[celc5]

TheThundergod Stack
~2g Bulk Horny Goat Weed (20% Icariin)
~2g Bulk Testofen

While being entertained by Thundergod's philosophical language in his logs, I found a bunch of gems of advice along the way. The man strongly stands by his bulk powder icariin and testofen stack. IMO his opinion is as honest and reliable as anyone on this board.

I'm currently on day 20 of post cycle therapy following a Havoc/Furazadrol to Superdrol bridge. The cycle was very successful and had a relatively quick recovery on all accounts EXCEPT for libido.

Unfortunately, I'm a non-responder to just about every test booster that I've tried to this point. I usually respond very well to libido enhancers such as Paravol, Ejaculoid, and tribulus. Unfortunately, no response this time during this difficult time period.

My main goal for this stack is libido enhancement. If I get some strength or lean mass from the stack, it will be a bonus as I honestly don't expect much in that category.

Testofen Review

Pros
-significantly increased testicular mass
-mild pde5-inhibitor like effects with male size
-mild libido enhancement
-mild muscle hardness
-mild vascularity
-mild mood enhancement

Cons
-severe gas
-mild laxative like effects with soft stool
-most will want to cap this powder, although some might tolerate it
-takes about 14 days to "kick in"

[Royd The Noyd]

Good feedback early on. Keep us updated. What were you dosing the trib at that it didnt work this time? Proto/sapo content in it?

[Steveoph]

Bulk Testofen was good at 2g/ED. 4g should show even more effects.

I wish we carried some bulk Naringin/Bioperine to make your icariin better absorpted, but 4g should be more than enough. With 800mg/day actives, you might notice dry joints, just up the fish oils/EFA's.

[celc5]

Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd

Good feedback early on. Keep us updated. What were you dosing the trib at that it didnt work this time? Proto/sapo content in it?

I was taking 2 tabs of the 1g NOW trib twice per day. I'm pretty sure it's either 40 or 45% steroidal sap. Nothing against the prop blends or the trib, I just think I was shut down hard and then may have overzealously squashed estrogen on top of that.

Originally Posted by Steveoph

Bulk Testofen was good at 2g/ED. 4g should show even more effects.

I wish we carried some bulk Naringin/Bioperine to make your icariin better absorpted, but 4g should be more than enough. With 800mg/day actives, you might notice dry joints, just up the fish oils/EFA's.

I've dabbled with Fenugreek in the past and found it to be only moderately effective. It's still a bit unclear to me the difference between fenugreek and testofen as I admittedly still have some more research to do. These bulk powders are cheap which allows me to dose aggressively at TG's recommendation.

On the flip side, you make an interesting point on the joint issue. If issues arise, I can always back off on the dosage. I've had my right elbow reconstructed and dislocated my left shoulder in the past, but haven't had any issues in about 6-8 months thankfully.

[Trauma1]

I'll be following along celc. I agree with our boy "ThunderGod". He's most certainly a great asset to this board.

[celc5]

Day 1

GAG, twice today I choked down 2g each of the testofen and HGW. The HGW absolutely MUST be capped fellas. I had to play some serious mind games to not barf my brains out. It's almost as bad as bulk cissus powder.

The fen MIGHT be tolerable as a powder. But it's still some pretty nasty stuff. If I have enough nutracaps, I'll be capping both powders tomorrow.

The consistency of both powders is unusually dry, which makes for poor dump and chase strategies.

No changes to report other than a few easily provoked libido surges. I have a feeling this stack is going to do the trick within a few days

Just to add to detail, I'm still finishing out my Torem taper alongside a nice easy 300mg dose of 6oxo. I'll eventually taper the 6oxo as well.

Others supps:
creatine mono
occasional xtend
either 2 caps RPM or 1/2 scoop Fast Twitch preworkout
multi/fish oil/ yadda yadda

[thundergod]

Originally Posted by celc5

Day 1

GAG, twice today I choked down 2g each of the testofen and HGW. The HGW absolutely MUST be capped fellas. I had to play some serious mind games to not barf my brains out. It's almost as bad as bulk cissus powder.

The fen MIGHT be tolerable as a powder. But it's still some pretty nasty stuff. If I have enough nutracaps, I'll be capping both powders tomorrow.

The consistency of both powders is unusually dry, which makes for poor dump and chase strategies.

No changes to report other than a few easily provoked libido surges. I have a feeling this stack is going to do the trick within a few days
Just to add to detail, I'm still finishing out my Torem taper alongside a nice easy 300mg dose of 6oxo. I'll eventually taper the 6oxo as well.

Others supps:
creatine mono
occasional xtend
either 2 caps RPM or 1/2 scoop Fast Twitch preworkout
multi/fish oil/ yadda yadda

I am REALLY trying to choke back the laughter right now!! And I know it's not even funny. The HGW is THE worst tasting stuff I have ever put upon my palate! I still do the "dump and chase" with both products. It won't kill ya! ha ha Might make you wish it would however!! But at the same time it (HGW) is THE most effective libido kicker I have found. I'll look up a study I saw showing how much of the actives in it (the Icariin) compares to the active ingredient in viagra. The Sidefinil or whatever it's called. I shoulda looked it up before posting. But I'll find it if you're interested. But from memory, 1 gram of HGW provides 200 mg. of Icariin which is equivalent to 20 mg. of the sidefinil (SP??) in the viagra. I tend to believe it. And you're already experiencing a libido surge as well. It takes a couple of days for most compounds to start working in the body, so just hang in there brother celc. And the Testofen in the dosages you're taking is going to act like Clomid from my experiences. Did you know the studies done at GenCorp only used 600 mg. of Testofen per day?? And free test doubled after 6 weeks at that small dose. They showed bloodwork from many testers ranging from hard training athletes to non-trained persons. And you're taking 4 grams??!! I only take 2 grams at most. You are gonna love 4 grams of this ball-swelling stuff!! Sorry for the extrememly wordy response, I just wanted to give you the reasons why I think the 2 compounds work so well for me. I used it for my last PCT, and now I've been on a natty run for 3 weeks and I just decided to continue the 2 compounds and consider it a real long PCT (8 weeks) and my libido for the last 3 weeks has been downright frightening. I've turned into a sexual Mr. Hyde!! But Mrs. Thunder is loving it!!!! Keep me updated about your success with this celc. I KNOW it will prove successful for you!! I push these 2 products and DHEA all the time on these forums. It's nice to find some people listen and receive the benefits thereof!! And I am totally humbled by your kind comments. And Trauma1's kind words as well. You gentlemen have been incredibly helpful to me over my 11 month stay here so far. Danke mein bruders!! Bis Spater!!

[thundergod]

Originally Posted by Trauma1

I'll be following along celc. I agree with our boy "ThunderGod". He's most certainly a great asset to this board.

Bro. I don't even know how to respond to this. I have a lump in my throat right now. I am so humbled by your kindness and congeniality. You are a total gentlemen sir. It has been my honor and pleasure to get to know you on these forums. People like yourself, celc5, Tripdog, Crader, and many others have been a real blessing to the Thundergod since I've been here. I couldn't mention everybody else or this thread would be filled with names of the nice people here who have befriended the Thundergod. Thank you Trauma1, and thanks to all the others!!! I LOVE YOU ALL!!

[thundergod]

Originally Posted by celc5

I just think I was shut down hard and then may have overzealously squashed estrogen on top of that.

I'm going to have to be a little bit nosey here and ask what you used that squashed your estrogen. I'm sure we have the culprit here in your libido problem. Everytime I have seen people lower estrogen too much, this happens. It's what happens with ATD that makes most people hate it. It does an amazing job at lowering estrogen. Too good. Above 80%. It's just too strong for people to be taking 100 mg. doses of it. I only use 25 mg. of it and I'm 260 lbs!! We have to be careful with these AI's. A little usually goes a long way. The Havoc itself was keeping estro at bay, were you using something more??!!

[vikinginc]

I will without a doubt be following this one ! Reduced libido is something I deal with as a result of stressing out about work/school and dieting hardcore. Every time I cut, my libido is virtually non-existant !

Best of luck to you ! I'm hoping this'll convince me to run Icariin and/or HGW alongside of Activate Xtreme just around the corner . .

And ThunderGod, you're a man of wise words, indeed. And without a doubt a great asset to this site!

[str1]

I am subbed for this ride, interested in seeing how it goes

[thundergod]

And now 2 more of my Viking Norse brothers have arrived!!! Wilkommen Bruders!! Vikinginc, your kindness is without bounds my friend. Truly the heart of the Thundergod sings with joy anon this morning!! Odin Bless You All!!!