Inside: poison's unsponsored Blue Gene log. Violence! Grappling! Deadly techniques!
- 09-02-2008, 03:15 PM
Inside: poison's unsponsored Blue Gene log. Violence! Grappling! Deadly techniques!
Yeah, so I bought Blue Gene on my own, received it on Friday, and will be logging my experience here.
Who cares, right? Well, you should! I've agreed to subject myself to the gruelling regimen of judo training, for 2 hours three times a week, to put Blue Gene to the test. Will the 'Stimulant Free Endurance and Stamina' aid my quest for physical power and domination on the mat, or will I end the month a beaten, quivering mass of humanity? Will the Natural Hormone Levels and Recovery optimization rewind my internal clock by 15 years, or will I limp off the mat a cowed aging fool?
About me: I'm 34, and when I started judo 5 months ago I weight 194 at 6'0" with ~10-12% bodyfat, very visible abs. For reference, I was at a 350lb deadlift, and I recently ran a 5k with no running/training in 21:40, came in 3rd in my age group, 49th out of 500.
I completely stopped all other forms of training to do judo. I've wanted to take a martial art for years, and finally broke down and did it. I didn't have a preference as to which art I took, I just wanted 1) a high level of instruction, 2) realistic, full force/full contact training, and 3) something usable on the street.
Judo isn't that popular here in the US, but it's wildly popular elsewhere around the world. Some here may not know what exactly it entails, so, in short, it's basically throws from the standing position, and transitions to grappling on the ground. Brazilian Jiu jitsu was derived from judo, so they share a lot of the same grappling skills.
The training is intense. High level judo fighters have very high levels of fitness, and I believe fighting of any style is as demanding as it gets, with grappling being the hardest. You're in constant tension with your opponent when grappling, and there's no letting up.
Class starts out with a 20-40 minute 'warm-up', which consists of pretty much every calesthenic known to man, and then some, back-to-back: running, pushups, situps, crunches, leg raises/flutters/planks, lunges, and a lot of pairing up and lifting/pulling/gragging the other guy around. It's brutal.
Then class starts. We do 15-20 minutes instruction and practice of a technique and/or its variations, then 15 minutes of ground fighting. Another 10 minutes of practicing stand-up techniques, then 45 minutes of all out full-contact fighting/throwing.
It's a weird combination of aerobic endurance with many intense anaerobic bursts. I spend a lot of time with someone elses weight on my, lifting them, pulling them, directing them. I get thrown countless times a class, 50 or more. In the beginning getting up is tiring, all by itself. Getting thrown hurts, though I'm getting better at falling. I've had a concussion, nasty cauliflower ear, wicked sprained toes, a sprained foot/ankle, wicked sore finger joints, and tons of weird bruises and ****ed up shin swelling.
So far on Blue Gene: I'm on my 4th day, and I've been working very hard, with little sleep, but I had wood the last two mornings. When I'm this tired, it doesn't happen, so take that for what its worth. Nothing else to report.
My first class on Blue Gene is tomorrow, so I'll be back then!
Here's a vid of judo ippons, or scoring, match-finishing throws:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlkAeYbNjEg&feature=re lated"]YouTube - Extreme Judo (HQ) - High Quality[/ame]
And for fun:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMJixq-LbgI"]YouTube - James Cagney does Judo[/ame]
- 09-02-2008, 04:21 PM
Wow, subb'd! I've done martial arts my whole life (chinese traditional styles) and totally respect Judo. I'll definitely be following this one!!!!
- 09-02-2008, 08:28 PM
09-02-2008, 08:33 PM
I'm in to see what kind of wicked fighting habits I can learn from you! Well that and to watch your pain
09-02-2008, 10:51 PM
09-03-2008, 12:28 AM
09-04-2008, 11:22 AM
Will do, Bioman!
I popped my 5 Blue Gene at 6:15PM last night and made my way to class. I was tired, so I drank a half a blue Monster (gotta color match the supps, you know ) just for a caffeine pop. I usually have some form of caffeine pre-judo, as by the time I hit class, I've been up 14 hours, working 11.
I missed Fridays class, and the dojo was closed Monday, so our sensei decided to 'make up for it' by kicking our asses in the warm up. It went like this:
Light run, then the following exercises for 20-60 reps. 3 kinds of squats, lunges, leg flutters, bicycles, adductor crap, 3 variations of supermans, leg lifts with person throwing legs down, straight leg situps with person pushing you down, reverse crunches, 4 kinds of pushups, shoulder raises, and more stuff I can't remember. It seemed like it never effin stopped, but it was 40+ minutes.
Then we practices breakfalls: forward, backward, and sideways. THe goal is to accept that you are falling, and spread the impact over as much area of the body as possible, while protecting the vital areas, like the head and joints.
A short random vid showing it more or less:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDhzGo-9wqg&NR=1"]YouTube - judo ukemi[/ame]
By this time, I was feeling pretty tired, and kind of like my body was just starting to wake up from its 5 day vacation. I felt pretty crappy during the warmup, missing classes always feels bad upon return, but at this point, 45-50 minutes in, I felt better.
Then we practiced a technique, ouchi gari, an inner leg sweep, and different situations in which to apply it, which looks like this:
A Karo Parisiyan vid of it:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFAFKQThj9U"]YouTube - Karo Parisyan, Judo For Mixed Martial Arts, Ouchi-Gari[/ame]
We then did 10 minutes of newaza, or ground fighting. I ended up going with the sensei, and got armbarred, then choked to ****.
After than we did 10 minutes of free practice, where we pair up and do whatever we want, but without resisting, and without actually throwing, for muscle memory sake.
By this time, as you can imagine, I was shaking. THe bout with the sensei killed me. But after a few minutes of free practice, I recovered quite nicely.
The last 45 minutes were full-force fighting, for 3-5 minute intervals, switching partners every time. Judo stresses actual fighting time for several reasons:
1) judo was developed from japanese jiu jitsu, and Kano, the founder of Judo, believed taking the deadly or dangerous techniques out of the equation would make it more effective overall, because you could then train full-force with a resisting partner without fear of injury or death. Truth be told, his fighters took on the top jiu jitsu guys of his day, and they soundly beat them. Realistic training FTW!
2) judo is all about body mechanics and timing. There's only one way to learn and develop your sense of both: actual time spent moving someone's body around. It takes intuition, and 'feeling', something you only gain through contact.
3) Judo is very competition oriented, and the benefits of lots of real fighting in this area are clear.
If I go in to randori, or free-fighting, with the aim to do the best I can EVERY round, to pull off EVERY throw I attempt, I bonk in about two rounds. It's brutal. Judo fighters know how to use their strength and weight VERY efficiently, and someone with a slight technical advantage bests my strength EVERY time. It's like fighting a brick wall (or water), even if I have 40-50lbs on the guy. So I'm looking for some botanical aid from Blue Gene. I have good endurance, but there is no such thing as too much! I did pretty good this class, despite the effed warmup and lack of sleep and food during my 5 days off. I'm excited to see how Blue Gene performs in this regard.
So far, libido is noticable; it's not like Fenotest, which I quit taking because I felt like I had been possessed by a serial rapist (Mmm, look at that, hey Babyshut up, *******, I'm busy nowoh, yeah, come on nowdude, that's the co-worker you hateahh, but look at that asshead assplode). It's more subtle, and natural, like it turns on when needed, if you get what I mean. Morning wood is oak.
So far, so good!
09-04-2008, 11:32 AM
09-05-2008, 01:35 PM
very interested in you opinions on blue gene, you have steered me towards good stuff before. know i can count on you for a good honest no bs log. btw seems like you are liking it so far.
09-06-2008, 11:53 PM
Thanks, thebigt, I'm happy to report my results.
I took 5 Blue Gene at 6:10PM last night with a half Monster, and class started at 7:00PM with a very similar warmup to Weds class: 35 minutes straight of different variations each of burpees, pushups, situps, crunches, leg raises, leg flutters, front and back wheelbarrows, and a bunch of exercises where, say, one guy stands, bent over with hands on knees, the other guy leapfrogs over directly to prone upon landing, crawls through the standing guys legs, stands up and leapfrogs again, etc. I had good energy and endurance during this, better than on WEds.
Then we practiced technique, an extension of Weds class: ouchi gari, the inner leg sweep, but showed the options if the person dodged back or forward, or if the technique failed, basically stringing several techniques together. Say, inner leg sweep, he pushes, you turn into him pulling and hop throw, using his push against him. Freakin sweet! (vids and gif of technique above)
WE then did ground fighting for 15 minutes. I fought a guy who I did not realize is an actor, until I saw the movie Redbelt last week. He was the ref in that movie. He's a BJJ guy, and tough for me. My other two opponents were better than me, but I was bigger and stronger, so it was back and forth. I felt remarkably better at this point than on WEds class, not shaky at all.
Next we did another 10-15 minutes of free practice with no throws, which were very interesting. I partnered with a smaller middle aged black belt who I've never gone with. When doing free practice, there is to be no resistance. I tried a hip throw, and couldn't get his 160lbs off the ground. It was very peculiar. I can't begin to explain in words how these slight, older guys can manipulate their weight and my leverage to their advantage. It's insane, and really motivates me: I want to do that too! Judo gives fighters a VETY strong base or center. Interesting, because its so opposite of the typical 'wax on, wax off' tai chi mumbo jumbo stuff most people think provides that.
Randori, or free fighting, was 45 minutes. A friend came from work to watch, as I'm trying to convince him to join the club. He got a real show, I was getting tossed like a rag doll, spectacularly, but I also did well, and got some good throws in myself, a rare occurrence. One of the black belts likes to abuse me, and used these two throws:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOIbQ2cXRHU"]YouTube - Tomoe Nage (Instructional)[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjwerq6UZIs&feature=re lated"]YouTube - Harai TsuriKomi Ashi (Instructional)[/ame]
This guy throws hard, and puts weight behind it. THe first throw above is actually fun to experience; the second is so sudden and forceful its bizarre. THere's little warning it's gonna happen.
This fight session was very hard. I fought mostly black belts, and as one of them commented, I'm getting better and they're having to work harder. Well, they may be working harder to throw me, but along with that comes rougher treatment, and I'M busting my ass to throw them. It's seriously anaerobic, and I finished class strong. Recovery from the periods of being on the brink, or bumping up against my VO2 max, is quickening. I really like how I felt during this class: strong, with good energy and endurance, as well as good focus.
09-07-2008, 10:27 AM
09-07-2008, 01:00 PM
been using c5, thinking to get vo2max and do 2/2 per day. it seems c5 is more long term [12 hour] and vo2max is more short term. i think they would complement the blue gene nicely.
09-07-2008, 11:19 PM
09-08-2008, 11:03 AM
Very interesting to read these sessions, I've never seen a log for Judo + supplements. It's pretty awesome!
09-08-2008, 12:10 PM
Thanks! Judo is a TON of fun!
It's funny, a lot of judo guys don't know much about supplements; the older ones seem to look down on them. MMA/BJJ guys are more into them, it seems. As unconventional, informal, and new as judo is, it's still got traditional martial art roots.
As hard as training here is, it's pretty weak compared to how it's supposed to be. We do a 40 minute warmup: at the Kodokan, the premier Japanese judo training center, they do 3-4 hours of that a day. We do 45 minutes actual fighting each class, unmatched among martial arts; they do 3-4 hours, twice a day.
Like I said, judo fighters are among the most fit fighters on the planet, and despite the lack of press they get here, they hold their own, or win, on international fight circuits.
09-08-2008, 12:49 PM
09-08-2008, 04:12 PM
09-09-2008, 10:53 PM
Ok, so yesterday I was tired. Exhausted. A Monster wasn't going to work, so I drank half an Endorush with my 5 Blue Genes. I felt much better by the time class hit.
I realized something: I get itchy palms within 20 minutes of taking Blue Gene, almost like the beta alanine tingle, but isolated to the base of my palm. I have felt it, but hadn't really noticed until last night, sitting and waiting for the Endorush to caffeinated my brain. It's not the niacinamide as that shouldn't flush; it must be the ginko. It goes away within ten minutes. Interesting.
Anyway, I seem to get a sort of calm mental clarity, and the added kick of the Endorush was quite nice.
The regular sensei came late, so another black belt warmed us up. It was quite tame compared to the usual; good thing, given I was tired to start with.
The regular sensei showed up just as we finished the warm up, and we continued with the techniques we've been learning, the inner foot sweep, and options thereafter, including this beauty of a throw:
(watch the vid, there are some spectacular throws in there )
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R43op-tg-_E&feature=related"]YouTube - JUDO Best Uchimata- music by Queen[/ame]
I got spanked in groundfighting, but one of the black belts said I'm getting tougher. Sweet. It was a tough session. We did a quick ten minute practice session with no throws, and hit a LONG fight session.
I had felt kind of off to start, and tired, and I was tapped from the ground fighting. I was struggling with the technique learning part of things. In the free fighting, I was very tired, but realized the people i was fighting were more tired than me; in other words, i was pushing hard and recovery fast between bouts.
And I did something beautiful: I was fighting a very experienced black belt. I tried the inner sweep we've been working on. He avoided me. I transitioned to an outside hip throw, which he blocked by thrusting his hips into mine, but his block left his legs spread, me sideways in contact with his body. I hooked my right leg around his left, and drove hard into him with my left, just like we've been learning. He went on his ass, and immediately said with a smirk "You gotta embarrass me like that?". It's the first time I've strung a flowing stream of techniques together without any real conscious thought. I actually got several good throws in, once more against that same guy.
progress! I feel like I'm able to keep my coordination longer at the ragged edge of exhaustion, as well as recover from that edge faster, with Blue Edge.
09-10-2008, 11:23 AM
Great log poison. I would love to be able to take Judo but there is none offered around here. I could kick myself for not taking advantage of the free classes I could have had when I was stationed in Japan. I was young and my thought processes weren't the best, drinking and whores were the priorities back then.
09-10-2008, 12:18 PM
Thanks! I don't understand, judo goes hand-in-hand with drinking and whoring. Where are you at now?
I neglected to mention: vascularity is up a LOT.
09-10-2008, 04:46 PM
09-10-2008, 05:30 PM
09-10-2008, 07:41 PM
Bowling Green Bowling Green KY Judo Club Fred G. Barnett
Elizabethtown Elizabethtown Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Judo Josh Johnson
Hazard United States Jujitsu Federation Jonathan Helton
Lebanon Lebanon Judo Tony Sandoval
Lexington University of Kentucky Judo Club Scott Hardin
Lexington Four Seasons United Martial Arts Brian Jones
Louisville Toshi Judo and Jujitsu Dojo John Wortley
Louisville Tohshi Judo and Jujitsu Dojo J Wortley
union Northern Kentucky Judo John Caamano
Union Northern Kentucky Judo John Caamano
Winchester Craig Caudill
Winchester Bluegrass Budokai Craig Caudill
09-11-2008, 10:27 AM
Popped my 5 Blue Gene last night, and hit class. I'll keep this one short, as I was a bit off and clumsy: endurance is up, definitely. Despite fighting hard in the last 45 minutes, I felt unphased after class, which for me means unsatisfied; I'm not happy unless I'm a sore, bruised, quivering mess. So I guess I'll have to push harder, for longer.
I can't wait for FRidays class.
09-12-2008, 03:07 PM
yeah I have seen that JuiJitsu place in Hazard but I heard they were more MMA oriented. I would like to just take strictly Judo.
09-12-2008, 03:38 PM
09-12-2008, 07:57 PM
Yes. Something interesting I just started to notice: My joints feel a bit tight the last two days. Cissus? Maybe.
But yeah, I'm not even getting the full effect yet, I think, and the endurance effects are pronounced. Libido is high, but in a subtle way. Vascularity is pronounced (though I can't speak to pumps, as I don't really get those off judo), and there's definitely a focus component happening here.
That's a lot going on for one supplement. I'll keep an eye on the joint thing; it may be the high percentage extract is lowering cortisol a lot. But chock that up as another benefit for those less sensitive.
09-12-2008, 07:58 PM
09-13-2008, 03:13 AM
09-13-2008, 01:24 PM
Last night, 5 Blue Gene, and off to class.
We practiced 'offensive blocking' of techniques. Essentially the instinct is to push the other guy away, especially when he's about to try to throw. Instead, if you aggressively step in low and kind of thrust with your hips, actually hitting him with some force, you take his space and momentum away. He can't do his technique. There are minor tweaks needed for different throws, but it's really straight forward, even if it goes against what your body is saying to do.
Then we practiced some cool takedowns, where you actually just grab him, lift and arch back so he comes completely off the ground, and slam him on his back.
YouTube - ushiro goshi
I actually got this in randori, free fighting. I was fighting a very good brown belt, he went for a throw, and I popped him up and slammed him down pretty good. I also got a hiza guruma against a black belt:
And a combination which ended in an ashi guruma:
So nice progress. I busted my ass in both the ground fighting and free fighting. I fought a 260lb brown belt in ground fighting, as well as the sensei, and went almost straight through, all out for 45 minutes of free fighting.
Endurance is GREAT. I'll be nearly about to pass out from anaerobic exertion, but i recovery from it quickly, quicker than most people, and quicker than usual for myself. I LOVE it, its exactly what I was looking for.
09-13-2008, 10:37 PM
09-14-2008, 12:12 AM
HEY! I'm not old, just well seasoned.
I'm doing pretty good. I've always been a cardio feind, I have an unusually high VO2 max. I was running 5 miles a couple times a week with my dad at age 7-8, and I've been into biking, working out, and so on since I was a kid.
So fitness is not a problem, it's my co-ordination and reflexes. I'm not a klutz, I just don't translate ideas into physical motion easily. I'm a retard when it comes to planned fancy footwork, though I'm a damn mountain goat when it comes to stuff like outdoor scrambling. I just don't do choreographed stuff well.
Judo moves have three steps, for the most part, though each step can have several simultaneous components. So that part is hard for me.
I won't say Blue Gene is helping me in that regard, but I'm sure the good dose of ginko is not hurting my mental skillz in the learning dept. As I've said, there's a definate nootropic aspect to Blue Gene.
09-14-2008, 08:31 AM
I'm an idiot when it comes to footwork as well. Give me something to smash and i'll do well, but I'll trip over myself if you have me move the way I'm not used to It's definitely harder than it looks to coordinate feet and hands
I agree though, BG is definitely up there for focus / mental clarity
09-14-2008, 09:53 AM
09-14-2008, 01:53 PM
09-16-2008, 07:23 PM
Just time for a quick update: I took 5 Blue Gene AND 3 Core Zap last night, and pushed it really hard. It was different, to say the least. I'll have more to report after tomorrows class.
09-19-2008, 07:47 AM
09-19-2008, 01:00 PM
Yeah, oops: I forgot I had a parent/teacher meeting WEds night, so i missed class, and my wife had surgery on her neck (went fine) yesterday. I'm picking her up today, so I'll say I may miss class tonight, too. At least it's for a good reason.
I'm down to my last 1/3 or 1/4 bottle of Blue Gene. As for Core Zap...I'm not sure I like it for my purposes. I need to play with it more. Just based on the one serving, I prefer using Blue Gene only. But sometimes I'm really exhausted, mentally, as my days are long, so I need some energy. It just may not be the kind of energy I want.
09-20-2008, 02:57 PM
Woke up this morning, and said 'Damn, I can't miss two judo classes and not do ANYTHING', so I hit the gym first thing, empty stomach, 5 Blue Gene and a double espresso (half my normal amount).
I did an easy 2 mile run in 16 minutes, at a slight incline. I was barely breathing, I mean it was so far sub-maximal it was a joke. And I don't even run.
Then I did deadlift, 15-30 seconds rest between sets:
25 x 135
15 x 135
10 x 135
I've lost strength, I was doing 40 x 135 before I stopped working out 6 months ago. Then I did some random pullups.
A guy at the gym I haven't seen in 8 months or so said I look fantastic, lean and strong. He said I have a different look in my eye, so I told him I'm only taking judo, and he said 'Ah, that's it'. It was interesting to hear someone else's perspective.
So as this is my first, and probably last, gym workout on Blue Gene, I'll say this: cardio was just silly. The run was all aerobic, as opposed to judo which is HIIT'ish. My legs were feeling a bit tired by thE end, as it's just a different movement, but overall it was a breeze. Mentally, I felt very clear-headed and focused, but unlike a stim, it's relaxed and clean. After doing the high rep deadlift, my legs were pumped as hell, looking as big as before I stopped working out even though they've lost size. Back and shoulders too looked pumped and vascular. Odd, because it was a very short workout without much focus on anything specific. Two hours later my forearms, shoulders, and chest are a Rand McNally, and overall I feel clear and energized.
09-20-2008, 03:53 PM
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