[TruffleShuffle]

you are Roman Catholic then Zero V?

[Zero V]

Originally Posted by TruffleShuffle

you are Roman Catholic then Zero V?

No, Christian-Pentecostal

[RobInKuwait]

Dam, I read that article and was ready for a good thread....didn't expect all this evolution/religion crap.

Anyway, in the article it said Masteron is a fat burner. That sounds like a load of crap to me. I've always heard it was a androgenic hormone, often used as a hardening agent. If its not a fatburner...that guy in the article loses ALL credibility in my eyes. The Masteron part is below:

Masteron is definitely not known as a powerful anabolic. Its claim to fame is that it doesn't convert to estrogen or lead to fat gain or water retention. In fact, it burns fat. Masteron is ephedra times 100. When you look at the molecule there is no carbon-carbon double bond as in testosterone.

For this reason, it is simply impossible for it to be coverted to estrogen. What makes this anabolic steroid so unique is that it lowers levels of estrogen by blocking those receptors that convert testosterone to estrogen. So, with the body's normal testosterone or another anabolic steroid, Masteron will block their access to the receptors and thus will lower estrogen significantly in the body. What this means is that it is a powerful fat burner. The herbal stimulant ephedra only burns fat by increasing the body's core temperature, whereas Masteron burns fat at a hormonal level. In fact, all those supplements that promise to burn fat are simply a soup of asprin, caffein and ephedra which accomplishes little more than to raise the body's core temperature — an internal response to any form of exertion such as jogging, eating, sex or walking stairs. Something to think about the next time you make a trip to the health food store. Sports requiring low body fat, speed and lean muscle tone benefit most from Masteron. Track and field athletes, cyclists, swimmers, basketball players, boxers, gymnasts, soccer players, fitness models and trainers are those most likely to use Masteron.

[dsade]

Originally Posted by Zero V

'I did resist that. I am offering the common sense side I believe.

But truthfully if you want to believe your great great grandpa is a apes great great grandkid go ahead. I prefer to view myself as something more lol.

Wow, you demonstrate a profound misunderstanding of evolution.

[Zero V]

Originally Posted by dsade

Wow, you demonstrate a profound misunderstanding of evolution.

It was a comedic generalization. I used to fervently believe in evolution actually.I know that the theory spans many millennia. I know its a theory of processes that have had many dead ends, and continuations, and etc. I used to be a very intelligent scientific kind of fellow. I still use a lot of chemistry and biology. But I have found no proof for myself of evolution, where as I have found proof of God.

I spent my days as a kid reading about evolution, dinosaurs, insects, geography, archaeology, ancient cultures.

[Rick28]

Originally Posted by Jim Mills

Anyone care to debate about your appendix?.... From what I hear, It's been getting smaller and smaller over several thousand years because we don't use it anymore... When my son had his out a couple years ago, the Doctor said " This is a perfect example of evolution, sooner or later we wont have it anymore.

The appendix getting smaller isn't proof for evolution, besides the appendix is very imporant for immune fuction.

[Rick28]

Originally Posted by TruffleShuffle

What i dont understand, generally about religion, is how people choose to ignore the bits they dont like and still call themselves 'religious'.

If we are the result of intelligent design, and 'the good book' was left with us as a means to guide us then why arent people doing, for example, the following:

Stoning (to death), those who use the lords name in vain ( Leviticus 24:16)

Killing those who commit adultery, and even killing rape victims for not calling out loudly enough (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)

I wonder how many religious men on here are married, and their wives weren't virgins on their wedding night? Got to be stoned again i'm afraid (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)

Working on Sunday...stoning to death again (Numbers 15:32-56)

Now that's just a handful, but if you asked anyone religious today why these things arent' followed now, they'd say it was barbaric or stupid for modern society to be expected to follow such rules.

My point being, if created by intelligent design, why leave such an antiquated, morally wrong, 'rule book' which even we, 1000's of years away from our own ability for intelligent design, can recognise as wrong?

The reason why christians aren't following those rules today is because we aren't under OT law. Christians aren't choosing to ignore the rules, it's because they know that we're under a different dispensation.

Sunday isn't the Sabbath Day, Saturday is. Sabbath is for the Jew not the christian.

[Rick28]

Originally Posted by dsade

Wow, you demonstrate a profound misunderstanding of evolution.

I thnk Zero V has a great point. According to evolution We evolved from apes. The apes were our earliest ancestors. So in reality, those apes are your great great great grandpa. Even before those apemen evolved, they were some fish like creature swimming in an ocean that had been rained on for millions of years and out of this "primordial soup" were those creatures. Those creatures grew to become frogs because legs were needed to live on land, hada hada hada. The truth is evolution is a fairy tale religion because of the faith that's required to believe in it.

[RobInKuwait]

Whats backwards about this whole argument, is that people act like just because someone can't adequately convince them of evolution, their religious beliefs are vindicated. Lack of human scientific knowledge and understanding does not justify faith.

A thousand years ago, people justified god by lightning...and earthquakes, and disease....now that we understand how all those phenomenons work, suddenly god exists because of evolution.

[Zero V]

Originally Posted by RobInKuwait

Whats backwards about this whole argument, is that people act like just because someone can't adequately convince them of evolution, their religious beliefs are vindicated. Lack of human scientific knowledge and understanding does not justify faith.

A thousand years ago, people justified god by lightning...and earthquakes, and disease....now that we understand how all those phenomenons work, suddenly god exists because of evolution.

God created the world by which that phenomenon exists.

We dont need a scientific study to prove God to us, when we see people healed, diseases disappear, and the impossible happen all through love.....its not hard. What worth is a 200 dollar text book of theories?

[dsade]

And for the diseases that AREN'T cured? The fevered prayers of the parents of kidnapped children that either never get closure, or get the closure of a mutilated corpse? Genetic and mutant birth defects? PRoof of the same god's incompetence, or just plain sadistic maliciousness?

[Botch]

Originally Posted by Zero V

'I did resist that. I am offering the common sense side I believe.

But truthfully if you want to believe your great great grandpa is a apes great great grandkid go ahead. I prefer to view myself as something more lol.

That is a very egocentric view, my friend.

[Zero V]

Originally Posted by dsade

And for the diseases that AREN'T cured? The fevered prayers of the parents of kidnapped children that either never get closure, or get the closure of a mutilated corpse? Genetic and mutant birth defects? PRoof of the same god's incompetence, or just plain sadistic maliciousness?

All of which we brought upon ourselves. Mans pride cost us to survive on our own. We wanted it, we thought we could handle it, we can do anything. We wanted to handle things ourselves, so God allows us to.

guess not.

Things must run their course. God is allowing evil to run rampart just as stated in the bible. Why? because those of weaker faith will falter and walk away from him. Which means they didnt love him above the world. Think of it as war. There are going to be casualties.

As for those who dont get healed. First question, did they believe in it? Did they believe in God? Or did they believe in a man?

Take note you said about the people who don't get healed and whos prayers aren't answered. Some do without a doubt.

I cant say why one man lives and another will perish. But I do know that a single life is forfeit in this world.

You have to lose your life to live, for if you live you lose your life......

All of that evil will perish someday. But think of it as a method of weeding. Do we not inject poison into our bodies to fight cancer? Does it not hurt us and weaken us and sometimes kill us? The body of man is just as infected. But it is not the time to clean it yet, but to diagnose what will be left after that cleaning.

I have had my car forcibly stopped while I was driving, freaking me out, but then I understood when a dear lept in front of me and my friend. It was a crazy night...

Why did the apostles all die as martyrs save for one? They learned this life is not what matters in the least. But all people care about are having the greatest houses and cars and possessions ad a retirement fund.

Think about children in china, korea, etc who are beaten by the police and executed if they are found to be Christians, and their families executed for it. If God exists who do you think showed him more respect? The happy lil American who's worries are locking his car door, paying his bills, and consolidating a loan or two to help with the mortgage. Or someone who upon admitting they love God will be tortured and murdered..... The difference is

We don't blame God....we blame the enemy, and we gladly die for God.

Think of it this way. If you were satin, you would do whatever you had to to people to make them not trust God, to hate God, to question God. God allows this because he promised us free choice.

God proves his greatest plans yet......kinda goes along with your survival of the fittest ideals people have. Only those who really trust God, and love him make it. We will all die. Whats the difference if it is today or tomorrow? worldly emotions. Those who walk away, that's their right, those who will stay, thats their blessing. Job.......said even though you slay me I shall worship you.

Its basic training on the cosmic level.....

again I have to cut myself off here......This keeps up and holding back wont be possible.

[dsade]

please....do tell me what a 1 month old child did to "deserve it"?