[MESSPLAY]

I was researching this in google and came across some interesting stuff.

READ THIS NOTE BEFORE PROCEEDING: I AM NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO BASH X-FACTOR AS A PRODUCT OR MOLECULAR NUTRITION. I FIND THIS INFORMATION STARTLING AND I PRIMARILY POSTED THIS SO I COULD GET SOME ANSWERS FROM KNOWLEDGEABLE MEMBERS.

Arachidonic Acid

Arachidonic Acid Signals Prostate Cancer Cell Growth

Arachidonic Acid, analysis

^^^On the last link, regarding the first paragraph ONLY.


I don't want to copy paste the information, and I don't want to summarize for the sake of butchering what I'm trying to say. Please take a second out of your time to take a look at those links (the language is short and simple to understand and the articles are not long).

Is there substance to this? Are the excess amounts they're talking about ridiculous ones?

Discuss.

[VolcomX311]

Don't have time to read it now, but I'm going to

[MESSPLAY]

Yeah definitely take some time to, it's not long medical journals or anything, it's pretty much to the point. C'mon AM, quit being so lazy.


I'm also gonna pm jjohn and redirect him here

[jjohn]

1st of all, there are no amounts listed there. Excessive amount is definetly not 1 gram for 50 days. (which has been PROVEN safe and effective) Maybe 150 grams a day I'd say otherwise, but it's a question of balance.

[MESSPLAY]

thats what I was thinking... and of course, how much arachidonic acid is in your average t-bone steak? Surely the neighborhood carnivore who likes to grill out every night isn't at extreme risk for that multitude of diseases...

[pudzian2]

food for thought-- it can be looked at this way: maybe the guy using 1g a day for 50 days doesnt notice anything now or even a few years from now. Maybe the guy using 150g per day gets a problem within a year. BUT who is not to say that the guy using 1g for 50 days and doing this cycle often will not be at risk for something in the future.

I am a firm believer in "everything in moderation" (within reason of course), so I'm not saying I wouldn't ever take arachidonic acid for anabolic purposes, but i think there are safer more effective things available

[jjohn]

Originally Posted by pudzian2

food for thought-- it can be looked at this way: maybe the guy using 1g a day for 50 days doesnt notice anything now or even a few years from now. Maybe the guy using 150g per day gets a problem within a year. BUT who is not to say that the guy using 1g for 50 days and doing this cycle often will not be at risk for something in the future.

I am a firm believer in "everything in moderation" (within reason of course), so I'm not saying I wouldn't ever take arachidonic acid for anabolic purposes, but i think there are safer more effective things available

If this is your take on it, then it's fine, but everything so far indicate that a supplementation of 1 gram a day for 50 days is completely safe and effective. No changes in blood platelets, etc.. And as an added bonus, IL-6 reduction!

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by jjohn

If this is your take on it, then it's fine, but everything so far indicate that a supplementation of 1 gram a day for 50 days is completely safe and effective. No changes in blood platelets, etc.. And as an added bonus, IL-6 reduction!

What kind of results have you had from arachidonic acid thus far? (anabolic results)

[ReaperX]

My only deal is that AA may have the potential to create problems, it may not and is still a relatively new supplement.


However, if you really want to get down to safety, a lot of the supplements out there such as Superdrol, M1T, D-Bol, Drol, Halodrol, all these methylated orals wreck havok on your liver and body in general. None of these are found in any 'food' and are all synthetic mutated analogs of testosterone.



The same principle can be applied for both AA and methylated orals.

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by ReaperX

My only deal is that AA may have the potential to create problems, it may not and is still a relatively new supplement.


However, if you really want to get down to safety, a lot of the supplements out there such as Superdrol, M1T, D-Bol, Drol, Halodrol, all these methylated orals wreck havok on your liver and body in general. None of these are found in any 'food' and are all synthetic mutated analogs of testosterone.



The same principle can be applied for both AA and methylated orals.

yea its just funny how the ILLIGAL well researched steroids that have been around for a long time aren't arguably less toxic on average than all of these LEGAL alternatives that high school kids get their hands on. **** they're better off just running test.

[ReaperX]

Originally Posted by pudzian2

yea its just funny how the ILLIGAL well researched steroids that have been around for a long time aren't arguably less toxic on average than all of these LEGAL alternatives that high school kids get their hands on. **** they're better off just running test.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. No one should do orals ever. The cons out weight the pros. Deca, Test, Primo just stay with injectables. Do people think that injectables don't work or something ? It seems like everyone wants oral (haha, i opened up myself on this one).


All that b.s. that is out there, M1T, Superdrol, Mass Tabs, Sustevol, whatever is basically like rat poison and the side effects are greatly compounded higher with orals vs. injectables due to the delivery method.

[Jet]

Originally Posted by ReaperX

I've said this before and I'll say it again. No one should do orals ever. The cons out weight the pros. Deca, Test, Primo just stay with injectables. Do people think that injectables don't work or something ? It seems like everyone wants oral (haha, i opened up myself on this one).


All that b.s. that is out there, M1T, Superdrol, Mass Tabs, Sustevol, whatever is basically like rat poison and the side effects are greatly compounded higher with orals vs. injectables due to the delivery method.

I think there's just sort of a logic gap in the whole thought process. Needles seem "scarier," and like a much bigger step to take than just popping a few caps.

[VolcomX311]

Originally Posted by ReaperX

I've said this before and I'll say it again. No one should do orals ever. The cons out weight the pros. Deca, Test, Primo just stay with injectables. Do people think that injectables don't work or something ? It seems like everyone wants oral (haha, i opened up myself on this one).


All that b.s. that is out there, M1T, Superdrol, Mass Tabs, Sustevol, whatever is basically like rat poison and the side effects are greatly compounded higher with orals vs. injectables due to the delivery method.

you could argue the dangers of giving yourself a bad injection (air bubbles, dirty needle, dirty injection site, nasty inefections). As easy as it is to get proper instructions for proper injections, applying it correctly is another story. Plus, you can order orals from a very public and easy to access websites. No shady money orders to strangers on another continent and most people don't have "connects" to local dealers.

I think we all know injections are king for effectivess, no doubt there, but orals just have that unbeatable convenience factor.

[ReaperX]

Originally Posted by Jet

I think there's just sort of a logic gap in the whole thought process. Needles seem "scarier," and like a much bigger step to take than just popping a few caps.

Yeah this is true about the needles.

However, when you compare intramuscular delivery vs. digestive tract you are comparing which will yield a higher bioavailablity/active as the cost of your health, which leans towards injectables.

I realize most ppl don't put that logic together and they just want to wash down some pills with water anyways. This would probably be a better alternative to Gregg Valentino as well.

[thebigt]

Originally Posted by pudzian2

What kind of results have you had from arachidonic acid thus far? (anabolic results)

to bad you cant see the avatar jjohn had up when i first signed on am. it looks like hes put on 20 or so pounds since then. how about some before and after pics jjohn, that would be the highest endorsement you could give.