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is there any documentation to prove that taking steriods will make you sterile?
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Anabolic steroids have numerous effects on the body. The reproductive effects are seen in men by a dose dependent suppression of FSH and LH leading to suppression of the hypothalamic-pituitary axis (hypogonadotropic hypogonadism). Both LH and FSH are required for spermatogenesis. This results in decreased sperm counts, decreased motility, abnormal morphology, and testicular atrophy. It is possible that the elevated androgens also act suppressive locally in the testes. All of these were seen with this patient. It is important to discuss with the patient some of the other effects of anabolic steroids, as they may directly affect his health (2). Orally taken anabolic steroids, typically the C-17 alkylated anabolic steroids (methyltestosterone, metandienone, oxymetholone, oxandrolone, and stanozolol) are associated with liver toxicity and elevations in liver enzymes. These generally return to normal after the drug is discontinued. Serum lipid profiles may be altered which include increases in LDL and decreases in HDL. The increase in LDL may be associated with an increased potential for atherosclerosis. Blood pressure may increase due to increased fluid retention and volume retention. It is reasonable to assess the liver function, hepatic and cardiovascular function of the patient.
The reproductive effects of anabolic steroids are not permanent and may reverse with discontinuation of the medication. Gazvani et al (4) reported on the conservative management of azoospermia following anabolic steroid abuse in a case report of 4 men. The time from discontinuation to normal semen parameters ranged from 5 to 18 months. Thus, much variability existed. Turek et al (5) reported on a single case where the azoospermic male discontinued all anabolic steroids and began a regimen of trice weekly HCG injections (2000 IU) for 1 month followed by 3000 IU trice weekly for 3 additional months. The wife became pregnant by 3 months of therapy and the semen parameters normalized. It is of interest that a testis biopsy was performed which showed presence of all germinal precursor cells except mature spermatozoa indicating maturation arrest pattern. Pena et a (6) found that anabolic steroid induced azoospermia reversed 3 months after discontinuation in an HIV infected man undergoing IVF, again showing the variability of the return to normal spermatogenesis. With respect to the couple seeking care, several of the cases did return to normal semen parameters within 6 months. His unfortunately did not. The study using HCG injections and one published by Menon (7) where HCG and hMG injections were used resulted in pregnancy within a reasonable amount of time (3 and 7 months, respectively) without resorting to ART. Thus medical management should be suggested as least invasive approach.
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are you kidding? thats sort of fundamental to how they work. TRT is being researched as male birth control. Any anabolic dose of exogenous hormones will result in suppression, to some degree, of FSH, which is what makes sperm. 100% effective? no, but it makes conception a lot less likely.is there any documentation to prove that taking steriods will make you sterile?
MENT is being researched as a male birth control....I doubt many TRT protocols include MENT.are you kidding? thats sort of fundamental to how they work. TRT is being researched as male birth control. Any anabolic dose of exogenous hormones will result in suppression, to some degree, of FSH, which is what makes sperm. 100% effective? no, but it makes conception a lot less likely.
I'll have to. That sounds extremely sketchy though. Any kid could go into the doc and say they are fvckin like a bunny rabbit and need prescribed birth control (test please!).I cant remember who the clinicals are going through, but test is being researched as a male birth control. So you can look that up.
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Yeah... why it is in trials. Trying to find a constitutint that suppresses the body to just halt spermatogenesis. This is only the first step, extracting components and hormone markers is what will come next.I'll have to. That sounds extremely sketchy though. Any kid could go into the doc and say they are fvckin like a bunny rabbit and need prescribed birth control (test please!).
Not to mention its VERY common for heavy cyclers to get their ladies prego on cycle.
More inconclusive discussion:
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=33341&hl=birth+control
it is being done. I remember one clinical trial showing odd skews based on race. Something like 90% of Asian Americans were clinically sterile, but only 60% of Caucasian's. I forget the dose, but its still being played with. Also, I doubt that it will be such an abnormal dose that you will get much bigger off of it. The link you provided even showed some trials using the Plan B (levonorgestral) drug and test (as an androgen replacement) to cause suppression of spermogenesis.I'll have to. That sounds extremely sketchy though. Any kid could go into the doc and say they are fvckin like a bunny rabbit and need prescribed birth control (test please!).
Yes it seems as thought it will have to be some combination of drugs. And like dadams said an implant or doc admined procedure.it is being done. I remember one clinical trial showing odd skews based on race. Something like 90% of Asian Americans were clinically sterile, but only 60% of Caucasian's. I forget the dose, but its still being played with. Also, I doubt that it will be such an abnormal dose that you will get much bigger off of it. The link you provided even showed some trials using the Plan B (levonorgestral) drug and test (as an androgen replacement) to cause suppression of spermogenesis.
Wow, what an ignorant statement. Birth defects from certain substances are known throughout history, the most serious of which was due to thalidomide, prescribed to pregnant women to help them sleep. These drugs have nothing to do with DNA alteration. Birth defects are either congenital (genetic), caused by toxins present in the mother during gestation, or caused by some outside trauma.Probably more from some type of DNA alterations occuring. I believe there was something that was written about doping Olympic athletes having defected offspring.
Small population with relatively insignificant consequences IMO.
Good post. I have a friend that got his wife prego twice while on a Test cycle.In brief, with test being used as a BC method..it has to be administered precisely. Male test production has a monthly cycle not unlike female hormone production. It is the increase and subsequent decrease in test that helps to trigger spermatogensis. What the BC method attempts to do is to keep your test levels at the higher steady state with no decrease to signal spermatogenesis.
Due to the fairly precise administration times and bloodwork monitoring that has to be done with test BC, it's extremely unlikely that the average user on the street would achieve the same results and, as we have seen in this community, numerous users of AAS have gotten their significant others pregnant while on or even during PCT..self included. Most of the other "reproductive impacts" that occur due to AAS use/abuse are reversible.