Fina and 1-test

**BrKonman** · 10-17-2002 08:39 PM

Okay, first off this is my first post on the board... just wanted to say way to go BDC and curt2go! You guys are the best, and thanks for helping the homebrew community!

On to the real question: 1-test vs fina. Have there been any real studies, or even just anecdotal info from users of both, that describe how great the difference between the two actually is? The price difference is intense, obviously. I've done a cycle of 1-test/4-ad already, and found keeping the 4-ad dosing low, and just for anti-side effects, allowed for some pretty lean and strong gains. So is it really worth going the fina route, when 1-t is ridiculously cheaper(not to mention easier to procure :P)

Just as a little background, I do very short cycles, 2/3 weeks, and stop. My body responds well that way, and I only go for the lean gains, no real interest in water weight. Hence, my interest in the wonder implant fina :-P

I've got a bunch of other questions on the specifics of fina, but before I bother asking, I'd like to find out peoples opinions on this topic.

Thanks in advance,
- B

**Chemo** · 10-17-2002 08:43 PM

In light of the legality differences I personally prefer 1-test...

I find that the gains are as lean as tren and with sufficient 4-AD the sides are all but eliminated as well.

Chemo

**Matt T** · 10-18-2002 08:17 AM

i have heard that the 1-test and 4-ad is comparable to tren(fina) and test cycle, is this accurate? or just overhyped?

**WYD02** · 10-19-2002 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Matt T
i have heard that the 1-test and 4-ad is comparable to tren(fina) and test cycle, is this accurate? or just overhyped?

In a sense they would be comparable... but its hard to compare PH"s to the real deal...

**wardog** · 10-19-2002 10:23 PM

Fina= Nasty, agressive, on top of the world, I can kick your ass feeling

1-test= lethargic, droopy, I want to go to sleep feeling

I also know when my cows came off fina, they did feel "down" yet stayed lean..with 1-test I had a NASTY estrogen rebound that gave me fat in places I never had it before in my life. Perhaps thats just me tho.

I say no comparison..except legality

**Colossus320** · 10-20-2002 03:13 AM

yea fina made me easy to anger, I rememebr wanting to throw a bottle of water at some guys face in a movie theatre

but can't deny the positives to this, for one, you can get it legal if youu take the time to make the stuff,w hich is very very easy..your gauranteed gains on this stuff

**ChaseRoy** · 10-20-2002 10:15 AM

why don't you tell us how you make the stuff like you told me earlier...it would be very beneficial for the bros. on this board I am sure!

**Aneas** · 10-21-2002 08:21 AM

I have done fina transdermal with 4-ad and right now I am using one test with 4-ad and have been for the last 3 weeks.

The biggest difference in the two is that fina makes you feel like a madman possed 24/7 while 1-test makes me want to sleep all day. An ECA works well to combat that effect though. On fina I cant sleep and would often get night sweats and on 1-test I sleep like a baby. In the gym though where it counts I have felt strong and aggresssive while on 1-test and the gains have not been that much different than what I got from fina, although fina was better in terms of size and strength.

If both were legal I would say fina is the way to go but if you dont want to do anything illegal 1-test is a very good product.

**wardog** · 10-22-2002 09:33 PM

Those night sweats are a BITCH..arent they bro??? Waking up shaking and sweating. I took many a shower at 4 am on fina...washing the sheets every other night as well

**Aneas** · 10-23-2002 06:25 AM

Originally posted by wardog
Those night sweats are a BITCH..arent they bro??? Waking up shaking and sweating. I took many a shower at 4 am on fina...washing the sheets every other night as well

Yep waking up in the middle of the night freezing cold and soaken wet is not that fun. Its worth the gains though.

**BrKonman** · 10-23-2002 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Aneas
....although fina was better in terms of size and strength.

... think you can get just a teensy bit more specific? Guesstimated ratio of gains on 1-t vs fina? Or maybe based on the huge difference in price, which is more wallet friendly for the gains?

Also... any other abnormal side-effects(like night sweats) that I might not have run across?

TIA
- B

**Aneas** · 10-23-2002 07:40 PM

Originally posted by BrKonman

... think you can get just a teensy bit more specific? Guesstimated ratio of gains on 1-t vs fina? Or maybe based on the huge difference in price, which is more wallet friendly for the gains?

Also... any other abnormal side-effects(like night sweats) that I might not have run across?

TIA
- B

Put it this way if fina was legal I would never touch 1-test. I would guess that fina is probably 2 times as good as far as strength and gains. Remember everybody is different so if cost is such an issue try one test just to see if it works for you.

Only other side I really got was emotional roller coaster.

**hamper19** · 10-24-2002 01:16 PM

what about using both? would there be any point in using both 1-test and fina both transdermally? I was thinking of doing that myself so any input would be cool...thanks

h19

**Aneas** · 10-24-2002 01:43 PM

Originally posted by hamper19
what about using both? would there be any point in using both 1-test and fina both transdermally? I was thinking of doing that myself so any input would be cool...thanks

h19

If you did 4ad with it to keep your libido up I dont see why not. But even then I would not go over 4 weeks. Not sure that there is any synergy between fina and 1-test as I have never tried the combo.

**hamper19** · 10-24-2002 01:57 PM

the plan would be t1pro with fina

h19

**wardog** · 10-24-2002 07:49 PM

Originally posted by hamper19
the plan would be t1pro with fina

h19

I say nix that idea. 4-AD is good with fina, but I do not see the advantage of mixing 1-test with fina..fina is strong enough by itself. $-AD on the other hand has 2 advantages..one it converts to test, the other being that 4-ad is intrinsicly active on its own supposedly.

1-test..to me, is weaker than fina, and would just be additional competition for receptors.

**Lifeguard** · 10-24-2002 08:29 PM

Originally posted by wardog

1-test..to me, is weaker than fina, and would just be additional competition for receptors.

Ahhhh now the question is...do they compete for the same receptors?

and are they both class I or II androgens?

**Lifeguard** · 10-24-2002 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Lifeguard

Ahhhh now the question is...do they compete for the same receptors?

and are they both class I or II androgens?

They're both class I androgens and therefore they both strongly bind to the AR....

Wardog...you are the man.

**Aneas** · 10-24-2002 08:57 PM

I am not 100% sure that two class one steriods in a cycle is a bad thing. Wouldnt you have to overload the receptors first?

If you can get better results from 2 grams of test than one gram of test a week I am certain there is enough receptor space for fina and one test.

I have used many class one steriods in a cycle toghter with good results.

I dont think I would personally add 1-test to fina becuase you would not see that big of a benefit than from fina alone becuase fina is alot stronger. I would not do fina transdermal anyway its very inefficent and a big fat waste of money.

**wardog** · 10-25-2002 05:09 AM

That whole class I and class II thing..is something made up by Bill Roberts of T-rag. There is no real basis in fact for the class I/Class II system.

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