Dont laugh. IDS 17-hydroxy mesterone
- 08-12-2008, 09:23 AM
- 08-12-2008, 09:37 AM
08-12-2008, 09:41 AM
08-12-2008, 09:43 AM
I think i'm going to do it scivation style - do the mixed meals in large bowl at home with the meats, veggies, carbs, etc all together, make a few pounds of it, then just measure it into tupperware containers to bring with me. seems like the best way to control it. that plus protein powder and a shaker cup, and some nuts for snacks
08-12-2008, 09:49 AM
food is easy, at one point i was taking up to 20 pills while at work. that raised some eyebrows at first. everyone is used to it now, no big deal. but i get bugged about what to take for this and for that, no problem though i don't mind that.
08-12-2008, 09:51 AM
08-12-2008, 10:10 PM
Day 13 Part B
4 cups chx/rice... 4 times throughout day.
Normal tuesday pre-wo protocol........
Definately can tell Im off that last stack. The friggin lethargy on this 17HM is legit. I am popping 600mg of caffeine through the day to stay moving.
Warm up squats- ATG
no belt this week
not sure if i could have done the 315 or not.
Calf raises on smith machine-on box, deep slow raises
Laying squat machine
200x15 with 5 second statics
225x10 with 3 second statics
250x8 decent tempo
300x 6 fast temp
Overall so far I am disappointed in this IDS product. I feel like ****e with post afternoon dose. Strength is going down. Libido is it the same. Mood is not better.
In its defense, I have been cutting calories too......... Usually when i do that, my lifts all suffer.
Unless something changes I will sell the other bottle...
Dinner was a PC shake.
I had an drumstick ice cream cone for desert......
08-13-2008, 09:41 AM
Am weight 178.5
Made a doublebatch of chx/rice 16 cups+
I feel my glutes and hams and back from last nights workout. Quads should kick in later today or tonight........See how bad the DOMS is tomorrow.
08-13-2008, 09:47 AM
thanks for the review, if things continue this way you will have saved me from trying this. got to admit interest was peaked at the start. maybe just use second bottle as a pre-workout stim.
08-13-2008, 09:59 AM
I must admit though........
I just came off a wonderful stack........ AX,LX,PCS and ZMA.
And Im cutting calories, bridging into a cut sept 1st(60 days).
For the money i paid for it, its okay.........But 30 or 40 bucks a bottle...........NO WAY.
I will say it again..........That last stack is my favorite so far....Besides real test.
08-13-2008, 10:05 AM
08-13-2008, 08:45 PM
Day 14 Part B
4 cups chix rice........
lots o h20
DOMS setting in on glutes, hams and quads........ PAIN=HURT
"the only thing thats real"
ABB Tribulus shot yesterday=monkey spank
Lethargy is getting stupid on this ****e.
1 cup Normal cottage cheese
1/4 mixed nuts
1.5 scoop PC shake
Snack- 2oz. of beef jerky
08-13-2008, 08:54 PM
08-14-2008, 09:37 AM
Am weight 177.5
Groundhog day.- PC shake with 1 hardboiled egg this morning.
Bi's and Tri's tonight.
As far as the lethargy goes, I dont know. Strength has not gone up. so whatever it is, its not working.
DOMS today is bad. Glutes, Hams, back and traps all sore. So on a recovery standpoint, this 17HM sucks.
08-14-2008, 09:32 PM
Day 15 Part B
4 cups chx/rice today......... I think my chicken rice ratio is actually 1.5 chicken to 1 part brown rice.............
I know, I know.....First it was 2:1, then 1:1, now 1.5:1 I know its more protein than carbs for sure......
ABB ripped force sipped throughout day to help fight off lethargy.
ABB tribulus shot and Animal Pack with Preworkout meal. 30 minutes prior to workout.......I think this is my optimal window.
Decent arm workout tonight
3 sets bis
5 sets tris
In and out........
Dinner 1.5-1.75 cups roasted chicken meat, no skin
1 cup mixed vegetable- tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers,onion, in a vinagrette sauce
1/3 cup mixed nuts for snack
Water, Lots of it.......
08-15-2008, 09:44 AM
08-15-2008, 08:40 PM
Day 16 Part B
DOMS still lingering in the legs
Arms pumped but not sore from last nites workout
4 cups chx/rice, 4 1 cup servings spaced out over 9 hours as always.
Just ate some vegetables and handful of nuts to ward off hunger until dinner........
im hogjawing on something sloppy tonight.....I got that deep hunger.
Overall impression of 17-HM is neutral...... Im going to tuff out the next 14 days and see how it goes.......
Dinner was hogfest:
Hardees- 2 double cheeseburgers, then 15 minutes later
1/2 pound sourdough burger
some curly fries- small, then an hour later
Fazios- 2 piece canneloni
Tons of water.
08-16-2008, 08:17 AM
Am weight 185
Legs DOMS finally gone, now i have a little in my arms.
3 cups of chix/rice
so far today.
08-17-2008, 02:51 PM
Day 17 Part B
Went to a party with my gfriend.....
2 plates full of misc. apps, pasta, chips, vegetables and dips.
1 Pint of Ben and Jerrys Half baked....... lol
H20........lots of it as always.
08-17-2008, 02:53 PM
Protein shake for breakfast
1.5 cups of chix rice
Sunday= slack day
will ride harley or get camaro out.....
08-18-2008, 10:58 AM
Day 18 Part B
1.5 cups chx/rice
4 homemade BLT's...........
2 then an hour later
1, then an hour later
Wheat bread, Iceberg lettuce, home grown tomatoes, bacon, miracle whip and cheese
1 pint BJ's Half baked.
sickening, I know. But damn I was hungry.
One thing is for sure, this stuff doesnt suppress appetite.
08-18-2008, 11:00 AM
Am weight 183.5
PC shake with 6.5oz xpresso & 6.5 oz water. same as usual.
Chest and shoulders later today.
Working and running errands today. Eating ****ty.
Healthy choice salsbury steak meal
Penn Station East Coast Subs- Medium Philly Steak sandwich with deathsticks and unsweetened tea.
1 cup chx rice prewo.
so far today.
08-18-2008, 09:22 PM
Day 19 Part B
Workout was good. I had a partner slowing me down for a change.
I did his weights, slow and controlled. I actually had a few forced reps. 4x8 or failure
Dumbell flat bench
Machine flys -ss
Good chest, shoulder pump and bailed.
Hopefully I will be off the hogjaw train the rest of the week.
Will eat 1 cup cottage cheese and PC shake tonight for dinner.
Water as usual.
08-19-2008, 09:55 AM
Am weight 182
Good pump and a bit sore from last nights workout.
I just want to get this bottle over with.
I will be starting a controlled labs stack sept 1st.
Sesaglow, Red Acid G3, Reduction........... 60 days. Supposedly some good appetite suppressors in CL's products......Time will tell.
Dont think i will publicly log it. I may take some before pics and see what the afters look like.....
So far I am neutral on this 17HM. I feel/look like i am getting stronger and fuller........But i can do that with diet and training.........
08-20-2008, 09:06 AM
Day 20 Part B
4 cups chix/rice- food throughout the day as normal
Squat session......Operation Superset ATG
135x10- straight into lifting
185x6,5,4,3- 30 sec rest
135x6x6 supersetted.......I almost passed out. They became breathing squats almost immediately.
I know the weight is not alot, but for me it is.......I go ATG slow controlled, pause at ground zero then lift.......
My shirt was drenched, I was dizzy and was barely able to do deads. I did 4x8 135 on deads.......lol..........
Calfs on smith with box...... 295x6x6 pause hold at top and bottom.
Laying machine squats.........200 with roughly a 252 tempo(no lockouts, 5 sec static at parallel) until utter failure, then 250 same kind of tempo, utter failure.........total of 6 sets(4 and 2)......
Then I wobbled out with my shirt soaked with sweat.......smiling in pain.
Good workout for me.......
Dinner was 1 cup cottage cheese, 2 cups mixed veggies- broc, tomato, cuccs, peppers,onions,
08-20-2008, 09:08 AM
Am weight 179.5
Leg DOMS has set in already, Tomorrow is going to be sick.
Will do arms either thursday or friday.
At the tailend of this cycle......
08-20-2008, 09:08 PM
Day 21 Part B
3 cups chix/rice
1/2 cup almonds
2 double cheeseburgers DQ
Dinner still to come.
DOMS is bad....... Really bad......... This stuff absolutely sucks for recovery.........
08-21-2008, 10:14 AM
Am weight 183
Doms still bad, It felt like a layer of toxins(dead tissue) ripped from my quads when i got out of bed...........
Groundhog day..........Arms tonight, possibly tomorrow nite.
T- 8 days and counting........lol
08-22-2008, 10:18 AM
Day 22 Part B
4 cups chxrice today
2 snickers bars
Doms is very bad. Not sure why. Made work very difficult. Wore me down.
Arm workout with partner. I had no stamina. Zero.
bi-s 3 sets
tris- 4 or 5
I just went the motions and bailed.
Dinner was hogfest
Fazio- 2 piece canneloni
6 pieces of lucia's pizza
1 corn dog
Also my mood was not good all day. Pretty sure it was DOMS related.
08-22-2008, 10:21 AM
Am weight 184.5
Doms in legs still very apparent. This is ridiculous, I havent had Doms this bad in a long time. Still trying to understand why.
Arms are pumped and slightly sore from last nites workout.
Review------ T minus 7 days and counting...........
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