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Vitamin E's Lack Of Heart Benefit Linked To Dosage

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Science Daily — The reported failure of vitamin E to prevent heart attacks may be due to underdosing, according to a new study by investigators at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.

The findings, published early online in Free Radical Biology and Medicine, suggest that these earlier studies all had a fundamental flaw -- the doses used weren't high enough to have a significant antioxidant effect. In fact, no studies have ever conclusively demonstrated the dose at which vitamin E can be considered an antioxidant drug, the researchers report.

Oxidant injury, or oxidative stress, occurs when highly reactive molecules called free radicals attack and damage cellular proteins, lipids (fats) and DNA. Free radicals, which are byproducts of normal metabolism, are produced in excess in certain disease states, including heart disease.

Epidemiological data and animal studies suggested that antioxidant compounds like vitamin E, vitamin C and beta-carotene might offer some protection against heart attack in individuals at risk.

But subsequent controlled clinical trials of vitamin E -- which showed little to no benefit from the vitamin -- stymied that hope.

"Multiple human trials looking at the effect of vitamin E supplementation on coronary events and atherosclerosis have all failed," said Jack Roberts, M.D., the T. Edwin Rogers Professor of Pharmacology, professor of Medicine, and lead author on the study.

"We're talking about trials that examined quite high doses," added Jason Morrow, M.D., F. Tremaine Billings Professor of Medicine & Pharmacology and chief of the Division of Clinical Pharmacology. "Short of a couple of studies, there was no benefit in terms of prevention of cardiovascular events and deaths."

These results caused many to discount vitamin E supplementation as a cardioprotective treatment, but Morrow and Roberts suspected that the studies had been poorly designed. All of the trials simply gave a dose of vitamin E and looked for end points such as heart attack occurrence. But Morrow and Roberts found a critical piece of information missing.

"All of these studies were designed in a way that they never assessed the ability of the dose of vitamin E tested to effectively reduce oxidant stress," Morrow said.

Without determining whether the dose of vitamin E given was exerting sufficient antioxidant effects, the previous clinical trial results were flawed, the researchers said.

In the new study, Morrow and Roberts determined the optimum antioxidant dose of vitamin E using an assay they developed to measure compounds formed by oxidative stress processes, called F2-isoprostanes. This measure, said Roberts, "has been independently validated as the best measure of oxidative stress status in vivo."

The researchers first determined how long it took for a very high dose of vitamin E -- 3200 IU/day -- to suppress oxidative stress in individuals at risk for cardiovascular disease.

To their surprise, it took 16 weeks for this dose -- which is more than 100 times the recommended daily intake and about four times higher than doses used in most previous clinical studies -- to maximally suppress F2-isoprostane formation.

In another group with similar cardiovascular risk factors, the researchers administered varying doses (0, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, and 3200 IU/day) over the 16-week period to find the minimum effective dose.

They found that it was necessary to give at least 1600 IU per day to cause a significant reduction in oxidative stress -- twice that used in some of the previous clinical trials.

"It was clear that large doses -- and doses in excess of what all clinical studies had used -- were necessary," Morrow said.

"Even with this massive dose of vitamin E, you only observe a 50 percent reduction in F2- isoprostanes," added Roberts. "So in my opinion, vitamin E is not the spiffy antioxidant everybody thinks it is -- it's a pretty poor antioxidant."

Because the long-term safety of such high doses is unknown, "we are not touting taking vitamin E in large doses," Morrow said. "We are saying that, in the design of clinical trials, one needs to have good surrogate biochemical markers."

Based on their findings, the investigators suggest that measures like F2-isoprostane measurement should be incorporated into any future studies of antioxidants in atherosclerosis prevention.

And since oxidative stress has been linked to numerous other diseases, including Alzheimer's disease, Morrow suggests that F2-isoprostane measurement "really ought to be incorporated into studies assessing disease prevention by antioxidants in general."

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Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
 
I just talked to my doctor who is well read on supplements and he said that in order to get the full benefits from Vitamin E you need to use the mixed tocopherols because they bind with all kinds of oxidents not just the alphas which most Vitamin E supplements are if you read the label.
 
"Even with this massive dose of vitamin E, you only observe a 50 percent reduction in F2- isoprostanes," added Roberts. "So in my opinion, vitamin E is not the spiffy antioxidant everybody thinks it is -- it's a pretty poor antioxidant."


That statement is kind of retarded. If a new drug did the same thing they'd be pee'ing all over themselves with joy and espousing it's virtues as the newest wonder drug with few side effects.

These studies are indeed flawed as they often fail to mention which form of E they are using. Synthetic E..which is the most common on grocery store shelves..has virtually no ORAC value at all. Natural tocopherol E taken in large amounts has been shown to displace the more powerful gamma and Delta E's as well as tocotrienols..all of which have differing affinities for different free radicals. High Gamma E with mixed tocotrienols has been recommended by LEF for years now and this based on some good science, but of course it takes time to get the word out..even to Drs.
 
THE GREATEST; said:
I just talked to my doctor who is well read on supplements and he said that in order to get the full benefits from Vitamin E you need to use the mixed tocopherols because they bind with all kinds of oxidents not just the alphas which most Vitamin E supplements are if you read the label.

Correct. The ideal would be to use not only the alpha d-tocopherol and mixed tocopherols ((d-gamma tocopherol, d-delta tocopherol, d-beta tocopherol), but also tocotrienols (alpha, beta, gamma, and delta).
This complex should ensure that the optimal benefits of vitamin e supplementation (potent anti-oxidant and lipid peroxidation activities). Tocotrienols are, by the way, the compounds that have shown the most significant potential, not only to reduce the incidence of breast cancer, but also to check the propagation of existing breast cancer cells.
 
bioman; said:
"Even with this massive dose of vitamin E, you only observe a 50 percent reduction in F2- isoprostanes," added Roberts. "So in my opinion, vitamin E is not the spiffy antioxidant everybody thinks it is -- it's a pretty poor antioxidant."


That statement is kind of retarded. If a new drug did the same thing they'd be pee'ing all over themselves with joy and espousing it's virtues as the newest wonder drug with few side effects.

These studies are indeed flawed as they often fail to mention which form of E they are using. Synthetic E..which is the most common on grocery store shelves..has virtually no ORAC value at all. Natural tocopherol E taken in large amounts has been shown to displace the more powerful gamma and Delta E's as well as tocotrienols..all of which have differing affinities for different free radicals. High Gamma E with mixed tocotrienols has been recommended by LEF for years now and this based on some good science, but of course it takes time to get the word out..even to Drs.

Agree. My preference, by the way, is to ingest a cocktail of anti-oxidants (vitamin c with dihydroquercetin; fat-soluble vitamin c as ascorbyl palmitate; n-acetyl-cysteine; selenium complex with selenium as l-selenomethionine, sodium selenate, seleno-diglutathione, and se-methylselenocysteine; vitamin e as tocotrienols and tocopherols; alpha lipoic acid; and so on), as this complex delivers a significantly more potent protection than any of the compounds alone could ever achieve.
 
The best vitamin E is Isomer-E, not just mixed tocepherols but tocotrinols aswell. Its patented by Pinnacle and besides GNC they are currently the only company who sell it.
 
It depends on quality, Vitamins work in conjunction with each other,Grocery store vitamins have horrible assimilation.
 
ItsHectic; said:
The best vitamin E is Isomer-E, not just mixed tocepherols but tocotrinols aswell. Its patented by Pinnacle and besides GNC they are currently the only company who sell it.
One can also add Tocomin (a patented tocotrienols brand) to a good mixed tocopherols product.
 
Also, High Gamma Tocopherol Vitamin E is much better than just straight Vit. E. Get the high gamma kind for a much better spread of effects.
 
The best vitamin E is Isomer-E, not just mixed tocepherols but tocotrinols aswell. Its patented by Pinnacle and besides GNC they are currently the only company who sell it.

Amen. I've used Isomer-E for a while and think it is the best product arround as far as vitamin-E is concerned.
 
Mo250; said:
isn't Vitamin E in large doses a blood thinner
Yes, it is.
 
Mo250; said:
so its a trade-off I guess. more benefits at higher dosages but with blood clotting issues.
One may not need high dosages, if one uses a complete spectrum of tocopherols and tocotrienols, with some sesame lignans and other synergists such as omega-3 fish oils and such like. Overall impact will be deeper and longer lasting. All that at a lower average dose than when consumed standalone.
 
Also, High Gamma Tocopherol Vitamin E is much better than just straight Vit. E. Get the high gamma kind for a much better spread of effects.
Absolutely, which is why I used a very high percentage gamma-toco for NOxidant, even though the price compared to alpha was insane.
 
I use LEF's Super Booster for the mixed E's as well as added selenium and vitamin K2. I feel my cardio efficiency has improved on it.

Too bad I can't afford it anymore.
 
bioman; said:
I use LEF's Super Booster for the mixed E's as well as added selenium and vitamin K2. I feel my cardio efficiency has improved on it.

Too bad I can't afford it anymore.
It used to be a staple of mine, too, combined with Life Extension Mix tablets/capsules. Can be financially challenging! Besides, one might easily end up with a total of 400mcg of Selenium between the two. These days, I add the Life Extension Tocotrienols with Sesame Lignans product to my multivitamin product (with Gamma E Mixed Tocopherols).
 
LegalGear; said:
Life Extension is the best company on the market. I love their stuff, it is just so pricey.
Yeah! The prices can be a major pain, even if premium quality is the best there is. A membership only cushions things a tad...
 
Mo250; said:
I'm rich:thumbsup:
Nice to meet you. I'm Strategicmove :thumbsup:
 
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