- 06-19-2008, 11:35 PM
- 06-20-2008, 10:24 AM
I think you can go either way my advice is always to start lower and up the dose to make sure you tolerate the compound ok best of luck
- 06-20-2008, 01:25 PM
Thank you I think I will be trying your intra cycle product during my next 4 week cycle I do. Thanks for the help. I will dtart slow on the 30mg.
06-20-2008, 03:47 PM
06-20-2008, 04:45 PM
I'd say 1 week at 30 should be fine as far as assessing your reaction to it. In other words i'd do this:
06-20-2008, 06:02 PM
I want to do a sick stack to help put on lean size while dieting would spawn an extreme tren be good or is that 2 much I dnt want to get gyno! Maybe spawn and something like winadrol? Can anyone help
06-20-2008, 07:05 PM
06-20-2008, 07:39 PM
X2 thats why I'm trying trenadrol cause Im changin my workout regiment for size/strength not lean muscle gains.
Thanks dkkon1 I'll try that. I'll def keep a log when I start. Should I stop taking my pre-workout (dominate by pride nutrition) during the cycle because its a stimulant?
06-20-2008, 07:45 PM
Right now I'm going into day 6 of my trenadrol/M-drol cycle. I've lowered my trenadrol dose, but one thing is for sure, the strength gains on this thing are un-freaking-real. I always take it about an hour pre-workout, and by the time Im ready to hit the weights, I feel like I can lift a car. It's definitely a passing rush, that peaks right after I take the dose and kinda wanes enough at night that I can sleep. If I weren't limiting myself to a certain amount of sets or weight, I could see how someone could really hurt themselves by pushing themselves too far. I've definitely learned not to drink ANY caffeine with this because of the scary situation yesterday.
06-20-2008, 07:48 PM
I would avoid all stimulants whilst on trenadrol. A lot of people get weird sides on this compound (whatever it is ). People say stimulants tend to make them feel real lighthead and dizzy like they are about to faint. Trenadrol seems to effect CNS function.
Expect weird ass dreams, jitters and sweats, and mad strength gains and hardening according to my research on this compound (a fair amount). Jeez its starting to sound like the real tren
If you log it shoot me a PM, i'm interested to follow along
06-20-2008, 07:50 PM
06-20-2008, 07:53 PM
tnick: Def won't stay with the pre-workout. I'm bulking right now and it's going well gained about 2lbs in the past week or so. Doing a weight gainer at night and a lot of meat. I am doing a complete log on three lifts: bar curls, flat bench, and squats. I should be starting out this week (hopefully) I'm working a lot so I should be eating a high protein diet (aka proetin bars, shakes, etc) and some fat in there with my doses. Got my PCT straightened away (6-oxo w ZMA & Trib for 2 weeks 600,600 then Novedex XT for the following two weeks + elderberry extract for BP, milk thistle for liver support, and lean extreme for cortisol)
I'm at about 8.5-9% bf right now so hopefully I stay around that
06-20-2008, 07:56 PM
06-20-2008, 08:40 PM
haha I can't wait to start it.
06-20-2008, 08:48 PM
06-20-2008, 08:57 PM
06-20-2008, 09:06 PM
Yeah I suppose it depends on gaols, as for mass there's no comparison. Dienolone(s) seem best for recomp, mostly every log/review I've seen yielded 4-7 lbs of muscle whereas with Dbol you can expect 3-4x this.
06-20-2008, 09:54 PM
06-20-2008, 10:27 PM
06-21-2008, 03:46 AM
Trenadrol isn't the same as Xtreme Tren etc. Kilo haven't been very honest about it tbh. They label it 17b-methoxy-trienbolone, they told me in an email its actually Estra 4,9. PA tested it, he said there was no Estra 4,9 in it. It had an MW of 270 (same as Trenbolone) but the other mins/max's didn't match up to Trenbolone. Someone who knows what it is but can't say because they are a rep for a ***** company said it is not methylated (as there were guesses it had a low dose of methyltrienolone in it due to its characteristics being very similar). However they did say it had a methoxy bond attached to it, and it could cause prolactin induced gyno. They also said the nomenclature is not totally off.
So we have:
- MW = 270, but not regular tren
- Not methylated, but a methoxy bond
- Can cause prolactin inuced gyno
- 17b-methoxy-trienbolone isn't completely wrong
For those that are chemically inclined, could you have a structural modification on methyltrienolone, perhaps trienolone with a methoxy bond attached. Is this possible?
06-21-2008, 04:50 PM
I know PA tested Methoxy-TRN in the past and mentioned what you're saying above in regards to its MW, but I haven't seen his tests on Trenadrol. Can you post the link to the test? I heard that a Kilo rep recently admitted it was Dienolone but am not sure on which board. The company originally stated the dose was 3mg, which would be along the same lines as Methoxy-TRN, but the bottle says 30mg as does all the ads now, wich would be standard Dienolone doses.
06-22-2008, 02:45 PM
I will try and find the link. I think it was on bb. Also there is a link where the owner of Kilosports daughter confirms that Trenadrol definitely contains a methyl, will try and find that as well. I emailed Kilo 3 times, and they finally got back saying its Estra 4,9. I asked if it will be banned they say it will be pulled 3 months after the ban...
TBH I am convinced its not the same a the dienoolone precursors, just acts way to differently. Will check for those links
06-22-2008, 02:47 PM
Ok found the daughters, quote. It was on DA, can I post the link or shoot you a PM???
06-22-2008, 03:06 PM
06-22-2008, 03:21 PM
PM sent, I have read anyway that 17b-methoxy-trienbolone isn't even a logical nomenclature, and IMO trenadrol looks great, like one of the best designers even but I would feel a bit iffy about using it considering I dont know what it is. I'm going to respond to the email Kilo sent me asking if it is indeed Estra 4,9 why is it not labelled Estra 4,9, doubt I will get a reply
06-22-2008, 03:49 PM
His values went up more from his Trenadrol cycle than they did from his previous Halodrol cycle. The one thread where PA says when tested, it 'closely resembled Estra-4,9 (dienolone)' compounds makes me wonder if it could be the Methyl Dienolone, which is maybe why they're hiding the info. But who knows, just more speculation on my part.
06-22-2008, 04:04 PM
06-22-2008, 05:13 PM
I wish I could add something more. I've speculated a lot about what this is over at bb.com. TBH, I'm not sure I trust what the daughter of the owners said, but she's probably the source "closest" to this.
I'm not completely sure, but from what I can gather, I think Bruce K. had something to do with the development of this compound, and so there's reason to believe that it may be something along the lines of m-dien (his development), but possibly 4-OH-m-dien or something like that, as there's some posts that correspond to around the time trenadrol came out where he was discussing some things he was trying to get hold of.
I also don't think that you can expect the company to tell you what the real compound is by e-mail. If they aren't willing to clearly label it and explain it on the forums, then they certainly aren't going to e-mail you about it (unless they made you sign some sort of non-disclosure agreement...but how binding could that be over a possible less-than-legal compound, lol).
06-25-2008, 03:57 AM
So if it is methyl-dienolone...how toxic would this be to the liver compared to say...Superdrol?
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