[jackofall]

Well, it is 2 months after my first ph experience. I had what I think are great results from what everyone says is the weakest of ph's. I ran Bold at 800mg ed for 8 weeks. I gained a solid 12lbs of lbm and kept fat the same. I had a bodpod body composition test at 6 weeks into the cylce that proved it all lbm. I did have some shrinkage and complete loss of libido. All was back to normal after my PCT. Now 2 months after I am fully recovered and preparing for the next cycle.

I have kept all my gains but I have added 3-4lbs of fat during PCT. I am thinking of running Havoc for 4 weeks at 10, 20, 30, 40. I have everything in place support sups as well as PCT. I finished Bold 1st week of May and PCT ended end of May.

When should I look to start my next cycle? Any advice on using a different product? I also experience the fat gain during PCT. Any advice on how to avoid fat during PCT would be helpful. I continued eating excess through PCT because I heard it was necassary to keep your gains. My PCT was nolva and 6oxo ramped up then down.

[nosnmiveins]

what are ur stats?

[futurepilot]

Originally Posted by jackofall

I had a bodpod body composition test at 6 weeks into the cylce that proved it all lbm.

What was the result?

[jackofall]

Originally Posted by futurepilot

What was the result?

Sorry, should have put all that in. I read a lot but dont post much. I am 6' 0" I had a bodpod done in Jan and I was 165lb lean mass and 37lb fat 19% fat. I then had one done around the end of april (6th week of cycle) 180lb lean and 39lb fat 17% fat. I started the Bold cycle in March around 208-210lb and finished at 222lb. I am currently around 225.

Stats before after
Neck 16.3 - 17
Chest 44.5 - 46.5
Waist 37 - 37.5
Arms 13.5 - 15.5
Thighs 23 - 24.5
Calves 16.8 - 17.5

[wanaswel]

what is your diet like ? Are you eating the same as you did when you was on your cycle

[TripDog]

Originally Posted by jackofall

Sorry, should have put all that in. I read a lot but dont post much. I am 6' 0" I had a bodpod done in Jan and I was 165lb lean mass and 37lb fat 19% fat. I then had one done around the end of april (6th week of cycle) 180lb lean and 39lb fat 17% fat. I started the Bold cycle in March around 208-210lb and finished at 222lb. I am currently around 225.

Stats before after
Neck 16.3 - 17
Chest 44.5 - 46.5
Waist 37 - 37.5
Arms 13.5 - 15.5
Thighs 23 - 24.5
Calves 16.8 - 17.5

Dam, you put on a lot of weight this year man.

[pembroke3355]

You should only run 10mg for 1-2 days then up it to 20 if everything is ok through day 14. I would wait about another month but that is just my opinion. Best of luck

[futurepilot]

Originally Posted by jackofall

Arms 13.5 - 15.5

2 inches on your arms? Yikes, any stretch marks?

15lbs of LBM looks like you had a succescul cycle.

You might want to take some time to settle into your new body before starting another cycle. You have to understand that 15lbs could be a year natural, so its a lot of stress on your body. Plus letting your hormones etc calm down first.

[jackofall]

Diet while on was an average of 3300 cals day of 250/350/100 p/c/f. I have had a tremendous change over the span of a year. I started March 07 at 265lbs and about 40% fat. My first bodpod was 243lbs 158lbm and 85lbs fat 35% f and I slowly progressed with a very strict diet and exercise down to 201lb at 165lb lean in jan 08. I was much smaller and was not happy with my new tiny body.

Yes my arms grew 2" but that is because they shrunk 3" with the almost a year of dieting. I think I put so much weight on because I finally started eating. I stayed around 2000 cals a day from March 07 to Jan 08. I was trying desperately to see some definition only to find out there was very little muscle under all that fat.

No, I dont have any stretch marks but like I said I started with 16" fatceps so my arms have actually shrunk.

My current diet is around 2800 cals but there are way too many weekend long eating out excursions and I have been adding some unwanted fat. I cant seem to get back to a strict diet.

I have been able to keep or increase the strength I gained while on but I can tell a huge difference with the volume. I cannot do near as many sets as I could while on cycle.

I am trying to go about all this as intelligently as I can and I learned a lot about my body with the first Bold cycle. I still have a lot to figure out and everyone in the forum has been very helpful. Thanks

[pembroke3355]

Originally Posted by jackofall

Diet while on was an average of 3300 cals day of 250/350/100 p/c/f. I have had a tremendous change over the span of a year. I started March 07 at 265lbs and about 40% fat. My first bodpod was 241lbs 156lbm and 85lbs fat 35% f and I slowly progressed with a very strict diet and exercise down to 201lb at 165lb lean in jan 08. I was much smaller and was not happy with my new tiny body.

Yes my arms grew 2" but that is because they shrunk 3" with the almost a year of dieting. I think I put so much weight on because I finally started eating. I stayed around 2000 cals a day from March 07 to Jan 08. I was trying desperately to see some definition only to find out there was very little muscle under all that fat.

No, I dont have any stretch marks but like I said I started with 16" fatceps so my arms have actually shrunk.

My current diet is around 2800 cals but there are way too many weekend long eating out excursions and I have been adding some unwanted fat. I cant seem to get back to a strict diet.

I have been able to keep or increase the strength I gained while on but I can tell a huge difference with the volume. I cannot do near as many sets as I could while on cycle.

I am trying to go about all this as intelligently as I can and I learned a lot about my body with the first Bold cycle. I still have a lot to figure out and everyone in the forum has been very helpful. Thanks

Any time we can help bro

[jackofall]

I decided to focus on a small 2-3 week cut diet, drop 3-4 pounds before I go ahead with the havoc. Here is the Cycle I decided on:
Havoc
10mg first 2 days
20 1st week
20 2nd week
30 3rd week
40 4th week adjust if needed

Tamoxifene citrate 40/40/20/20
6oxo 4caps for a week then 3 a week then 2 starting 4th week of PCT.

Not sure if I should try a cortisol blocker do they really help hold fat at bay?

Diet will be 3000-3300 cals a day which was plenty for me to grow with Bold 250p/350c/100f.

Wish me luck. I figure one of these days if I keep at it I might actually look like a body builder

[pumpironchef]

Originally Posted by jackofall

I decided to focus on a small 2-3 week cut diet, drop 3-4 pounds before I go ahead with the havoc. Here is the Cycle I decided on:
Havoc
10mg first 2 days
20 1st week
20 2nd week
30 3rd week
40 4th week adjust if needed

Tamoxifene citrate 40/40/20/20
6oxo 4caps for a week then 3 a week then 2 starting 4th week of PCT.

Not sure if I should try a cortisol blocker do they really help hold fat at bay?

Diet will be 3000-3300 cals a day which was plenty for me to grow with Bold 250p/350c/100f.

Wish me luck. I figure one of these days if I keep at it I might actually look like a body builder

Did you ever try this cycle and how did it work for you?

[jackofall]

Originally Posted by pumpironchef

Did you ever try this cycle and how did it work for you?

gained 10lbs, but I looked very bloated the whole time. Joints hurt especialy in the wrist and elbows almost to the point where I didnt want to workout. Lost every pound I gaind in PCT. Overall I think I am going to stay away from this stuff. My body does not seem to recover well at all. After PCt I felt terrible, depressed and no libido.

Instead of going for that muscular look I will concentrate on the thin cancer patient look becasue that seems to be all my body is capable of