2nd Havoc Cycle

[Maxwell600]

all are daily dosages. opinions wanted.

 

[Distilled Water]

Try the steroid section...you'll have better luck since Havoc is a steroid.

 

[Maxwell600]

i already have lol

 

[polo]

then why u postin in here?
like really?

 

[JJC]

i already have lol

What he said is supposed to be interpreted as, don't post steroid related threads in the supplement section (regardless of having success or not in the steroid forum).

 

[Behemoth1]

that's a hefty pct for such a short havoc run. i saw gains through 6 weeks when i ran epistane so i would recomment possibly another 2 weeks.

runnin lean xtreme and 6oxo is a little over the top, since both of which are corisol blockers. more is not always better. your pct would be fine with just post cycle support lean xtreme OR 6oxo and activate xtreme. just my informed opinion

 

[JJC]

that's a hefty pct for such a short havoc run. i saw gains through 6 weeks when i ran epistane so i would recomment possibly another 2 weeks.

runnin lean xtreme and 6oxo is a little over the top, since both of which are corisol blockers. more is not always better. your pct would be fine with just post cycle support lean xtreme OR 6oxo and activate xtreme. just my informed opinion

6oxo is not a cortisol blocker. It's an anti-estrogen.

 

[Maxwell600]

started my cycle on sunday. strength is up. diet is unclean lol. im just going to stay the same body fat. i will cut after the cycle.

starting weight: 194
current: 198
+4

 

[Craigmatthew]

Your PCT looks good, maybe drop the 6oxo dosages to 3 weeks of 300/200/100.?? Just a suggestion. Looks ok though

 

[pantherdude63]

started my cycle on sunday. strength is up. diet is unclean lol. im just going to stay the same body fat. i will cut after the cycle.

starting weight: 194
current: 198
+4

Are you doing a log of steroids in the supplement section? The sites gone mad...completely mad.lol

 

[shaddow]

Worst thread ever.

 

[dustinhxc]

right on brother havoc is some good sh.t

 

[polo]

Worst thread ever.

haha so much hands down

 

[Jayhawkk]

Moved and posting a thread in the wrong forum just to get information is not allowed. They are sectioned off for a reason.

 

[Maxwell600]

i seriously accidentally posted in the wrong forums. i had 2 threads going, which were bookmarked and didn't take time to notice the forum brackets. oh well. and since i frequently visit both sections, i got confused.

here is my updated cycle

 

[Maxwell600]

that's a hefty pct for such a short havoc run. i saw gains through 6 weeks when i ran epistane so i would recomment possibly another 2 weeks.

runnin lean xtreme and 6oxo is a little over the top, since both of which are corisol blockers. more is not always better. your pct would be fine with just post cycle support lean xtreme OR 6oxo and activate xtreme. just my informed opinion

not to be rude, but i think you are misinformed.:thumbsup:

 

[Maxwell600]

Started 3rd week yesterday, 40mg
up 6 lbs

Diet:
meal 1 Protein Bar, Coffee
meal 2 Shake with fruit
meal 3 6oz chicken, rice
meal 4 Protein shake, 2tbsp PB
meal 5 6oz chicken, some veg

eating every 3 hours

Training:
Mon - Chest, traps, calves
Tues - Back, Abs
Weds - Quads, Hams
Thurs - Arms, Abs
Fri - Shoulders
Sat -Traps, calves
as you can tell my traps and calves need work

Supplements:
Havoc, (duh)
Life support - double dose (same as cycle support)
Orange triad multi
120 -160 mcg clen
fat burner every now and then

 

[Rugger]

Why are you eating so little? Are you trying to cut?

 

[Distilled Water]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more food bro! Why such a high dose clen?

 

[Maxwell600]

clen doesnt affect me much at all
how about i add another protein shake

 

[Rugger]

Bro if you're trying to add muscle you should be eating AT LEAST 4k calories!

 

[shaddow]

No disrespect bro, but it doesn't sound to me like you should be taking Havoc...

 

[Distilled Water]

clen doesnt affect me much at all
how about i add another protein shake

No how about like 3 more meals! Your 5'8" @ 203 and cutting. Not 163. Your only eating 2 actual meals. I'd say have another chicken breast or 2 maybe some lean ground beef or fish. Add some egg whites in the morning, cottage cheese at night. Your starving your body with only 200gr protein, and trace carbs and fat. That could be why it's so hard for you too cut.

You should be eating at least 2,250cals/day maybe even 2,500.

 

[Maxwell600]

alright revamped diet
meal 1- 6 egg whites in morning, oats
meal 2 -3 scoops protein, fruit
meal 3- 10 oz chicken, rice
meal 4- 3 scoops protein, 3 tbsp pb
meal 5- 10 oz chicken, veggies
meal 6- 8 oz lean beef, veggies

edit: went from 5 whole eggs to 6 egg whites

 

[Rugger]

How many calories is that?

 

[Distilled Water]

alright revamped diet
meal 1- 5 whole eggs in morning, oats
meal 2 -3 scoops protein, fruit
meal 3- 10 oz chicken, rice
meal 4- 3 scoops protein, 3 tbsp pb
meal 5- 10 oz chicken, veggies
meal 6- 8 oz lean beef, veggies

Thats a ton better! Only suggestion would be to make the breakfast egg whites only. Save the yolks and eat them with your evening meals.

 

[Maxwell600]

How many calories is that?

about 3300

 

[shaddow]

alright revamped diet
meal 1- 5 whole eggs in morning, oats
meal 2 -3 scoops protein, fruit
meal 3- 10 oz chicken, rice
meal 4- 3 scoops protein, 3 tbsp pb
meal 5- 10 oz chicken, veggies
meal 6- 8 oz lean beef, veggies

Muuuuuuuch better.

 

[Maxwell600]

Muuuuuuuch better.

thanks

 

[Rugger]

Still need about 1000 more in my opinion. I weighed 15 pounds less than you did when I used havoc and I was right at 4k

 

[Maxwell600]

im super sensitive to cals though.

 

[Rugger]

im super sensitive to cals though.

LOL that doesn't make any sense. Do you mean carbs?

 

[Distilled Water]

Remember your using Clen also. I think that with the amount of protein you have that the cals are find considereing your cutting.

I would just suggest splitting up the pro/fat and pro/carbs. It's only been a week for me but I've been eating like a mad man on DC training and diet principles and feel great. I look pretty sexy too :lol:

 

[tnick7]

Remember your using Clen also. I think that with the amount of protein you have that the cals are find considereing your cutting.

I would just suggest splitting up the pro/fat and pro/carbs. It's only been a week for me but I've been eating like a mad man on DC training and diet principles and feel great. I look pretty sexy too :lol:

He still hasn't stated whether he is cutting or bulking (clen could be used to keep the bulk lean?) or recomping I dont think. OP wanna clear that up?

 

[Maxwell600]

def lean bulk.

 

[Maxwell600]

LOL that doesn't make any sense. Do you mean carbs?

...lol no cals, haha, my family is full of genetic fat asses

 

[tnick7]

def lean bulk.

Ok I weigh around 200lb and I am also super responsive to calories, yet I lean bulk on around 3400 cals (~350p/350c/70f)

You definitely weren't eating enough.

Also I don't think clen is necessary on a bulk IMO.

 

[Maxwell600]

clen makes me feel good though

 

[Rugger]

clen makes me feel good though

and will cause heart attacks.

 

[Maxwell600]

ha i only have a few 40mcg tabs left. maybe enough for a week.

 

[Maxwell600]

btw i changed it to 6 egg whites in the morning.