Anavar only Cycle
- 06-26-2008, 07:54 AM
Anavar only Cycle
I am going to run an anavar only cycle. was able to get cheap bulk anavar powder. this will be my first cycle
Im going to run 40mg ED (20mg twice daily)
I am also going to run letrozole 1.25mg twice weekly to take care of any estrogen which may build up
Im going to run it for ten weeks with the usual liver protectants etc.
Do i still need nolvadex for PCT as i wont have much estrogen from running letro on cycle
Since i dont need nolvadex is there any PCT needed??
- 06-26-2008, 09:38 AM
- 06-26-2008, 09:47 AM
I'm running a 6wk cycle of var in about a week at 40mg. I was told not to run orals more than 6wks I might be wrong but don't you think 10wks is kinda long? This is also my first cycle
06-26-2008, 10:34 AM
He should be fine with 10 weeks. its is a 17aa but the liver toxicity is overrated. There are much worse things that we put in our body's that we don't realize are much more toxic then oral steroids.
Some people may respond differently though so blood work is always advised.
06-26-2008, 10:50 AM
I wouldn't use the letro unless you have to. Var by itself will kill your sex drive, add in letro and even viagra won't be able to help you. 40mg is a very low dose, I don't usually respond to anything less than 80, but then again, that's how I am with everything. Var is only mildly toxic, so liver protection should not be a concern as long as you are not drinking. PCT will be necessary, but it won't take much to recover.
06-26-2008, 11:05 AM
I didn't even see that you were going to run letro. Anavar does not aromatize no need for the letro. My lidibo was fine when i took var. Take 50mg of proviron ed just in case your worried about your libido crashing.
06-26-2008, 11:23 AM
06-26-2008, 12:00 PM
letro is not needed as people say. Anavar gets processed through the kidneys more so than the liver. It also does not seem to be a cholesterol killer like some of the other orals, possibly due to less action in the liver, not sure. A little policosinol throughtout the cycle would not hurt though.
06-26-2008, 02:14 PM
06-26-2008, 02:38 PM
Very little mass maybe 5lbs if your lucky, good strength gains tough. The mass you put on though is easily maintainable and the fat you lose from anavar is easy to keep off unlike other steroids/PH's/DS
06-26-2008, 04:44 PM
06-26-2008, 05:05 PM
i did 80mg for 8 weeks and gained quality mass (i think it was about 8 lbs.) and I just looked great, all veiny and cut.
It did screw up the libido for awhile though, i think it was blood pressure related
06-26-2008, 09:53 PM
first thing i noticed is letro. Its not needed.
2nd thing i noticed is 40mg ed is a low dose. How about 60?
Var is mild, I think you could push to 8 weeks but nothing wrong with 6 especially for a first cycle. Suppression shouldn't be too bad so PCT should be a breeze.
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06-27-2008, 08:58 AM
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06-27-2008, 10:43 AM
Lovejoy JC, Bray GA, Greeson CS, Klemperer M, Morris J, Partington C, Tulley R. Oral anabolic steroid treatment, but not parenteral androgen treatment, decreases abdominal fat in obese, older men. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1995;19(9):614-24.
OBJECTIVE: To compare the effects of testosterone enanthate (TE), anabolic steroid (AS) or placebo (PL) on regional fat distribution and health risk factors in obese middle-aged men undergoing weight loss by dietary means. DESIGN: Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial, carried out for 9 months with primary assessments at 3 month intervals. Due to adverse blood lipid changes, the AS group was switched from oral oxandrolone (ASOX) to parenteral nandrolone decaoate (ASND) after the 3 month assessment point. SUBJECTS: Thirty healthy, obese men, aged 40-60 years, with serum testosterone (T) levels in the low-normal range (2-5 ng/mL). MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Abdominal fat distribution and thigh muscle volume by CT scan, body composition by dual energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA), insulin sensitivity by the Minimal Model method, blood lipids, blood chemistry, blood pressure, thyroid hormones and urological parameters. RESULTS: After 3 months, there was a significantly greater decrease in subcutaneous (SQ) abdominal fat in the ASOX group compared to the TE and PL groups although body weight changes did not differ by treatment group. There was also a tendency for the ASOX group to exhibit greater losses in visceral fat, and the absolute level of visceral fat in this group was significantly lower at 3 months than in the TE and PL groups. There were significant main effects of treatment at 3 months on serum T and free T (increased in the TE group and decreased in the ASOX group) and on thyroid hormone parameters (T4 and T3 resin uptake significantly decreased in the ASOX group compared with the other two groups). There was a significant decrease in HDL-C, and increase in LDL-C in the ASOX group, which led to their being switched to the parenteral nandrolone decanoate (ASND) after 3 months. ASND had opposite effects on visceral fat from ASOX, producing a significant increase from 3 to 9 months while continuing to decrease SQ abdominal fat. ASND treatment also decreased thigh muscle area, while ASOX treatment increased high muscle. ASND reversed the effects of ASOX on lipoproteins and thyroid hormones. The previously reported effect of T to decrease visceral fat was not observed, in fact, visceral fat in the TE group increased slightly from 3 to 9 months, although SQ fat continued to decrease. Neither TE nor AS treatment resulted in any change in urologic parameters. CONCLUSIONS: Oral oxandrolone decreased SQ abdominal fat more than TE or weight loss alone and also tended to produce favorable changes in visceral fat. TE and ASND injections given every 2 weeks had similar effects to weight loss alone on regional body fat. Most of the beneficial effects observed on metabolic and cardiovascular risk factors were due to weight loss per se. These results suggest that SQ and visceral abdominal fat can be independently modulated by androgens and that at least some anabolic steroids are capable of influencing abdominal fat.
Schroeder ET, Zheng L, Ong MD, Martinez C, Flores C, Stewart Y, Azen C, Sattler FR. Effects of androgen therapy on adipose tissue and metabolism in older men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004;89(10):4863-72.
We investigated the effects of oxandrolone on regional fat compartments and markers of metabolism. Thirty-two 60- to 87-yr-old men (body mass index, 28.1 +/- 3.4 kg/m(2)) were randomized to oxandrolone (20 mg/d; n = 20) or matching placebo (n = 12) treatment for 12 wk. Oxandrolone reduced total (-1.8 +/- 1.0 kg; P < 0.001), trunk (-1.2 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001), and appendicular (-0.6 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001) fat, as determined by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry. The changes in total and trunk fat were greater (P < 0.001) than the changes with placebo. By magnetic resonance imaging, visceral adipose tissue decreased (-20.9 +/- 12 cm(2); P < 0.001), abdominal sc adipose tissue (SAT) declined (-10.7 +/- 12.1 cm(2); P = 0.043), the ratio VAT/SAT declined from 0.57 +/- 0.23 to 0.49 +/- 0.19 (P = 0.002), and proximal and distal thigh SC fat declined [-8.3 +/- 6.7 cm(2) (P < 0.001) and -2.2 +/- 3.0 kg (P = 0.004), respectively]. Changes in proximal and distal thigh SC fat with oxandrolone were different than with placebo (P = 0.018 and P = 0.059). A marker of insulin sensitivity (quantitative insulin sensitivity check index) improved with oxandrolone by 0.0041 +/- 0.0071 (P = 0.018) at study wk 12. Changes in total fat, abdominal SAT, and proximal extremity SC fat were correlated with changes in fasting insulin from baseline to study wk 12 (r >or= 0.45; P < 0.05). Losses of total fat and SAT were greater in men with baseline testosterone of 10.4 nmol/liter or less (<or= 300 ng/dl) than in those with higher levels [-2.5 +/- 1.1 vs. -1.5 +/- 0.8 kg (P = 0.036) and -24.1 +/- 14.3 vs. -2.9 +/- 21.3 cm(2) (P = 0.03), respectively]. Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry scanning were sustained (P < 0.02). Androgen therapy, therefore, produced significant and durable reductions in regional abdominal and peripheral adipose tissue that were associated with improvements in estimates of insulin sensitivity. However, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol decreased by -0.49 +/- 0.21 mmol/liter and directly measured low-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.57 +/- 0.67 mmol/liter and non-high-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.54 +/- 0.97 mmol/liter (P < 0.03 for each) during treatment with oxandrolone; these changes were largely reversible. Thus, therapy with an androgen that does not adversely affect lipids may be beneficial for some components of the metabolic syndrome in overweight older men with low testosterone levels.
06-27-2008, 12:09 PM
As said above, NO letro is needed.
I personally would not run this cycle, your first cycle should be a good one and you should really consider running test with it. 2 shots a week for a total of 500mg ... you will not regret listening to me! I've only used HCG and novla for PCT and recovered fine ... I wont take clomid
its also interesting that I am hearing people say take more than 40mg ... maybe because you plan to take it by itself? The usual dose for var is 25, 40, or 50mg's ... never really heard people advising to take more. Your liver really isn't the biggest concern while taking anavar, its your lipids etc you need to worry about
06-27-2008, 12:24 PM
Color me surprised. I guess the UG powder from China really was crap because I never saw any fat loss.
06-30-2008, 08:59 PM
06-30-2008, 10:32 PM
06-30-2008, 10:39 PM
I'm subscribing to your thread and will be following this. I have some anavar powder too which I have been sitting on for a few weeks. I need to improve my diet before starting a cycle so I don't wasted my time and money and have been debating running test prop with it but have more research to do on both substances, sides, pct protocol, etc.
My understanding, although i am a newbie, is that an var cycle is ok by itself while other orals are not. Depends on your goals.
Looking forward to updates in your thread!
06-30-2008, 11:21 PM
My reasoning for using the letro was even though anavar doesnt aromatize through the feedback loop wont the rise in testosterone in turn cause a rise in estrogen. and i also read that letro alone can cause a significant rise in testosterone. However if you guys reckon it is wise i will ditch the letro.
The reason im doing a anavar only cycle is for one from what i have read there are very little side effects. Also i was able to get hold of the anavar powder fairly easily however getting injectables into the country would be a different story. Also from what i was reading 40mg was a decent dose and going any higher than that the side effects would start to out weigh the benefits. (I heard going above 40mg u start to see quite an increase in hpta suppression)
Do you guys think it would be wise to run a shorter cycle ( say 6 or 8 weeks) with a larger amount of anavar daily (50 or 60mg) or instead maybe run a shorter cycle with 40mg daily?? or is 10weeks a good length for the cycle??
Also regarding PCT ive heard many different opinions but is clomid or nolvadex better?? I read clomid has more side effects???
For PCT i was thinking of running
Weeks 1 -2 = Nolvadex 20mg ed
Weeks 3 -4 = Nolvadex 10mg ed
And also in my case since im doing an anavar only cycle will HCG be needed??
thanks heaps guys
07-01-2008, 12:54 AM
07-01-2008, 12:58 AM
7 weeks @ 50mg everyday should be a perfect dose and cycle length if running it alone
Clomid does have a lot of sides, enough where some people (including myself) wont take it. Nolvadex will be more than enough to recover from this cycle. If you are really worried about suppression i'd run 30/20/20/10.
DONT run letro... it is not needed at all!
HCG will not be needed at all
07-01-2008, 01:46 AM
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some info from a few studies on fat burning and reducing water retention effects of tren
07-01-2008, 06:10 AM
The reason I'm considering anavar only is b/c I am 41 and have a high bf and need to improve my diet. I don't want to get on what would be considered a body builder dose of even test prop until my diet is really dialed in. If I was going to low dose as hrt I would be less conflicted.
I think that I can harden up with var and loose a few/10 lbs on a var only cycle, while adding a few quality lean lbs of muscle.
If I was 23 my approach would be TOTALLY different.
I also need to better understand how both substances effect libido and sperm count, etc as I am trying to get the wife pregnant and that is a priority over a cycle at present. So any cycle that will interfere with that will be put on hold.
That is one of the main reasons I'm using lr3 igf and peg mgf at present.
07-01-2008, 04:07 PM
The reason im not running injectables is its very hard to get them into the country. i can easily get anavar powder but i would say trying to get in innjectables into nz there would be about a 95% chance they would be snapped by customs
Ive decided i will do as you guys said
Im going to run two cycles basically wanting to gain about 10lbs in muscle and lose about 4lbs in fat
heres what it will look like
Weeks 1-7 Anavar 50mg ED
Weeks 8-11 Nolvadex 30/20/20/10
Weeks 12-13 Liver Supps
Weeka 14-20 Anavar 50mg ED
weeks 21-24 Nolvadex 30/20/20/10
Weeks 25-26 Liver supps
Works out to be about 6 months so will be at my prime come summer time over here.
Are my goals fairly realistic and also is there anything else you guys reccomend??
07-07-2008, 07:36 PM
I dont think car will be too hard on the liver, but i'd take the liver supps while taking var ... it wont hurt the gains or anything - no need to take them after the cycle. Also, take some supps for cholesterol while taking var. Its the opposite here in America, hard to find var easy to find injects. Atleast around me!
supplement with fish oil as well, good luck
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