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    Hi everyone

    I am going to run an anavar only cycle. was able to get cheap bulk anavar powder. this will be my first cycle

    Im going to run 40mg ED (20mg twice daily)
    I am also going to run letrozole 1.25mg twice weekly to take care of any estrogen which may build up

    Im going to run it for ten weeks with the usual liver protectants etc.

    ONE QUESTION:
    Do i still need nolvadex for PCT as i wont have much estrogen from running letro on cycle

    Since i dont need nolvadex is there any PCT needed??

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    u still need PCT. 4 weeks of clomid should be fine, u just need to get your test restarted.
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    I'm running a 6wk cycle of var in about a week at 40mg. I was told not to run orals more than 6wks I might be wrong but don't you think 10wks is kinda long? This is also my first cycle
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    He should be fine with 10 weeks. its is a 17aa but the liver toxicity is overrated. There are much worse things that we put in our body's that we don't realize are much more toxic then oral steroids.

    Some people may respond differently though so blood work is always advised.
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    I wouldn't use the letro unless you have to. Var by itself will kill your sex drive, add in letro and even viagra won't be able to help you. 40mg is a very low dose, I don't usually respond to anything less than 80, but then again, that's how I am with everything. Var is only mildly toxic, so liver protection should not be a concern as long as you are not drinking. PCT will be necessary, but it won't take much to recover.
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    I didn't even see that you were going to run letro. Anavar does not aromatize no need for the letro. My lidibo was fine when i took var. Take 50mg of proviron ed just in case your worried about your libido crashing.
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    Var doesn't aromatize so there is no need for letro.
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    letro is not needed as people say. Anavar gets processed through the kidneys more so than the liver. It also does not seem to be a cholesterol killer like some of the other orals, possibly due to less action in the liver, not sure. A little policosinol throughtout the cycle would not hurt though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcp2 View Post
    letro is not needed as people say. Anavar gets processed through the kidneys more so than the liver. It also does not seem to be a cholesterol killer like some of the other orals, possibly due to less action in the liver, not sure. A little policosinol throughtout the cycle would not hurt though.
    What kind of gains are seen on 40 mgs of anavar on a first cycle?
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    Very little mass maybe 5lbs if your lucky, good strength gains tough. The mass you put on though is easily maintainable and the fat you lose from anavar is easy to keep off unlike other steroids/PH's/DS
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    anavar does not cause fat loss, no steroid does.
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    i did 80mg for 8 weeks and gained quality mass (i think it was about 8 lbs.) and I just looked great, all veiny and cut.

    It did screw up the libido for awhile though, i think it was blood pressure related
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    first thing i noticed is letro. Its not needed.

    2nd thing i noticed is 40mg ed is a low dose. How about 60?

    Var is mild, I think you could push to 8 weeks but nothing wrong with 6 especially for a first cycle. Suppression shouldn't be too bad so PCT should be a breeze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erokyrwrld View Post
    anavar does not cause fat loss, no steroid does.
    Actually you are wrong sir, anavar and tren are the only 2 steroids that have been proven to burn fat.
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    Proven?? Cite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by erokyrwrld View Post
    anavar does not cause fat loss, no steroid does.

    This is untrue. Anavar causes visceral fat loss. Thier are studies floating around to prove this, i don't feel like scouring the internet though. Tren most likely causes fat loss as well, though how has always seemed to be a guess at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erokyrwrld View Post
    Proven?? Cite?
    I really don't feel like searching for the studies done. If i have time later I will look. If you want google anavar fat loss or something along those lines and I'm sure you will find something.The above poster is correct it is visceral fat that is lost.
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    Lovejoy JC, Bray GA, Greeson CS, Klemperer M, Morris J, Partington C, Tulley R. Oral anabolic steroid treatment, but not parenteral androgen treatment, decreases abdominal fat in obese, older men. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1995;19(9):614-24.

    ABSTRACT

    OBJECTIVE: To compare the effects of testosterone enanthate (TE), anabolic steroid (AS) or placebo (PL) on regional fat distribution and health risk factors in obese middle-aged men undergoing weight loss by dietary means. DESIGN: Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial, carried out for 9 months with primary assessments at 3 month intervals. Due to adverse blood lipid changes, the AS group was switched from oral oxandrolone (ASOX) to parenteral nandrolone decaoate (ASND) after the 3 month assessment point. SUBJECTS: Thirty healthy, obese men, aged 40-60 years, with serum testosterone (T) levels in the low-normal range (2-5 ng/mL). MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Abdominal fat distribution and thigh muscle volume by CT scan, body composition by dual energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA), insulin sensitivity by the Minimal Model method, blood lipids, blood chemistry, blood pressure, thyroid hormones and urological parameters. RESULTS: After 3 months, there was a significantly greater decrease in subcutaneous (SQ) abdominal fat in the ASOX group compared to the TE and PL groups although body weight changes did not differ by treatment group. There was also a tendency for the ASOX group to exhibit greater losses in visceral fat, and the absolute level of visceral fat in this group was significantly lower at 3 months than in the TE and PL groups. There were significant main effects of treatment at 3 months on serum T and free T (increased in the TE group and decreased in the ASOX group) and on thyroid hormone parameters (T4 and T3 resin uptake significantly decreased in the ASOX group compared with the other two groups). There was a significant decrease in HDL-C, and increase in LDL-C in the ASOX group, which led to their being switched to the parenteral nandrolone decanoate (ASND) after 3 months. ASND had opposite effects on visceral fat from ASOX, producing a significant increase from 3 to 9 months while continuing to decrease SQ abdominal fat. ASND treatment also decreased thigh muscle area, while ASOX treatment increased high muscle. ASND reversed the effects of ASOX on lipoproteins and thyroid hormones. The previously reported effect of T to decrease visceral fat was not observed, in fact, visceral fat in the TE group increased slightly from 3 to 9 months, although SQ fat continued to decrease. Neither TE nor AS treatment resulted in any change in urologic parameters. CONCLUSIONS: Oral oxandrolone decreased SQ abdominal fat more than TE or weight loss alone and also tended to produce favorable changes in visceral fat. TE and ASND injections given every 2 weeks had similar effects to weight loss alone on regional body fat. Most of the beneficial effects observed on metabolic and cardiovascular risk factors were due to weight loss per se. These results suggest that SQ and visceral abdominal fat can be independently modulated by androgens and that at least some anabolic steroids are capable of influencing abdominal fat.



    Here's another:

    Schroeder ET, Zheng L, Ong MD, Martinez C, Flores C, Stewart Y, Azen C, Sattler FR. Effects of androgen therapy on adipose tissue and metabolism in older men. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004;89(10):4863-72.

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    We investigated the effects of oxandrolone on regional fat compartments and markers of metabolism. Thirty-two 60- to 87-yr-old men (body mass index, 28.1 +/- 3.4 kg/m(2)) were randomized to oxandrolone (20 mg/d; n = 20) or matching placebo (n = 12) treatment for 12 wk. Oxandrolone reduced total (-1.8 +/- 1.0 kg; P < 0.001), trunk (-1.2 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001), and appendicular (-0.6 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001) fat, as determined by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry. The changes in total and trunk fat were greater (P < 0.001) than the changes with placebo. By magnetic resonance imaging, visceral adipose tissue decreased (-20.9 +/- 12 cm(2); P < 0.001), abdominal sc adipose tissue (SAT) declined (-10.7 +/- 12.1 cm(2); P = 0.043), the ratio VAT/SAT declined from 0.57 +/- 0.23 to 0.49 +/- 0.19 (P = 0.002), and proximal and distal thigh SC fat declined [-8.3 +/- 6.7 cm(2) (P < 0.001) and -2.2 +/- 3.0 kg (P = 0.004), respectively]. Changes in proximal and distal thigh SC fat with oxandrolone were different than with placebo (P = 0.018 and P = 0.059). A marker of insulin sensitivity (quantitative insulin sensitivity check index) improved with oxandrolone by 0.0041 +/- 0.0071 (P = 0.018) at study wk 12. Changes in total fat, abdominal SAT, and proximal extremity SC fat were correlated with changes in fasting insulin from baseline to study wk 12 (r >or= 0.45; P < 0.05). Losses of total fat and SAT were greater in men with baseline testosterone of 10.4 nmol/liter or less (<or= 300 ng/dl) than in those with higher levels [-2.5 +/- 1.1 vs. -1.5 +/- 0.8 kg (P = 0.036) and -24.1 +/- 14.3 vs. -2.9 +/- 21.3 cm(2) (P = 0.03), respectively]. Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry scanning were sustained (P < 0.02). Androgen therapy, therefore, produced significant and durable reductions in regional abdominal and peripheral adipose tissue that were associated with improvements in estimates of insulin sensitivity. However, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol decreased by -0.49 +/- 0.21 mmol/liter and directly measured low-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.57 +/- 0.67 mmol/liter and non-high-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.54 +/- 0.97 mmol/liter (P < 0.03 for each) during treatment with oxandrolone; these changes were largely reversible. Thus, therapy with an androgen that does not adversely affect lipids may be beneficial for some components of the metabolic syndrome in overweight older men with low testosterone levels.
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    As said above, NO letro is needed.

    I personally would not run this cycle, your first cycle should be a good one and you should really consider running test with it. 2 shots a week for a total of 500mg ... you will not regret listening to me! I've only used HCG and novla for PCT and recovered fine ... I wont take clomid

    its also interesting that I am hearing people say take more than 40mg ... maybe because you plan to take it by itself? The usual dose for var is 25, 40, or 50mg's ... never really heard people advising to take more. Your liver really isn't the biggest concern while taking anavar, its your lipids etc you need to worry about
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    Color me surprised. I guess the UG powder from China really was crap because I never saw any fat loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erokyrwrld View Post
    Color me surprised. I guess the UG powder from China really was crap because I never saw any fat loss.
    honestly, what was your diet like and how many cals were you taking in? I heard var and tren can cut fat but havent researched them enough to care since i'm already lean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erokyrwrld View Post
    anavar does not cause fat loss, no steroid does.
    Isn't this dependent on ones age and natural test levels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakedamuus View Post
    Hi everyone

    I am going to run an anavar only cycle. was able to get cheap bulk anavar powder. this will be my first cycle

    Im going to run 40mg ED (20mg twice daily)
    I am also going to run letrozole 1.25mg twice weekly to take care of any estrogen which may build up

    Im going to run it for ten weeks with the usual liver protectants etc.

    ONE QUESTION:
    Do i still need nolvadex for PCT as i wont have much estrogen from running letro on cycle

    Since i dont need nolvadex is there any PCT needed??

    thanks
    Hey jakedamuus,

    I'm subscribing to your thread and will be following this. I have some anavar powder too which I have been sitting on for a few weeks. I need to improve my diet before starting a cycle so I don't wasted my time and money and have been debating running test prop with it but have more research to do on both substances, sides, pct protocol, etc.

    My understanding, although i am a newbie, is that an var cycle is ok by itself while other orals are not. Depends on your goals.

    Looking forward to updates in your thread!
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    My reasoning for using the letro was even though anavar doesnt aromatize through the feedback loop wont the rise in testosterone in turn cause a rise in estrogen. and i also read that letro alone can cause a significant rise in testosterone. However if you guys reckon it is wise i will ditch the letro.

    The reason im doing a anavar only cycle is for one from what i have read there are very little side effects. Also i was able to get hold of the anavar powder fairly easily however getting injectables into the country would be a different story. Also from what i was reading 40mg was a decent dose and going any higher than that the side effects would start to out weigh the benefits. (I heard going above 40mg u start to see quite an increase in hpta suppression)

    Do you guys think it would be wise to run a shorter cycle ( say 6 or 8 weeks) with a larger amount of anavar daily (50 or 60mg) or instead maybe run a shorter cycle with 40mg daily?? or is 10weeks a good length for the cycle??

    Also regarding PCT ive heard many different opinions but is clomid or nolvadex better?? I read clomid has more side effects???

    For PCT i was thinking of running
    Weeks 1 -2 = Nolvadex 20mg ed
    Weeks 3 -4 = Nolvadex 10mg ed


    And also in my case since im doing an anavar only cycle will HCG be needed??

    thanks heaps guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbie40plus View Post
    Hey jakedamuus,

    I'm subscribing to your thread and will be following this. I have some anavar powder too which I have been sitting on for a few weeks. I need to improve my diet before starting a cycle so I don't wasted my time and money and have been debating running test prop with it but have more research to do on both substances, sides, pct protocol, etc.

    My understanding, although i am a newbie, is that an var cycle is ok by itself while other orals are not. Depends on your goals.

    Looking forward to updates in your thread!
    It is OK, but is it worth it? NO ... unless you have a special situation where you CANT get a inject. Stacking with test will really improve this cycle ... IMO if you are scared of injecting your not ready to do steroids if that is the reason. A steroid cycle IMO should never just be an oral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakedamuus View Post
    Do you guys think it would be wise to run a shorter cycle ( say 6 or 8 weeks) with a larger amount of anavar daily (50 or 60mg) or instead maybe run a shorter cycle with 40mg daily?? or is 10weeks a good length for the cycle??

    Also regarding PCT ive heard many different opinions but is clomid or nolvadex better?? I read clomid has more side effects???

    For PCT i was thinking of running
    Weeks 1 -2 = Nolvadex 20mg ed
    Weeks 3 -4 = Nolvadex 10mg ed


    And also in my case since im doing an anavar only cycle will HCG be needed??

    thanks heaps guys
    Although I really want you to run test with this, I'll answer the above questions for you.

    7 weeks @ 50mg everyday should be a perfect dose and cycle length if running it alone

    Clomid does have a lot of sides, enough where some people (including myself) wont take it. Nolvadex will be more than enough to recover from this cycle. If you are really worried about suppression i'd run 30/20/20/10.

    DONT run letro... it is not needed at all!

    HCG will not be needed at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by erokyrwrld View Post
    Proven?? Cite?
    Highly androgenic steroids are appreciated for the effects they have on strength as well as changing the estrogen/androgen ratio, thus reducing water and under the skin. As if the report on trenbolone was not good enough, it gets better; Trenbolone is extraordinarily good as a fat loss agent. One reason for this is its powerful effect on nutrient partitioning (9). It is a little known fact is that androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(10), androgens act directly on the A.R in fat cells to affect fat burning.(11) the stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose tissue (fat)(11). Since some steroids even increase the numbers of A.R in muscle and fat (11, 12) this fat loss effect would be amplified with the concurrent use of other compounds, such as testosterone.

    J Anim Sci. 1992 Nov;70(11):3381-90.
    Am J Physiol. 1998 Jun;274(6 Pt 1):C1645-52.
    Biochim Biophys Acta. 1995 May 11;1244(1):117-20.
    J Appl. Physiol.94 1153-61 2003


    some info from a few studies on fat burning and reducing water retention effects of tren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic View Post
    It is OK, but is it worth it? NO ... unless you have a special situation where you CANT get a inject. Stacking with test will really improve this cycle ... IMO if you are scared of injecting your not ready to do steroids if that is the reason. A steroid cycle IMO should never just be an oral.
    No, I'm not afraid to inject. I inject lr3 igf bi-latterally EOD (I pin 2 sites in each muscle for 4 injects and also pin peg MGF 2x/week and am considering increasing that. I currently have a new thread in the igf forum looking for feedback on my proposed alteration to my injecting regimin.

    The reason I'm considering anavar only is b/c I am 41 and have a high bf and need to improve my diet. I don't want to get on what would be considered a body builder dose of even test prop until my diet is really dialed in. If I was going to low dose as hrt I would be less conflicted.

    I think that I can harden up with var and loose a few/10 lbs on a var only cycle, while adding a few quality lean lbs of muscle.

    If I was 23 my approach would be TOTALLY different.

    I also need to better understand how both substances effect libido and sperm count, etc as I am trying to get the wife pregnant and that is a priority over a cycle at present. So any cycle that will interfere with that will be put on hold.

    That is one of the main reasons I'm using lr3 igf and peg mgf at present.
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    The reason im not running injectables is its very hard to get them into the country. i can easily get anavar powder but i would say trying to get in innjectables into nz there would be about a 95% chance they would be snapped by customs

    Ive decided i will do as you guys said

    Im going to run two cycles basically wanting to gain about 10lbs in muscle and lose about 4lbs in fat

    heres what it will look like

    Weeks 1-7 Anavar 50mg ED
    Weeks 8-11 Nolvadex 30/20/20/10
    Weeks 12-13 Liver Supps
    Weeka 14-20 Anavar 50mg ED
    weeks 21-24 Nolvadex 30/20/20/10
    Weeks 25-26 Liver supps

    Works out to be about 6 months so will be at my prime come summer time over here.

    Are my goals fairly realistic and also is there anything else you guys reccomend??

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    I dont think car will be too hard on the liver, but i'd take the liver supps while taking var ... it wont hurt the gains or anything - no need to take them after the cycle. Also, take some supps for cholesterol while taking var. Its the opposite here in America, hard to find var easy to find injects. Atleast around me!

    supplement with fish oil as well, good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic View Post
    I dont think car will be too hard on the liver, but i'd take the liver supps while taking var ... it wont hurt the gains or anything - no need to take them after the cycle. Also, take some supps for cholesterol while taking var. Its the opposite here in America, hard to find var easy to find injects. Atleast around me!

    supplement with fish oil as well, good luck
    You are correct var is mostly metabolized through the kidneys.
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    are u gonna post results for this run?
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    he should, im wondering results as well. I'll be using var in my next cycle for the first time. I heard after 3 days you can already see vascularity along with new veins.... im sure this depends on BF however

    also, flax will help more with cholesterol levels than fish oil probably
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    Cool thanks for that guys. i always supplement with flax and fish oil. usually take about 3g flax 3g fish and about 400mg r-ala a day. ill probably bumpp that up while on cycle. im about 12%bf so not sure if ill see any huge veins popping out. im a classsic skinny-fat ectomorph haha. but yea ill do a report + photos to track my progress. going to be starting the cycle first week of august because im about to go away on holiday
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    what anvar for? isnt it a form of test?
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    Anavar (oxandrolone) is everyone’s favorite oral cutting anabolic steroid. It produces clean, high quality gains in strength, and a very distinct hardening effect on the physique of the user. Really, I have to say, I love this stuff, although I’ve only used it twice. The only drawback is that it’s a very expensive chemical to produce. It’s also not overly toxic despite being an oral steroid, it doesn’t produce many side effects at all, and is relatively mild on the natural endocrine system (for a steroid, that is). You’re not going to gain much, if any bodyweight from Anavar, but what you do gain will be very nice looking muscle, and little if any weight gain in the way of water.

    Unfortunately, it needs to be dosed rather highly if it’s being used alone (which I don’t recommend). Even daily doses of up to 80mgs/day don’t cause many side effects. (1) This makes it very popular, and I suspect we would barely see a cycle without it, if it were less expensive. For precontest bodybuilding preparation and athletes looking to remain in a particular weight class while still moving up in strength, Anavar is typically drug of choice. Despite the need for relatively high doses, it would seem that gains from Anavar hang around for awhile, or at for at least 6 months after you stop taking it(2).

    It’s used clinically for AIDS related wasting(1) and even in recovery routines for burn victims (2). It’s often the only drug used precontest for female figure and fitness competitors. This is due to the fact that virilization is not much of a concern with it, as it is only very mildly androgenic (3), and highly anabolic. Men almost never report side effects from it, and in women, the most commonly reported side effect is a temporarily enlarged clitoris (called “var-clit” in locker room slang).

    Since it is an orally modified version of Dihydrotestosterone (DHT), it has been modified in such a way to allow it to survive first pass metabolism through the liver. Despite this fact, it is very rare that hepatotoxic (liver toxic) side effects are ever noticed and/or reported. Also, since it is a derivative of DHT, it is structurally incapable of converting to estrogen, so users who may be sensitive to gynocomastia or water retention don’t really have to worry about that problem arising.

    With regards to its use in a precontest phase or a cutting cycle, it seems to have profound effects on both abdominal and visceral fat elimination. (4) This certainly makes it very useful for anyone interested in competing in bodybuilding, staying in a weight class, or even just looking good for beach season. It’s certainly got a well deserved reputation for helping people achieve all of those goals.

    Anavar is widely available on the black market, but prices fluctuate widely, as does presentation. Several pharmaceutical houses produce it in tablet form, as do a couple of veterinary companies. In the underground, it’s available mostly in liquid oral form and capsules, and of course as a high quality paper anabolic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeymutz View Post
    Anavar (oxandrolone) is everyoneís favorite oral cutting anabolic steroid. It produces clean, high quality gains in strength, and a very distinct hardening effect on the physique of the user. Really, I have to say, I love this stuff, although Iíve only used it twice. The only drawback is that itís a very expensive chemical to produce. Itís also not overly toxic despite being an oral steroid, it doesnít produce many side effects at all, and is relatively mild on the natural endocrine system (for a steroid, that is). Youíre not going to gain much, if any bodyweight from Anavar, but what you do gain will be very nice looking muscle, and little if any weight gain in the way of water.

    Unfortunately, it needs to be dosed rather highly if itís being used alone (which I donít recommend). Even daily doses of up to 80mgs/day donít cause many side effects. (1) This makes it very popular, and I suspect we would barely see a cycle without it, if it were less expensive. For precontest bodybuilding preparation and athletes looking to remain in a particular weight class while still moving up in strength, Anavar is typically drug of choice. Despite the need for relatively high doses, it would seem that gains from Anavar hang around for awhile, or at for at least 6 months after you stop taking it(2).

    Itís used clinically for AIDS related wasting(1) and even in recovery routines for burn victims (2). Itís often the only drug used precontest for female figure and fitness competitors. This is due to the fact that virilization is not much of a concern with it, as it is only very mildly androgenic (3), and highly anabolic. Men almost never report side effects from it, and in women, the most commonly reported side effect is a temporarily enlarged clitoris (called ďvar-clitĒ in locker room slang).

    Since it is an orally modified version of Dihydrotestosterone (DHT), it has been modified in such a way to allow it to survive first pass metabolism through the liver. Despite this fact, it is very rare that hepatotoxic (liver toxic) side effects are ever noticed and/or reported. Also, since it is a derivative of DHT, it is structurally incapable of converting to estrogen, so users who may be sensitive to gynocomastia or water retention donít really have to worry about that problem arising.

    With regards to its use in a precontest phase or a cutting cycle, it seems to have profound effects on both abdominal and visceral fat elimination. (4) This certainly makes it very useful for anyone interested in competing in bodybuilding, staying in a weight class, or even just looking good for beach season. Itís certainly got a well deserved reputation for helping people achieve all of those goals.

    Anavar is widely available on the black market, but prices fluctuate widely, as does presentation. Several pharmaceutical houses produce it in tablet form, as do a couple of veterinary companies. In the underground, itís available mostly in liquid oral form and capsules, and of course as a high quality paper anabolic.

    That's gotten me all exited lol.
  

  
 

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