6-bromo vs ATD
- 07-25-2008, 03:47 PM
- 07-25-2008, 05:28 PM
- 07-25-2008, 07:11 PM
07-25-2008, 07:46 PM
07-25-2008, 08:05 PM
07-25-2008, 09:32 PM
07-25-2008, 09:57 PM
I'd doubtfully ever use an OTC AI for PCT but if I did the only one I'd likely choose is 6-OXO. If I HAD to choose between these 2 though it'd be 6-Bromo.
6-Bromo would likely only act as a PH if used at 3-4 times the recommended dose. Just like almost any steroidal AI - formestane, exemestane, all will act like a PH at doses much higher than recommended. But they'll all also act as a good AI at the lower recomended doses. As for ATD I'd never even consider using it. Blocking too much estrogen is just plain bad and ATD does just that.
Plus ATD being an anti-androgen, eliminates males libidos. Also the point of PCT is to restore natural test, by increase luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH). In clinical tests ATD was shown to decrese testes size and decrease LH - the exact opposite thing you need to happen during PCT.
07-26-2008, 08:57 AM
07-26-2008, 08:57 AM
07-26-2008, 11:20 AM
what I meant to say is that I don't fell comfortable on taking a compound (on pct)that can act like an androgen in the body , as a anabolic I believe its a good product but as a test booster I still have my doubts and I still haven't seen studies showing me that PA is wrong
07-26-2008, 11:35 AM
I have a question regarding those studies, does lh and fsh decrease since the beginning of the test?
I ask cause if it only decreases in the end I believe it makes sense cause the hypothalamus will fell a major increase in the testosterone values sending signals to decrease lh and fsh, but in the first days I think they probably rise cause test increase a lot.
The big problem with atd is that it binds to ar`s in the brain that manage libido , when atd bind to them dht isn't capable to do the same sending libido to the floor.
I believe that lower atd doses will not bring this problem so with ai`s we always have the same problem , too much is not too good.
By the way I agree with the 6-oxo
07-26-2008, 11:48 AM
07-26-2008, 02:37 PM
I prefer 6-OXO. ATD is too rough on me...
My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
07-26-2008, 10:27 PM
ATD works as an AI to block estrogen (actually blocks too much in reality), but increasing LH, FSH, and natural production of test in the testes in crucial during PCT for proper recovery and future health.
07-26-2008, 10:28 PM
In this study, 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione (ATD) was demonstrated to cause time-dependent loss of aromatase activity in rat ovarian microsomes in vitro. In vivo, an injection of ATD caused inhibition of ovarian aromatase and reduced estrogen secretion in pregnant mare's serum gonadotropin-primed rats for at least 24 hr after injection. In rats with 7,12-dimethylbenz[a]anthracene-induced, hormone-dependent, mammary tumors, marked regression occurred with ATD treatment. Although estrogen secretion was not reduced below the diestrus level of controls, the rats remained anestrus, indicating that the proestrus surge of estrogen was prevented. LH, FSH and prolactin levels were also basal and LH and FSH did not rise after ovariectomy. ATD had no detectable hormonal activity in bioassay. Consistent with this, the compound did not interact appreciably with either androgen or estrogen receptors, was not uterotrophic, and did not interfere with mammary tumor regression in ovariectomized rats. Thus, the major activities of the compound which cause mammary regression in the rat appear to be inhibition of estrogen synthesis, via aromatase and gonadotropin suppression.
07-26-2008, 10:29 PM
07-26-2008, 11:53 PM
08-07-2008, 05:36 PM
08-07-2008, 05:36 PM
From my experience, a mild, tapered dose of ATD (50mg/day down to 25mg/week) is highly effective at eliminating gyno, while maintaining libido.
08-07-2008, 07:25 PM
08-07-2008, 07:26 PM
08-07-2008, 07:36 PM
08-07-2008, 07:40 PM
08-07-2008, 07:42 PM
08-07-2008, 07:45 PM
08-07-2008, 07:47 PM
08-07-2008, 07:50 PM
08-07-2008, 07:56 PM
if more people are willing to try these things rather then put them on a back burner and never touch them people may never know how effective they really are,
especially given issues with BUNK RESEARCH CHEMS which is not unheard of.
may be a while till things like this happen.
and i know how much **** ill get for this.
08-07-2008, 08:03 PM
08-07-2008, 08:10 PM
well the future will bring new things,
im looking into a few different things, and trying to talk to a few companies about what they are willing to do as far as ideas for supps.... soo maybe if i find a good one ( i know i will) they may test a first run on it to see how it goes!
im never that lucky though
i could even be a 2 stage PCT product that comes sold in a package ...............
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