[jsp0785]

Originally Posted by Zero V

Well for starters if evolution was real, where is the "missing link" between apes and humans and a rhino and a dog or whatever some scientist will say it came from. They do not exist.

Of all the people who lived over the years, there should be millions of these bones of the "missing link".....never will find it, isnt there to find. Splitting a single celled organism is mutation, not evolution.....Cancer grows rapidly and changed how cells are, so if you have cancer your evolving?

Not to mention how did organisms come to be period? Oh yeah, some ash mixed with a volcanoes fart and it flew into a cloud of methane gas.......

And our dating methods cant be proven to be accurate, because we have no idea how carbon reacts over time, how it escapes after degeneration of bones. So 100 year old bones can test to be 2500 years old if nature works just right.

Check this.

-a freshly killed seal dated by C-14 showed that it had died 1 300 years ago (American Journal, Volume 6)

-living mollusc shells were dated at up to 2300 years old (Science, Volume 14)

-living snail shells showed that they had died 27 000 years ago (Science, Volume 224)

These are just a few errors. They are not meant to end the debate. But once one has considered everything else, it certainly makes it harder to believe that the C-14 dating method is a proven, trustworthy scientific method.

Scientists cant really prove anything other than if you push a ball of lesser mass it will move away from ya.

check some more

-coal from Russia from the Pennsylvanian era supposedly 300 million years old, was dated only 1680 years (Radiocarbon, Volume 8)

-natural gas from Mississippi and Alabama should have been 50 to 135 million years old yet C-14 dated it 30 000 and 34 000 years old respectively (also Volume 8)

-bones from a saber-tooth tiger, found in the LaBrea tar pits (near Los Angeles) were supposedly between 100 000 and 1 000 000 years old, were given a date of 28 000 years (Radiocarbon, Volume 10)


science is proving that....the earth isn't all that old.......evolution is actually almost ready to be thrown out by the scientific society, give it about 10 years....for their minds to "evolve" lol

You do know the populace used to believe the earth was flat right? Same deal with evolution, just give it time.

Carbon dating and all other "proofs" that support the idea of evolution through supporting the earths age has to be constantly"calibrated" which means constantly altered so as to produce the wanted results. Like an unstable person, its not going to tell you the truth, and will only confuse you.


Jeez keeping religion out of this is hard, the peeps from that old thread would be proud of me

do some reading up on hominid fossils. possibly the "missing link" you say doesn't exist. there's a lot of land and fossils out there. it's just a matter of time.

Here's somewhere to start... Anthropologists Find 4.5 Million-year-old Hominid Fossils In Ethiopia so before you go suggesting that the missing link doesn't exist take some time to read on the progress being made in this part of the scientific world. I'm all for people believing in religion but if there's scientific evidence to back something up i'll sure believe that. not just what's written in the bible. there is no proof of what happened there and I don't think it's made to be taken literally, and also translating it from its original language to other languages is going to distort the real meanings of a lot of things.

[Rick28]

Originally Posted by dsade

I'm sorry...I thought your implicit claim was that god was omnipotent, which means he could easily prevent true innocents from unspeakable horror and pain.

If he can, and doesn't...then he is not all-loving, all merciful...hell, doesn't even make him good.

If he can't, well then what's the use of him?

People can choose their fates? Once again, show me where a 1 month old made a choice.

The only way you'll understand this is if you read the Bible (KJV) yourself. It's hard to explain the ways of God to a non-believer. God is not all loving he hates too, sin especially. If the Lord wanted to stop violence, he can but then they'll be no free will and we're just a bunch of mindless puppets then.

[dsade]

Originally Posted by Rick28

The only way you'll understand this is if you read the Bible (KJV) yourself. It's hard to explain the ways of God to a non-believer. God is not all loving he hates too, sin especially. If the Lord wanted to stop violence, he can but then they'll be no free will and we're just a bunch of mindless puppets then.

Been there, done that...it is despicable book full of murders committed ON ORDERS by god...of many children and other innocents. It is full of rapes, injustice and an inverted sense of morality.

Yet, oddly enough this book which was supposed to have been the exact word of an all-knowing, eternal god says nothing about Slavery being a sin. As a matter of fact, it goes through details about how to properly compensate an owner for the killing of his "property".

Hm....couldn't make an 11th commandment there, god? Thou shalt not enslave people?

[neoborn]

Originally Posted by Zero V

being healed myself, being thrown through the air by the holy spirit, knowing true peace. Seeing a man who had all 4 tendons ruptured in his knee have them become perfect within a moments notice at prayer, seen back injuries vanish at the alter and the man got to enjoy life again and play sports like he was 15 years younger.

Having seen and dealt with the demonic.....

I must admit that I have seen this kind of thing happen also. Love can do amazing things. I find alot of the time the people who push science to the max are usually cold and uncaring, but I guess they are upset with all the religious views etc.

We will see a loving intelligent melding of both and science and spirituality in the future...

p.s Dsade I would love to see you just for once leave the science view out of it and just argue the spirituality / religious side just to see if you can provide a balanced view from the other side

[Zero V]

Originally Posted by dsade

Been there, done that...it is despicable book full of murders committed ON ORDERS by god...of many children and other innocents. It is full of rapes, injustice and an inverted sense of morality.

Yet, oddly enough this book which was supposed to have been the exact word of an all-knowing, eternal god says nothing about Slavery being a sin. As a matter of fact, it goes through details about how to properly compensate an owner for the killing of his "property".

Hm....couldn't make an 11th commandment there, god? Thou shalt not enslave people?

Just like a wise old martial arts master who's ways cant be understood, even greater is Gods plans, and even weaker out train of thought....

[dsade]

Originally Posted by Zero V

Just like a wise old martial arts master who's ways cant be understood, even greater is Gods plans, and even weaker out train of thought....

And wouldn't it be too easy to be fooled into following the wrong master, if we swallow any deviation from what we know to be right and write it off as our own failure to understand?

Sounds like any cult I've ever seen analyzed.

If there is no objective definition of moral, and if moral means "whatever god does" he then, by definition, must be called Amoral.

[Zero V]

Originally Posted by dsade

And wouldn't it be too easy to be fooled into following the wrong master, if we swallow any deviation from what we know to be right and write it off as our own failure to understand?

Sounds like any cult I've ever seen analyzed.

If there is no objective definition of moral, and if moral means "whatever god does" he then, by definition, must be called Amoral.

America was founded on Christianity, once we deviated from that base and started to push it out of our government, and block it off, is when America went to hell.

You can believe what you wish, I done my part. The only aid many of these 3rd world countries get are from missionaries. The medical help the often get are from Christians who sacrifice their life to serve to a greater purpose. They will travel the world and give up everything. Die for the cause of passing a bible to someone. Actually do something. All the while most people will be watching the Superbowl...or setting up their HD TV....who justify it all by shipping out a few bucks a month in charity. I have talked to many muslims from Africa. Almost all of them have a high respect for Christians, because they are the only ones who will walk through hell to give them help.

[slow-mun]

Originally Posted by Zero V

No, Christian-Pentecostal

So, your faith doesn't allow women to cut their hair, wear make up, or wear pants? Is it also common practice to speak in tongues during your service?

[dsade]

Originally Posted by Zero V

America was founded on Christianity, once we deviated from that base and started to push it out of our government, and block it off, is when America went to hell.

You can believe what you wish, I done my part. Stone.....

You are absolutely incorrect. This country was founded by a group of intellectuals, many of whom were deists, and many of whom DESPISED Christianity, who took necessary steps to keep religion OUT of goverment.

[slow-mun]

Originally Posted by Zero V

They do nothing. Most people do nothing to bring bad upon themselves. This is the age in which Satan is running our world. Pornography, premarital sex, drugs, rape, murder.Also there are such things as generational curses. That goes too deep to talk about here though.

All people talk about is death....And i know about what you mean with the babies. Some counties are being attacked viciously right now and such things happen.

Lets put it like this. Do you blame the president if your child is murdered? Then why blame God? Why? Because all people want to do is blame. I hope no one here every experiences that, it would be horrible. But at the same time people have to understand its more than just this life. Satan has won many souls from God by killing a persons child, then they blame God, and walk away.

Justice will come in the end, but so little people have faith anymore. It is written in the bible. That the suffering will be great, enormous, that the righteous shall be destroyed by the evil. God has already said this, read revelations. It is part of what must happened for thins to be fulfilled.

Lets put it in politics. Gun rights, carry both good and bad things correct? Free will carries both good and bad, and you have to deal with that.

God allows choices to be made so people can choose their fates. The murderer must have that choice to be weeded out, the unfaithful, the liar, the nobleman, the good Samaritan, the judge, the good cop, the dirty cop. These things must be allowed to pass in order for our character to show. Our heart to shine. And the truth on whether or not we love God to be based upon rock, or sand....

Hypocrite?

Originally Posted by Zero V

Simply put, my ex was a virgin, the girl I am talking is a virgin, I am good.... I am a lil above average, but let me assure you. I am not ashamed. Like a samurai sword in the hands of a master samurai....I am swift and deadly and never falter in battle

I actually almost got my neck snapped while taking care of my ex once time....she has strong legs.... and my fingers move about 2 times the speed of a vibrator and I have complete control..... Point being, I can drive a woman crazy, and finish her before I even start. Point being again, its not all in how big your submarine is. When it comes to that part, just have good endurance, and pull a 1000 fists move with it and give her a burn, when she smells herself cooking and she is heating to about 400'F between her legs she will be clawing all over the place. Also find your girls position, each girl has a position you can find that drives them out of their frigging mind and you don't have to be deep.

I dont chase party girls or sluts or easy girls, I am looking for a christian wife.....I made mistakes in the past as is obvious, but I am shooting to wait for marriage. Most girls who dont give themselves away to every guy can be happy with any size as long as you know how to wield Excalibur. Not to mention being in shape makes all the difference. And being able to multitask wipes em out. If you can bang em and reach under em and rub their lil man in the boat at the same time, they twitch and pass out almost lol.

If your wife needs a biggin, there is an issue. It means she is materialistic, and will probably cheat in you eventually. Find a girl who doesn't care about sex period.

But alas this is America, and a world where sex is something people do to kill time... You know there is no sex in heaven.

I feel dirty and disgusting talking about this.......

Anyways here is a tip to enlarge, remember how we used to get our baby teeth yanked out as kids when it was time? Well just tie one end of a string to the tip of your wanker, the other to a doorknob on an open door. Have a friend slam said door. It will increase in length.....maybe....and you might even get that tendon cutting surgery for free that way.

[Zero V]

Originally Posted by slow-mun

So, your faith doesn't allow women to cut their hair, wear make up, or wear pants? Is it also common practice to speak in tongues during your service?

Women can wear pants, cut their hair however they want, dye it etc. You are thinking....um...apostolic i believe. Its pentecostal but they are a bit weird lol, even for us.

We do speak in tongues, yes.

[Zero V]

Originally Posted by slow-mun

Hypocrite?

Notice I always say WIFE, and I said EX. I was not always christian. I do take this as a direct attack against my persons via trying to twist it.

Notice I said mistakes in my past. And the rest is trying to make him feel ok with himself.

I say find a girl who doesn't care about sex period. Am I not to give advice to someone?

Sex with your wife is....hmm....100% fine.....