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    Alright here it is..

    Age: 23
    Height: 5'11"
    Weight: 210
    Body Fat: approx. 12-15%

    10 Week Cycle:
    -Fina @ 75 mgs per day (Injections)
    -Test (Enanthate) 250mgs per week
    -Clomid 25 mgs per day
    (Last 2 weeks)- HCG

    Post cycle: (Test Enanthate Has a half-life of 10.5 Days so I should
    10.5 days after my last Test dose... Right?)

    -Liquid Nolva 40 mgs per day (30 days)
    -Clomid 50 mgs per day (30 days)
    -Liquid Clen (Dosage Undetermined.. any suggestions?)

    Supplemental Support: Vitamin C, Multi-Vitamins, Flaxseed Oil,
    Cranberry Extract, Alpha-Lipoic Acid,
    Milk Thistle, Ginger Root, Saw Palmetto,
    L-Glutamine, Liver Tabs, ALCAR, ECA.
    (Cytogainer- main source of protein)

    How does this sound...
    I'm a big boy so I don't mind criticism... just keep in mind, I need to know how to correct my mistakes.

    I designed this stack for my low budget and my goal is to attain maximum size while not bloating or gaining excess fat.

    Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
    Last edited by Blatalian; 10-07-2003 at 04:17 AM.

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    Damn bro, you are making me post this in two threads LOL

    Are you planning on running the tren for the whole 10 weeks?? Not a good idea IMO. Also what is your reasoning for running Clomid throughout? Clomid is a poor choice for an for prevention of gyno, especially at such a low dose. One more thing I would personally bump the test up to 500mg/week minimum. Some people like tren on a first cycle, but are you sure you are ready for ED or EOD injection?? Just a thought

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    Hey bro, here's some suggestions, and nothing more

    1) Can't see the reasoning for 25 mg ed of Clomid while on. Nolva or Arimidex or Letrozole if its for bloat control, my recommendation is for the latter most.

    2) This is your first cycle, take advantage, bump that TE to 500 or 600 as Bone suggested.

    3) 10 Weeks of Tren on a first cycle might be pushing it :P ED and EOD injects aren't for everyone, though some of us *cough* have no problem with it for a first cycle. Really depends on you.

    4) Clen, I believe the consensus is 20 - 30 mcg ed for muscle loss prevention post cycle. Someone wanna back me up on this?

    5) Yes, if you're gonna end with TE then when its cleared out mostly, hit up PCT. Though, you may want to make your last 2 weeks or so TP and hit the PCT day after last inject.

    6) Cytogainer as main source of protein? And you don't wanna gain lots of fat? Heh, waay too much sugar IMHO in that one for a main source. Fine for post w/o but throughout the rest of the day do yourself a favor and get a straight whey or a nice blend and add in some olive oil for fats, ground-oatmeal for carbs.

    Good luck, and remember... just suggestions, what ya end up doing is entirely your choice.

    Originally posted by Blatalian

    10 Week Cycle:
    -Fina @ 75 mgs per day (Injections)
    -Test (Enanthate) 250mgs per week
    -Clomid 25 mgs per day
    (Last 2 weeks)- HCG

    Post cycle: (Test Enanthate Has a half-life of 10.5 Days so I should
    10.5 days after my last Test dose... Right?)
    ...
    -Liquid Clen (Dosage Undetermined.. any suggestions?)
    ...
    (Cytogainer- main source of protein)
    ...
    .... not bloating or gaining excess fat.

    Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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    Thanks for the advise Bone...

    I was informed that clomid, taken at a small dosage, everday would help the gonads in use while on the cycle... Is that a wrong idea?

    Also, I know that Arimidex or Letrozol are much better choices.. but I'm working on a tight budget and I haven't found any good deals thus far..
    Any suggestions?

    I am planning on taking the Tren for the whole 10 weeks...initially I was planning on taking Tren and nothing else....

    As far as the Test..how big of an improvement would 500mg be over 250 mgs? Would it be worth the extra money?
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    Here's how I personally would run that cycle:
    weeks 1-10 Enan @ 500mg/week
    weeks 1-4 Dbol (35mg/day) or some prohormone to kickstart.
    weeks 3-8 100mg tren EOD

    Don't use clomid throughout, your balls will get shutdown no matter what.

    Arimidex is VERY worth it to have on hand, you might not end up needing it.

    Tren for 10 weeks for a first cycle is just asking for trouble. It's your first cycle and tren is a VERY powerful steroid. 50mg/day for 6 weeks will blow your mind. Save the rest for later

    Yes... 500mg will be a BIG improvement over 250mg. The lowest I'd go for is 250mg every 4 days, which works out to 437.5mg/week of enan.

    Cytogainer is not a lean bulker.

    20-30mcg of clen per day for 2 weeks is the general consensus when coming off to allow one to eat a lot of calories to retain muscle without gettin too fat.

    Start post cycle 10 days after last enan shot. Use the clomid here.

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    Here's how I personally would run that cycle:
    weeks 1-10 Enan @ 500mg/week
    weeks 1-4 Dbol (35mg/day) or some prohormone to kickstart.
    weeks 3-8 100mg tren EOD

    Don't use clomid throughout, your balls will get shutdown no matter what.

    Arimidex is VERY worth it to have on hand, you might not end up needing it.

    Tren for 10 weeks for a first cycle is just asking for trouble. It's your first cycle and tren is a VERY powerful steroid. 50mg/day for 6 weeks will blow your mind. Save the rest for later. Also, ED or EOD pinning can get to you after a while. I know I like it, but i'm a freak.

    Yes... 500mg will be a BIG improvement over 250mg. The lowest I'd go for is 250mg every 4 days, which works out to 437.5mg/week of enan.

    Cytogainer is not a lean bulker.

    20-30mcg of clen per day for 2 weeks is the general consensus when coming off to allow one to eat a lot of calories to retain muscle without gettin too fat.

    Start post cycle 10 days after last enan shot. Use the clomid here.

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
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    I appreciate the advice ManBeast..

    Damn It! I just orderd 4 big-ass tubs of cytogainer too!
    I've been using Cytogainer for a few months now, and I've gained a good 25-30 pounds..mostly muscle.. but that would deffinitely explain the extra fat I've packed on...

    Which Protein brand do you recommend? N Large?

    If 50mgs aday of Tren would blow my mind... wouldn't 100mgs (even from weeks 3-8 ) cause problems?

    What do you think about site-injections (ie. delts, calfs, tri's bi's).. I've heard good results , especially in the localized area, with that method.

    As far as the Arimidex and D-bol...Do you have any good sources that I can use, If you do my E-Mail is auto12795@Hushmail.Com.
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    I'm no pro but i gotta bump the dbol suggestion...it has got to be the best thing since sliced bread! You will love it. Im doing pretty much what manbeast suggested, cept using EQ instead of tren....Reading on a lot of the boards, its seems to be one of the most recommended first cycles:
    500mg Test weeks 1-10
    400mg Eq weeks 1-10
    30mg dbol weeks 1-4.
    (and you only gotta pin 2x per week)
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    Hey BrKonman,

    I never heard of those accronims ..(ie. TE,TP, PCT)
    Can you break em' down for me?
    I think I'm gonna try you're recommendation...
    I have half a bottle of T-1 Pro... can I replace that with D-Bol? 
    I haven't read the board rules reguarding asking about sources but I will read them in the future or Matthew D is going to ban me  

    I found a great deal for Letro at Liquid Research...


    Thanks for that advice NE1.. I'll keep that in mind.
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    Blatatian.. first you need to do more research if you don't know what TE or TP or PCT is.. second you got edited because of the asking for a source.. next time I am going to ban you..
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    My bad concerning #2 of the Board Rules... I misunderstood..
    Honest mistake- won't happen again...
    I'm just on this site to learn, not to cause trouble.

    But about doing more research... I've been on this site as well as many others for over 2 months doing nothing but research and I've never run into those accronims.

    My apologies to BrKonman, sorry for putting you on the spot like that.
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    TE = test enan (long ester)
    TP = test prop (short ester)
    PCT = post-cycle therapy.

    My suggestion for 100mgs of tren was EOD (every other day) and not ED (every day), so it works out to 50mg per day. With EOD injects you don't stick yourself quite as often.

    I use a very low carb protien drink (optimum 100% whey usually) because Carbs and I are only good on bulking, and I'll add them in when I want.

    arimidex is avaliable in liqiud form for "research" purposes at a lot of places.

    ManBeast

    P.S. two months of resarch into a steroid cycle is probably not enough
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
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    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
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    Point well taken ManBeast..
    I'm officialy postponing my cycle until a later date...

    After some thought, I'm considering taking the Tren transdermally... that way only 1 shot per week is needed..

    Since the transdermal rate of absorbtion is approx 50-60 percent less than injections... what dosage per day would be adequate for a first cycle..
    I appreciate tha info.

    Hey BrKonman ...your MailBox is full dude!
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    Eh.... you loose so much of a very expensive compound that way.... Try to see if you can just hold on to it (****.. you have a LOT if you have enough for that cycle above ). Have you done a prohormone cycle yet?
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
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    Have you done a prohormone cycle yet?
    Yea.. I just got through with a T-1 Pro Cycle of about 1 month...
    After taking that stuff I was wonderin' what tha hell is really in it!
    I must have gained 10 pounds and my shoulders lit up!
    Good stuff! Wish I knew about vitamin B5 then though..

    Why do you ask?


    you loose so much of a very expensive compound that way....
    I was able to get Finaplix relatively cheap .... the TE is where I spent the most..
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    If you're able to get it you can run Tren Enth if you don't want the EOD injections of Tren Acetate.
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    Seriously, If you are going to do a cycle, you need a solid test base in there, especially with tren. If you just have enan and tren there are a couple ways to do it, my personal choice would be the following:
    1-8(or 10) 500mg TE per week
    1-6 100mg tren EOD
    Start post cycle 10 days after last test shot.
    I'd also consider researching HCG, I personally like it for longer cycles.

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
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