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    What do you think of MDrol again?


    BUT, i had a small small case of gyno after 3-4 months of the first run. Used some letro, rid of most of it.
    EDIT: When i say most, i mean it went from maybe dime sized lump under right side to pea sized...nothing noticeable.
    Would prolly get Nolva for it this time around...last PCT was..
    Torem
    Diesel Test H.
    PCS by AI
    Retain 2

    This time i'd prolly go....
    Torem/Nolva alternate days.Torem has long half life and i know Nolva will help keep Gyno at bay....OR

    Torem/Letro(low dose) alternate days, pyramid down.
    Deisel Test H. again
    Lean Xtreme
    I will have Forskolii (20%) from Nutra.

    I was planning a havoc/Epistane run but would rather bulk some more first....then go into the Epi compounds.

    I know it may be alot of stress, ill have Liv52, Cycle Support, Omegas for the cycles

    This will all be used in conjuntion with GHRP-6, Storm(creatine),Glycerol Mono Sterate, Xtend and a few other staples...

    Any ideas please toss out there, good, bad and mean i dont care.

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    what about an m-drol/epi cycle ?
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    Well, it was going to be Mdrol/havoc or epi. But if Madrol doesnt seem to be a good idea in the situation, ill just run Havoc/Epi 6 weeks.
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    bump... anyone else?
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    Used mdrol a couple of times. First time on a bulk and blew up in the first couple of weeks (with test at 30mg/day). The only problem was that I felt it completely shut me down hard. That is purely anecdotal however. Second time I only used it for a week and a half at 10mg/day. Much better experience. In both cases it seemed to really dry me out a lot which was nice. No gyno problems in either case.

    I think you would be fine just using torem or nolva during pct (personally I would use clomid), then once you complete the SERM, use a low dose AI for a few weeks tapering off of it slowly.
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    Alright, im low/no sides to mdrol except the gyno.
    Im thinking 20/20/30
    Torem for 4 weeks, 90/90/60/40 or clomid if i can get it.
    Test booster mid way SERM use, i was going to use Forskholii this time.
    6oxo after SERM use.
    This would be after a Mdrol/Havoc-Epi bridge...unless the mdrol seems tokick my as$ for some reason.

    I have support supps locked.

    I wanna bulk one good time before i cut for my possible comp.

    Hows all that sound?
    Im not new to this business but i wanna save myself form the letro this time around. or maybe ill use some letro E3D at a low dose to keep the estro and aromatizing at bay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    Alright, im low/no sides to mdrol except the gyno.
    Im thinking 20/20/30
    Torem for 4 weeks, 90/90/60/40 or clomid if i can get it.
    Test booster mid way SERM use, i was going to use Forskholii this time.
    6oxo after SERM use.
    This would be after a Mdrol/Havoc-Epi bridge...unless the mdrol seems tokick my as$ for some reason.

    I have support supps locked.

    I wanna bulk one good time before i cut for my possible comp.

    Hows all that sound?
    Im not new to this business but i wanna save myself form the letro this time around. or maybe ill use some letro E3D at a low dose to keep the estro and aromatizing at bay?
    I like that set up. 6-oxo seems solid although I've never used it.

    IF you did use the letro, what dose were you thinking? Half life is long enough to dose only once a week I believe...
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    prolly .75mg. I ran it .25/.50/.75/1.0/.75/.50/.25 and on the taper down i alternated days with Torem. I very knowledgable member recomended that to me.
    Ill prolly use the letro in there .50~.75 E3D, think that'll help.

    EDIT: not worried about shutdown as i bounce back eventually.
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    Who trip? He's a letro pimping nut!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Who trip? He's a letro pimping nut!
    word.
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    Test Booster while on cycle?


    My question is, does anyone use a test booster while on cycle? From my experience and from reading lots, a test booster is used as soon as your cycle is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spshond View Post
    My question is, does anyone use a test booster while on cycle? From my experience and from reading lots, a test booster is used as soon as your cycle is over.
    i usually do 2-3 days after, if not right away, i read some wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    i usually do 2-3 days after, if not right away, i read some wait.

    2-3 days after cycle ends, or 2-3 days after cycle begins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Who trip? He's a letro pimping nut!
    Thats right b*tch..tell a friend...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by spshond View Post
    My question is, does anyone use a test booster while on cycle? From my experience and from reading lots, a test booster is used as soon as your cycle is over.
    Test booster on cycle is pointless, and a huge waste of money.

    EDIT: although neetle root (tribtest) with a test cycle is a very good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    Test booster on cycle is pointless, and a huge waste of money.

    Thats what I thought, hmmm. What is the closest thing to Test Enanthenate? Would you use thtat on cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spshond View Post
    Thats what I thought, hmmm. What is the closest thing to Test Enanthenate? Would you use thtat on cycle?
    Test is test is test, doesn't matter the form...just slighly changes inject times. There is no superior version of test and I can't stand when people say there is. What the hell are you asking bro....(closest to enan) meaning what? Orals?. injects?.
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    whoa whoa whoa easy on the thread jacking there guy.(not you trip)
    haha
    AAS and PHs will go great together....anyways.
    Yea at PCT, TBs on cycle is dumb, you are creating a false enviroment of test and thats why it causes shutdown....anywho....

    Glad to see the boss(TripD) is in the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    whoa whoa whoa easy on the thread jacking there guy.(not you trip)
    haha
    AAS and PHs will go great together....anyways.
    Yea at PCT, TBs on cycle is dumb, you are creating a false enviroment of test and thats why it causes shutdown....anywho....

    Glad to see the boss(TripD) is in the thread.

    Thanks you, question has been answered, sorry for jacking the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spshond View Post
    Thanks you, question has been answered, sorry for jacking the thread.
    haha just playin bro. we're all learning still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    BUT, i had a small small case of gyno after 3-4 months of the first run. Used some letro, rid of most of it.
    EDIT: When i say most, i mean it went from maybe dime sized lump under right side to pea sized...nothing noticeable.
    Would prolly get Nolva for it this time around...last PCT was..
    Torem
    Diesel Test H.
    PCS by AI
    Retain 2

    This time i'd prolly go....
    Torem/Nolva alternate days.Torem has long half life and i know Nolva will help keep Gyno at bay....OR

    Torem/Letro(low dose) alternate days, pyramid down.
    Deisel Test H. again
    Lean Xtreme
    I will have Forskolii (20%) from Nutra.

    I was planning a havoc/Epistane run but would rather bulk some more first....then go into the Epi compounds.

    I know it may be alot of stress, ill have Liv52, Cycle Support, Omegas for the cycles

    This will all be used in conjuntion with GHRP-6, Storm(creatine),Glycerol Mono Sterate, Xtend and a few other staples...

    Any ideas please toss out there, good, bad and mean i dont care.
    Hey man regardless of what some say, I like the double serm thing myself. I actually used a tor/clom/tamox combo my last and it did me good things(clom only first 2 weeks). I do like DTH in pct also, as it is a staple TB. The ghrp-6 as you know i love that as well, and make sure you take it in a fasted state(middle of night is best time bro).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    Hey man regardless of what some say, I like the double serm thing myself. I actually used a tor/clom/tamox combo my last and it did me good things(clom only first 2 weeks). I do like DTH in pct also, as it is a staple TB. The ghrp-6 as you know i love that as well, and make sure you take it in a fasted state(middle of night is best time bro).

    for sure. Some PCT im going to do it mid night. I have been doing it morn and PWO mostly. Got some left.
    I love DTH for sure.

    EDIT: T1, either way, im goin to do the havoc, just a matter of if i do the mdrol first. A bulk with mdrol, recomp with havoc/epi then cut with the rest of whatever. Time to get shredded, after all this itll be my first heavy cut, im talking 5% or so....yea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    for sure. Some PCT im going to do it mid night. I have been doing it morn and PWO mostly. Got some left.
    I love DTH for sure.

    EDIT: T1, either way, im goin to do the havoc, just a matter of if i do the mdrol first. A bulk with mdrol, recomp with havoc/epi then cut with the rest of whatever. Time to get shredded, after all this itll be my first heavy cut, im talking 5% or so....yea.
    Would you take 6-oxo with your DTH, Torem, PCS by AI, and/or lean extreme or 11-oxo
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    for sure. Some PCT im going to do it mid night. I have been doing it morn and PWO mostly. Got some left.
    I love DTH for sure.

    EDIT: T1, either way, im goin to do the havoc, just a matter of if i do the mdrol first. A bulk with mdrol, recomp with havoc/epi then cut with the rest of whatever. Time to get shredded, after all this itll be my first heavy cut, im talking 5% or so....yea.
    I hear you bro. Let me know because i'll be following along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spshond View Post
    Would you take 6-oxo with your DTH, Torem, PCS by AI, and/or lean extreme or 11-oxo
    6oxo before bed is how i usually use it, ate 3 caps. Not to strong or itll over do it.
    DTH, 2 morn, 1 noon, 2 night.
    PCS 2 morn 2 night.
    Lean xtreme, no idea.

    I think my OTC PCT stuff will be..
    DTH, 6oxo and some forskolii maybe after the DTH to help hold muscle and keep muscles hard. Stuff sounds good from my research.
    Not sure i wanna use a cort control, but with GHRP6 i prolly should. i used Retain2 a few times, once in my PCT, i say good results the first run with ResetAD and Incarnate.
    Then in PCT, i dint see much difference from use.

    Got alot of organizing to do still and timing. I am going out of town 1,2,3 of august which isnt a problem but i may drink a little, but am going to try not too. Ill bring my PEA,Piracetam,GABA,Choline combo to help out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I hear you bro. Let me know because i'll be following along.
    awesome, ill let you knwo for sure. Oh yea, itll be the 6 weeker like we talk a long time ago....something like 30/30/40/40/40/50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    6oxo before bed is how i usually use it, ate 3 caps. Not to strong or itll over do it.
    DTH, 2 morn, 1 noon, 2 night.
    PCS 2 morn 2 night.
    Lean xtreme, no idea.

    I think my OTC PCT stuff will be..
    DTH, 6oxo and some forskolii maybe after the DTH to help hold muscle and keep muscles hard. Stuff sounds good from my research.
    Not sure i wanna use a cort control, but with GHRP6 i prolly should. i used Retain2 a few times, once in my PCT, i say good results the first run with ResetAD and Incarnate.
    Then in PCT, i dint see much difference from use.

    Got alot of organizing to do still and timing. I am going out of town 1,2,3 of august which isnt a problem but i may drink a little, but am going to try not too. Ill bring my PEA,Piracetam,GABA,Choline combo to help out.
    How would you take the Torem ( dose it )? with what you have here. So you would not take a cortisol control?
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    120/90/60/30
    I would get a cort control prolly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MentalTwitch View Post
    120/90/60/30
    I would get a cort control prolly.

    From your experience or anyone elses out there, what would be the best one out there on the market to use?
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    gonna start a havoc cycle ina few days but i also have a bottle of m-drol sitting in my draw. I was wondering if the sides are much harsher on the mdrol compared to havoc. Was gonna do a 20/30/30/30
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppydogg View Post
    gonna start a havoc cycle ina few days but i also have a bottle of m-drol sitting in my draw. I was wondering if the sides are much harsher on the mdrol compared to havoc. Was gonna do a 20/30/30/30

    I have done Havoc and I did it at 20/30/40/40. Havoc was great for me, the sides are much more minimal than Mdrol. Havoc and Hdrol are very mild compares to SD clones.
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    thanks man..yea i had thought the sides on havoc were minimal as compared to mdrol. I think ill just hold the mdrol and go for the havoc
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppydogg View Post
    thanks man..yea i had thought the sides on havoc were minimal as compared to mdrol. I think ill just hold the mdrol and go for the havoc
    I to thought about it, but I will be running Mdrol lightly, not going past 20. I want lean gains. Iam at 200 right now and I hope to gain about 10 lbs keep 6 and then maybe loose about 10 lbs of fat. iam about 14% body fat. During the winter i may do an epistane and Mdrol cycle, wet and dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppydogg View Post
    thanks man..yea i had thought the sides on havoc were minimal as compared to mdrol. I think ill just hold the mdrol and go for the havoc
    Havoc is more androgenic (acne, hairloss), but Mdrol is more toxic (liver, hdl)
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    did a cycle of phera phex a while back..that sides were minimal.im thinkin its kinda like havoc
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppydogg View Post
    did a cycle of phera phex a while back..that sides were minimal.im thinkin its kinda like havoc

    From my understanding Phera is a wet compound ( some Bloat ) and Havoc is very dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spshond View Post
    From my understanding Phera is a wet compound ( some Bloat ) and Havoc is very dry.
    yes this is true, same things trip mentioned.
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    You can make gains on mdrol with 10mg/day. THE entire cycle imo. Havoc is just the shizznet cuz you feel great in the gym aggression wise. If I could redo my first cycle it would be havoc for 6 weeks or Test/tren 12 weeks at silly doses. Mdrol imo is harsher then all of the above. That purely anecdotal and only applies to what I've experienced obviously...
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