any input there would be good...I was thinking first thing in the morning.

Overall, the stack has been good for size gains...it was a little bit wet, but after taking the 6-OXO, I was able to fix that, and I have dried out a little bit.

As I mentioned before, my temper has gone up and down very easily, but for the past week or so, I have been able to control my mood and emotions more easily. I probably got used to having more test in my system.

acne has become more and more of a problem. for the first 2 weeks, there was nothing, but for the last week and a half, i have felt really oily, especially my hair, face, and back. my face didnt break out, but my chest, shoulders, back and tris started to get a little zitted out. no big deal though...just had to wear sleeves to the gym if i was feeling self conscious.

I'll post again soon and take measurements, to track progress a little better as opposed to my descriptions. My biggest regret is that I didnt take before.during/after photos. lesson learned, and i will do that for all future logs.

Pemm

 

[JOHNJESSICA20]

Looks like the stak worked great! Would you be interested in doing a testimonial for us and maybe some after pics.

 

[Pemmican]

Looks like the stak worked great! Would you be interested in doing a testimonial for us and maybe some after pics.

Yeah, let me know what you need, and I would be happy to get it done.

 

[Pemmican]

Here are some pics I took tonight after my lift. Still need a lot of work, however, I am very pleased with my progress so far.

I forgot to take a front "most muscular", and my front biceps flex came out blurry...should have checked that after my friend took it for me. I'll post more, hopefully improved, pics later in the week.

I can't wait to get on my cuttinf cycle...I have my diet and SANS Tight! Xtreme lined up, as well as a new lifting/cardio regimen to get the definition better. That will be an 8 week jaunt, after a 4 week PCT.

Also, on the back flexed, I kinda stopped flexing...it is what it is though...i I can work on posing later :bb3:

 

[Pemmican]

Today is my last day on the 1-Andro and the 4-Ad...i'll post some new stats either tonight or tomorrow..whenever i can get on a scale and whenever i can get around to taking some measurements.

 

[Pemmican]

Took my last doses of 1-Andro and 4-AD last night. I start the Toremifene today. I'm going to go with a flat does of 60mg/day once in the morning, for four (4) weeks.

to celebrate finishing my cycle, i had a bigmac, a double cheeseburger and a chicken sandwich...after 4 weeks of cycle support, it tasted pretty effing good

 

[Pemmican]

Thank you to everyone who followed along with my AMS log. It was a great experience, including learning about the products, the sick gains that I made, and also, the great feedback I got from the people who followed closely and didnt hesitate to give me advice.

Here is my newest log. I will make this one even more complete than I tried to make this one for AMS. Give it a read, and any feedback would be awesome

Pemm

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/107623-pemmican-s-san.html