Havoc Cycle bridge 11-oxo into PCT
- 07-17-2008, 05:57 PM
Havoc Cycle bridge 11-oxo into PCT
Ok here's the deal. I'm in my final week of a Havoc cycle up to 40mg / day. I have PCT already lined up with nolva, LX, AX, CS, and all the other goodies needed for a successful, safe cycle. I've had great success with this cycle as I have put on 10-12lbs and strength is through the roof. Now for the million dollar question. I have a couple of bottles of 11-oxo lying around and due to some recent posts I'm thinking of following my Havoc cycle with 2-3 weeks of 11-oxo to help "solidify my gains" (according to the Ergopharm website). I've seen a lot of talk back and forth on this topic but I really didnt see any real conclusion. I could go 2 weeks at 8 caps/day or 3 weeks at 6 caps/day, or is this enough 11-oxo to even consider doing an effective bridge into PCT. Beejis seems to have some thoughts on this and if he is around I hope he chimes in. Oh and by the way this was a recomp stack and I currently weigh about 220lbs. Only the knowledgable please reply as I would like this thread to be quick and to the point. Thanks for the help.
- 07-17-2008, 11:52 PM
- 07-18-2008, 11:19 AM
there has been alot of debate on this. going from a highly anabolic/androgenic compound to a weak compound doesnt make sense to most. i would save the 11oxo to stack with another cycle
07-18-2008, 02:00 PM
Thanks for the input Rob. Anyone else like to comment? i've never tried the 11oxo, so what would one need to add to make a very effective cutting stack(ECA maybe)? Say something I would do following my Havoc PCT just to get the last bit of BF off. Assuming its even needed.
07-18-2008, 02:22 PM
07-18-2008, 03:00 PM
Really. That dose seems low to me. Most of the comments I've seen say that anything less than 6 cap/day (450mg) is a waste. Some even suggest dosing as high as 8 cap/day. I'll probably start off at 6 cap/day as I am 6'2" and ~220+ (thanks to Havoc) and run it for 4 weeks with a ECA stack. Thoughts?
07-18-2008, 05:28 PM
my understanding is that to take full advantage of the anabolic properties of 11-OXO you would want to take higher doses; but you can take advantage of it's cortisol control at lower doses...say 300mg.
07-18-2008, 05:31 PM
also, yes...with a bridge you would start with the more mild product (11-OXO) and bridge into the stronger one (Epi).
however, 11-OXO is non-methylated...if you're familiar with epi then you could consider stacking them.
07-18-2008, 06:34 PM
Thanks Delsol. Ok, let's say that I'm going to put together a cutting (seriously strip BF off) stack built around the 11-oxo to follow my Havoc PCT (with a couple weeks in between). What other things would you add to the mix. ECA (Ephedrine, Caffine, Asprin) + 11-oxo??? Diet will be on point. Other suggestions....
07-19-2008, 01:26 AM
Here's the NEW idea.
Ok, after I finish Havoc PCT (Nolva, LX, AX) here is what I'm thinking to tackle any remaining bodyfat (assuming there is any). Thinking of taking 11oxo, recreate, anabolic pump, and maybe a low dose ECA to give me a bump before the gym. Do you think this will push crotisol levels too low? Any thoughts....
Shredded is the optimal goal here.
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