[onelife]

Hey all... was doing some researching and found this good read on Cissus. Seems that its even more beneficial to the body then what we thought (or at least what i thought).. good read.. enjoy!

The use of a Cissus quadrangularis formulation in the management of weight loss and metabolic syndrome

[ECTOmorph]

take it w a grain of salt

a green tea extract standardized to 22% EGCG and 40% caffeine; niacin bound chromium

was also taken

[onelife]

hmmm i suppose your right guess it was just wishful thinking... although i hardly doubt green tea would cause all those positive effects by itself... by your right

[hardestgainer]

i've seen studies done without the green tea that see a huge difference in the cissus group. can't find them right now tho.

[onelife]

Originally Posted by hardestgainer

i've seen studies done without the green tea that see a huge difference in the cissus group. can't find them right now tho.

thats what i assumed.. green tea can only do so much

[ECTOmorph]

Originally Posted by onelife

thats what i assumed.. green tea can only do so much

Green Tea is actually great for fat loss


Especially some of it extracts and the fact that it contains 40% caffeine

[haiz69]

Have you guys seen this one:

Unique Identifier 17274828

Authors Oben JE. Enyegue DM. Fomekong GI. Soukontoua YB. Agbor GA.
Authors Full Name Oben, Julius E. Enyegue, Damaris Mandob. Fomekong, Gilles I. Soukontoua, Yves B. Agbor, Gabriel A.

Institution Laboratory of Nutrition and Nutritional Biochemistry, Department of Biochemistry, University of Yaounde I, Yaounde, Cameroon. juliusoben@hotmail.com

Title The effect of Cissus quadrangularis (CQR-300) and a Cissus formulation (CORE) on obesity and obesity-induced oxidative stress.

Source Lipids in Health & Disease. 6:4, 2007.

Abstract AIM: Obesity is generally linked to complications in lipid metabolism and oxidative stress. The aim of this study was to compare the effect of a proprietary extract of Cissus quadrangularis (CQR-300) to that of a proprietary formulation containing CQR-300 (CORE) on weight, blood lipids, and oxidative stress in overweight and obese people. METHODS: The first part of the study investigated the in vitro antioxidant properties of CQR-300 and CORE using 3 different methods, while the second part of the study was a double-blind placebo controlled design, involving initially 168 overweight and obese persons (38.7% males; 61.3% females; ages 19-54), of whom 153 completed the study. All participants received two daily doses of CQR-300, CORE, or placebo and were encouraged to maintain their normal levels of physical activity. Anthropometric measurements and blood sampling were done at the beginning and end of the study period. RESULTS: CQR-300 as well as CORE exhibited antioxidant properties in vitro. They also acted as in vivo antioxidants, bringing about significant (p < 0.001) reductions in plasma TBARS and carbonyls. Both CQR-300 and CORE also brought about significant reductions in weight, body fat, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, and fasting blood glucose levels over the respective study periods. These changes were accompanied by a significant increase in HDL-cholesterol levels, plasma 5-HT, and creatinine. CONCLUSION: CQR-300 (300 mg daily) and CORE (1028 mg daily) brought about significant reductions in weight and blood glucose levels, while decreasing serum lipids thus improving cardiovascular risk factors. The increase in plasma 5-HT and creatinine for both groups hypothesizes a mechanism of controlling appetite and promoting the increase of lean muscle mass by Cissus quadrangularis, thereby supporting the clinical data for weight loss and improving cardiovascular health.

[Dancebot 2000]

Originally Posted by hardestgainer

i've seen studies done without the green tea that see a huge difference in the cissus group. can't find them right now tho.

I've never seen a study of just Cissus. I've personally had good results with just Cissus, so did my roommate, but I've never seen a good scientific study proving it.

[Dancebot 2000]

Originally Posted by haiz69

Have you guys seen this one:

Unique Identifier 17274828

Authors Oben JE. Enyegue DM. Fomekong GI. Soukontoua YB. Agbor GA.
Authors Full Name Oben, Julius E. Enyegue, Damaris Mandob. Fomekong, Gilles I. Soukontoua, Yves B. Agbor, Gabriel A.

Institution Laboratory of Nutrition and Nutritional Biochemistry, Department of Biochemistry, University of Yaounde I, Yaounde, Cameroon. juliusoben@hotmail.com

Title The effect of Cissus quadrangularis (CQR-300) and a Cissus formulation (CORE) on obesity and obesity-induced oxidative stress.

Source Lipids in Health & Disease. 6:4, 2007.

Abstract AIM: Obesity is generally linked to complications in lipid metabolism and oxidative stress. The aim of this study was to compare the effect of a proprietary extract of Cissus quadrangularis (CQR-300) to that of a proprietary formulation containing CQR-300 (CORE) on weight, blood lipids, and oxidative stress in overweight and obese people. METHODS: The first part of the study investigated the in vitro antioxidant properties of CQR-300 and CORE using 3 different methods, while the second part of the study was a double-blind placebo controlled design, involving initially 168 overweight and obese persons (38.7% males; 61.3% females; ages 19-54), of whom 153 completed the study. All participants received two daily doses of CQR-300, CORE, or placebo and were encouraged to maintain their normal levels of physical activity. Anthropometric measurements and blood sampling were done at the beginning and end of the study period. RESULTS: CQR-300 as well as CORE exhibited antioxidant properties in vitro. They also acted as in vivo antioxidants, bringing about significant (p < 0.001) reductions in plasma TBARS and carbonyls. Both CQR-300 and CORE also brought about significant reductions in weight, body fat, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, and fasting blood glucose levels over the respective study periods. These changes were accompanied by a significant increase in HDL-cholesterol levels, plasma 5-HT, and creatinine. CONCLUSION: CQR-300 (300 mg daily) and CORE (1028 mg daily) brought about significant reductions in weight and blood glucose levels, while decreasing serum lipids thus improving cardiovascular risk factors. The increase in plasma 5-HT and creatinine for both groups hypothesizes a mechanism of controlling appetite and promoting the increase of lean muscle mass by Cissus quadrangularis, thereby supporting the clinical data for weight loss and improving cardiovascular health.

You posted this as I was typing. Good find.

[hardestgainer]

Originally Posted by Dancebot 2000

You posted this as I was typing. Good find.

hahaha, told you!

[onelife]

Originally Posted by ECTOmorph

Green Tea is actually great for fat loss


Especially some of it extracts and the fact that it contains 40% caffeine

well yes i would hope so.. it is in about every fat burner on the market today...

but anyways nice post dancebot!!

[rogermoore]

Could Cissus be used during a prohormone / -steroid cycle in order to lower bad cholesterol ? Cissus doesn`t seem to stress the liver as much as red yeast rice.