Coming Off Anavar Cycle - AnabolicMinds.com

Coming Off Anavar Cycle

Page 1 of 2 12 Last
  1. carey
    Guest
    carey's Avatar

    Coming Off Anavar Cycle


    I am ending a cycle of anavar, I don't want to lose any (or much) muscle, any ideas as to what I should take?

    Thanks...................

  2. Advanced Member
    Jarconis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Age
    32
    Posts
    765
    Rep Power
    527

    Reputation

    haha, a lil late now for this...
  3. IBE Representative
    JBlaze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    31
    Posts
    2,557
    Rep Power
    8453

    Reputation

    clomid at least. Do a search, i'm assuming you can get it, if not get some liquid-clomid.
    •   
       

  4. IBE Representative
    JBlaze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    31
    Posts
    2,557
    Rep Power
    8453

    Reputation

    Originally posted by Jarconis
    haha, a lil late now for this...
    heh, it may not be! he may mean he's coming off in another 9 weeks and while he did not have the meds before hand, he knew he had plenty of time to prepare for his post cycle before hand.
  5. carey
    Guest
    carey's Avatar

    I have liquid clen, Liquid Nolva and Liquid T-3 on hand right now, is this sufficient?
  6. IBE Representative
    JBlaze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    31
    Posts
    2,557
    Rep Power
    8453

    Reputation

    don't use liquid t-3, that'll make u lose muscle. you can use liquid nolva, and possibly clen if u want to keep the fat off but after an anavar cycle, i wouldn't.

    do some research, seriously you need to use the search button and learn about the products you have and their uses.
  7. New Member
    HUGE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Age
    42
    Posts
    262
    Rep Power
    276

    Reputation

    What moron gave you that advice?

    Clen and T3 are for cutting, the Nolva will bring back your test levels.  The thing about T3 you need to be careful about is that it might cause muscle loss, so it might be best saved until your next cylce. Clen can help keep the fat off too, and will not cause any muscle loss.
  8. IBE Representative
    JBlaze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    31
    Posts
    2,557
    Rep Power
    8453

    Reputation

    Originally posted by HUGE
    What moron gave you that advice?
    lol huge, i like that.
  9. Professional Member
    size's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    42
    Posts
    4,232
    Rep Power
    2267

    Reputation

    Anavar will suppress HPTA. Nolva should be used the day after you last tab used.
  10. New Member
    Blatalian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Age
    34
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    221

    Reputation

    Anavar will suppress HPTA. Nolva should be used the day after you last tab used.
    I'm gonna have to disagree with you size.... Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Straight from BigCat's mouth:

    Oxandrolone also has little effect on the body's own natural hormone production. The negative feedback was found to be very minor, meaning that during short term use no suppression of Gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH, start of natural testosterone production) was noted. This meant that whatever gains made, as little as they may have been, were very easily maintained post-cycle. So there was also no use for products like Clomid or Nolvadex in conjunction with oxandrolone consumption.

    Note: Oxandrolone is Anavar

    A little reasearch would do you well Carey. Aftreall, your health is at stake.
  11. New Member
    TheTom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    39
    Posts
    297
    Rep Power
    290

    Reputation

    That's for SHORT TERM USE. Not only that, but BIGCAT doesn't specify what SHORT TERM USE is.

    For all we know, what BIGCAT considers SHORT TERM USE, could be 1 week.

    There's just not enough details.

    Anavar will supress HPTA. The longer you use it and the higher dose you use, the more supression there will be.

    Not only that but, BIGCAT has already admitted that he's made mistakes or "errors in judgement" in his older articles.
  12. Elite Member
    Matthew D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Posts
    5,014
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Any good scientists will admit when they are wrong or things didn't work the way they thought they would.
  13. New Member
    MA$$BUILDER's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  219 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Age
    32
    Posts
    71
    Rep Power
    179

    Reputation

    Wait 9 hours or so after your last tab, then begin 20 mg nolva in the morning and 50mg of clomid before bed. You shouldnt be shut down to hard, so most likely you wont lose much.
  14. New Member
    Blatalian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Age
    34
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    221

    Reputation

    That's for SHORT TERM USE. Not only that, but BIGCAT doesn't specify what SHORT TERM USE is.

    For all we know, what BIGCAT considers SHORT TERM USE, could be 1 week.

    There's just not enough details.

    Anavar will supress HPTA. The longer you use it and the higher dose you use, the more supression there will be.

    Not only that but, BIGCAT has already admitted that he's made mistakes or "errors in judgement" in his older articles.

    Okay.. Calm down killa.
    In the event that BigCat is wrong, I've found this information on AnabolicRevew:

    The third reason which speaks well for an intake of Oxandrolone is that even in a very high dosage this compound does not influence the body's own testosterone production. To make this clear: Oxandrolone does not suppress the body's own hormone production. The reason is that it does not have a negative feedback mechanism on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis, meaning that during the intake of Oxandrolone, unlike during the intake of most anabolic steroids, the testes signal the hypothalamus not to reduce or to stop the release of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) and LHRH Luteinizing hormone releasing hormone). This special feature of Oxandrolone can be explained by the fact that the substance is not converted into estrogen Oxandrolone (Anavar), when given to normal men in high doses does not reduce the seminal volume or count, nor can it be converted (aromatized) into estrogen.
  15. New Member
    TheTom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    39
    Posts
    297
    Rep Power
    290

    Reputation

    That is 100% complete BS.

    Look closely how he explains his "THEORY"

    It will not be supressive because it does not aromatize? That is just as rediculous as it gets.

    methyl-1-test doesn't aromatize, trenbolone doesn't aromatize, winstrol doesn't aromatize.

    These things are all supressive, so why not anavar?
  16. New Member
    Blatalian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Age
    34
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    221

    Reputation

    These things are all supressive, so why not anavar?
    I don't know bro. The topic of discussion is anavar though. Each drug is different and reacts differently in the body.

    But... If I was to give it a good guess (Or go to the page and actually read the material) I'd give you the following answer found at anabolicreview:

    The reason is that it does not have a negative feedback mechanism on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis, meaning that during the intake of Oxandrolone, unlike during the intake of most anabolic steroids, the testes signal the hypothalamus not to reduce or to stop the release of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) and LHRH Luteinizing hormone releasing hormone)
    If you have a problem with him or what he says then debate the matter with him.

    What I do, is gather information for my own personal use. I've chosen to share this info because I think it might be beneficial to someone who is interested.

    If you or someone else can prove his "THEORY" wrong then please do so... it will save me problems in the future! Otherwise there is no reason to discount his "THEORY".

    Thus far I haven't seen you prove your point TheTom.... No quotes and No referrences. Yet you've still managed to get 'hot-headed' with me, and I've proposed two separate and independent sources proving you WRONG
  17. New Member
    TheTom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    39
    Posts
    297
    Rep Power
    290

    Reputation

    How am I being hotheaded with you?

    Blatalian I never directly OR even indirectly insulted you once.

    I called HIS theory BS.

    I HAVEN'T EVEN REFERRED TO YOU OR ACKNOWLEDGED YOU ONCE AT ANY POINT IN ANY OF MY POSTS IN THIS THREAD!

    ----------------------

    I'm not here to debate anything or insult anyone.

    AND, I don't need ANY references when I state this sentence

    "he believes Anavar will not be supressive because it doesn't aromatize"

    it's just nonsensical
  18. New Member
    Blatalian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Age
    34
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    221

    Reputation

    That is 100% complete BS
    I take that personally, as if you were referring to me and what I had to say.

    Why would I post something that was BS?

    And if it is BS prove it. That's the only way anyone will gain anything from this discussion.
  19. Banned
    John Benz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Posts
    520
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Originally posted by TheTom
    That's for SHORT TERM USE. Not only that, but BIGCAT doesn't specify what SHORT TERM USE is.

    For all we know, what BIGCAT considers SHORT TERM USE, could be 1 week.

    There's just not enough details.
    Plenty of detail here. You have to presume Big Cat was talking about normal "short" cycles, not abnormal ones, 1 week in duration. Let's be serious.
    Originally posted by TheTom
    Anavar will supress HPTA. The longer you use it and the higher dose you use, the more supression there will be.

    Not only that but, BIGCAT has already admitted that he's made mistakes or "errors in judgement" in his older articles.
    Not many and not often. Big Cat's mistakes are mostly on pro-hormones. They were new. But his steroid profiles are as good as they come.
  20. Elite Member
    Matthew D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Posts
    5,014
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Actually B he does make some valid points about tren, and others that don't automatize.. from experience some of those are the most suppressive of the bunch... which could be used to draw a conclusion about var... but all of us might want to use the search link at the bottom..
  21. New Member
    Blatalian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Age
    34
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    221

    Reputation

    "he believes Anavar will not be supressive because it doesn't aromatize"
    Where did you get this from TheTom? Did you bother to read the article before you called it BS? Look up above..

    That is not his reasoning behind anavar not being supressive.
  22. New Member
    TheTom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    39
    Posts
    297
    Rep Power
    290

    Reputation

    Copy+Pasted from above

    This special feature of Oxandrolone can be explained by the fact that the substance is not converted into estrogen Oxandrolone (Anavar),
  23. New Member
    Blatalian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Age
    34
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    221

    Reputation

    Does that mean that you should disregard everything else the man has to say?

    But lets just say you're right...Prove it. You must have a link in mind since you feel so strongly about it... post it.
    Unless you're basing your conclusion strictly on your opinion that shouldn't be a problem.

    By the way has anyone actually taken anavar? What were you're results.

    *Maybe this will answer some questions!*
  24. Elite Member
    Matthew D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Posts
    5,014
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Well I could get someone over here but I don't think she would be able to help on the suppression much
  25. New Member
    TheTom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    39
    Posts
    297
    Rep Power
    290

    Reputation

    Why do I need links and references to prove such a simple point?

    It's a known FACT, that Trenbolone, Winstrol, Methyl-1-test, Masteron, etc etc etc DON'T aromatize and WILL suppress you!

    If you need references to prove this, then sorry I don't have any. Just ask anybody on this board and they will agree.
  26. New Member
    Blatalian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Age
    34
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    221

    Reputation

    It's a known FACT, that Trenbolone, Winstrol, Methyl-1-test, Masteron, etc etc etc DON'T aromatize and WILL suppress you!

    Since when did this topic turn to the above?

    Why are you confusing anavar with other AAS's? They're not spelled similarly, they're not of the same chemical compounds, in fact the only thing that they have in common are that they are all steroids and anavar is MUCH milder than any of them. For you to say that, simply because anavar does not aromatize, it is in the same category with Trenbolone, Winstrol, Methyl-1test, and Masteron is an unproved generalization.

    .
    If you need references to prove this, then sorry I don't have any
    Generally, from what I've seen on this board, the only way to solidly come to a conclusion is by HARD evidence.... not opinion.

    Bro... you're totally missing the point... Unless you can prove that ANAVAR is supressive there's nothing else to discuss.

    Once again... If anyone has taken anavar, can you share your experiences with the board? How about you carey.. did you experience any supressive symptoms?
    Last edited by Blatalian; 10-19-2003 at 02:29 PM.
  27. Elite Member
    Matthew D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Posts
    5,014
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Yes you need to stick with topic of Anavar and PLEASE WATCH THE TONE starting to look like you are getting a little worked up.. we are all here to learn
  28. Professional Member
    size's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    42
    Posts
    4,232
    Rep Power
    2267

    Reputation

    HPTA suppression does occur when using anavar. I have seen bllod work to show me this. If you do not believe me then do not.

    However, keep in mind that medical dosages of anavar are 2.5mg-10mg and HPTA suppression is not a major concern but rather slowing atrophy is of concern.

    Typical anavar dosages for a bber is 30-60mg. At these levels suppression occurs. Take post cycle meds
  29. New Member
    iamcdn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    47
    Rep Power
    160

    Reputation

    Originally posted by size
    HPTA suppression does occur when using anavar. I have seen bllod work to show me this. If you do not believe me then do not.

    However, keep in mind that medical dosages of anavar are 2.5mg-10mg and HPTA suppression is not a major concern but rather slowing atrophy is of concern.

    Typical anavar dosages for a bber is 30-60mg. At these levels suppression occurs. Take post cycle meds
    thats what ive read myself, and thats what makes sense to me. know a couple bros who took it at 40 and 50 mg daily and they were shut down


    id take pct just in case anyways
  30. New Member
    Blatalian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Age
    34
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    221

    Reputation

    Yes Bro's...
    I must now agree, although every description of the drug I've read says that it is not supressive, that evidence does point to the fact that Anavar does supress natural test production.
    Post Cycle Therapy is strongly recommended.
  31. Professional Member
    size's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    42
    Posts
    4,232
    Rep Power
    2267

    Reputation

    Here is evidence :


    Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1997 Feb;46(2):209-16. Related Articles, Links


    Effect of low dose oxandrolone and testosterone treatment on the pituitary-testicular and GH axes in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty.

    Crowne EC, Wallace WH, Moore C, Mitchell R, Robertson WH, Holly JM, Shalet SM.

    Department of Endocrinology, Christie Hospital Trust, Manchester, UK.

    OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low dose oxandrolone and testosterone on the pituitary-testicular and GH-IGF-I axes. DESIGN: Prospective double-blind placebo-controlled trial. PATIENTS: Sixteen boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP) with testicular volumes 4-6 ml were randomized to 3 months treatment: Group 1 (n = 5), daily placebo: Group 2 (n = 5), 2.5 mg oxandrolone daily or Group 3 (n = 6), 50 mg testosterone monthly intramuscular injections with assessment (growth, pubertal development and overnight hormone profiles) at 0, 3, 6 and 12 months. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: LH and GH profiles (15-minute samples) were analysed by peak detection (Pulsar), Fourier transformation and autocorrelation. Testosterone levels were measured hourly and insulin, SHBG, IGF-I, and IGFBP-3 levels at 0800 h. Statistical analysis was by multivariate analysis of variance for repeated measures. RESULTS: LH and testosterone parameters increased significantly with time in all 16 (LH AUC, P < 0.001; peak amplitude, P = 0.02; number of peaks, P = 0.02; testosterone AUC, P = 0.02; morning testosterone, P = 0.002). In Group 2, however, LH and testosterone parameters decreased at 3 months followed by a rebound increase at 6 and 12 months. SHBG levels were markedly reduced at 3 months (P = 0.006) and a wider range of dominant GH frequencies was present although GH AUC was not increased until 6 months, with an increase in GH pulse frequency but not amplitude. IGF-I levels were increased at both 3 and 12 months. In Group 3, pituitary-testicular suppression was not apparent, but GH levels increased with an increase in GH amplitude at 3 and 12 months. CONCLUSION: Oxandrolone transiently suppressed the pituitary-testicular axis and altered GH pulsatility. Testosterone increased GH via amplitude modulation.
  32. Professional Member
    size's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    42
    Posts
    4,232
    Rep Power
    2267

    Reputation
  33. New Member
    zenmonky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    4
    Rep Power
    138

    Reputation

    getting out of a outdoor pool on a cold day will lower hpta. the dudes claiming you need nolv or clomid probably have never done oxandrolone.
  34. Professional Member
    size's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    42
    Posts
    4,232
    Rep Power
    2267

    Reputation

    Originally posted by zenmonky
    getting out of a outdoor pool on a cold day will lower hpta. the dudes claiming you need nolv or clomid probably have never done oxandrolone.
    Very wrong. To each his own.
  35. Elite Member
    Matthew D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Posts
    5,014
    Rep Power
    0

    Reputation

    Gee zenmonkey you seem to know a ton of information about this Not really
  36. I am faster than 80% of all snakes
    Dwight Schrute's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  221 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Age
    41
    Posts
    12,911
    Rep Power
    7016

    Reputation

    Anavar not suppressive? LMAO


    Glad I missed this one.
    For answers to board issues, read the Suggestion and News forum at the bottom of the main page.
  37. Professional Member
    size's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    42
    Posts
    4,232
    Rep Power
    2267

    Reputation

    Originally posted by Bobo
    Anavar not suppressive? LMAO

    Glad I missed this one.
    Many people believe that it is not suppressive. It seems to be a bodybuilding myth.

    Simply rule in my opinion, if it works, it is supressive.
  38. New Member
    Blatalian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Age
    34
    Posts
    172
    Rep Power
    221

    Reputation

    Although I now agree that evidence does show Anavar to supress natural test production... This being a considered a bodybuilding myth isn't accurate- Many sites claim this (that Anavar is not supressive)to be fact.

    Most bros that do any amount of research will come across the same drug descriptions that I have... and these articles describe anavar as NOT being supressive. (If you don't believe me check out BigCat's Steroid description and also anabolicreview.com)

    I'm not trying to kick up any dust... but it is an honest and reasonable conclusion that people come to.
  39. Professional Member
    size's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Age
    42
    Posts
    4,232
    Rep Power
    2267

    Reputation

    Originally posted by Blatalian
    Although I now agree that evidence does show Anavar to supress natural test production... This being a considered a bodybuilding myth isn't accurate- Many sites claim this (that Anavar is not supressive)to be fact.

    Most bros that do any amount of research will come across the same drug descriptions that I have... and these articles describe anavar as NOT being supressive. (If you don't believe me check out BigCat's Steroid description and also anabolicreview.com)

    I'm not trying to kick up any dust... but it is an honest and reasonable conclusion that people come to.
    I know this and understand your point. However, there are lots of websites that claim the Loch Ness monster is real also but really it is just a myth.

    Big Cat is wrong on this. I have read that profile before and it is a mistake on his part.
  40. I am faster than 80% of all snakes
    Dwight Schrute's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  221 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Age
    41
    Posts
    12,911
    Rep Power
    7016

    Reputation

    Big Cat has already said that many of his articles have mistakes after further research. He even shows this in the D-bol bridge debate we both had over at CEM and FG (I knew that study looked familiar, one of my favorites).

    It's basically this. Exogenous hormones suppress, peroid. Some more than others but they all suppress to a degree.

    In Anavar case, since it doesn't aromtize it act through 2 different pathways to suppress. First it acts on directly on the HTPA interefering with GnRH pusle frequency.

    Second, nonaromatizing androgens are thought to act directly on the pituitary interfering with the gene for transciption to LH production.

    Either way, your suppressed to a degree. THis goes for any nonaromatizing steroid.
    For answers to board issues, read the Suggestion and News forum at the bottom of the main page.
  

  
 

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Coming off a cycle of D-Pol, need some advice.
    By suppsnstuff in forum Supplements
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 05-29-2013, 09:35 PM
  2. Coming off a cycle
    By Velasco_fit in forum Supplements
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 05-08-2013, 12:22 PM
  3. Macros Coming Off a Cycle
    By donkeykong in forum Nutrition / Health
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 06-03-2008, 07:51 PM
  4. Training coming off a PS, PH, cycle
    By chainsaw in forum Training Forum
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 12-15-2004, 05:50 PM
  5. Coming off a cycle w/ clen?
    By JBlaze in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 10-09-2003, 06:47 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in