delayed gyno after havoc cycle. need advice
- 06-18-2008, 07:37 PM
- 06-18-2008, 08:48 PM
I'm also interested to hear what people would say. My guess would to be to dose up on nolva maybe 40mg for a few days, then down to 20mg until it goes then down to 10mg for a while. I don't think it will ever completely go without surgery but can be reduced to a size that it isn't noticeable. But to be honest I don't know for sure this is the best method.
Another option is for you to see you doctor or an endocrinologist.
Subbed to see what people say
- 06-18-2008, 09:09 PM
is there puffiness or tenderness?...i suggest some nolva for a little bit and if that doesnt help then get some Letro
06-19-2008, 12:15 AM
It has occured to me though that if havoc/epi acts like an AI, maybe theres a rebound going on, suppressed estro on cycle, then suppressed again afrter cycle...anyways, check this out.
Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia.
Lawrence SE, Faught KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
OBJECTIVES: To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens tamoxifen and raloxifene in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia.
STUDY DESIGN: Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an estrogen receptor modifier (tamoxifen or raloxifene).
RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients.
CONCLUSION: Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.
06-19-2008, 12:21 AM
06-19-2008, 12:51 AM
06-20-2008, 05:53 AM
Are your nips lactating any? Ever feel a little cold feel on your nip or touch it to find gyno and find the tip of your finger a little damp? High prolactin causes puffy nipples.
-My experience... using Epi caused my prolactin to go up and is worse AFTER cycle too. Even though it isn't a progestion like 19-nor, it still caused prolactin issues for me. If you want to fight it, get letro honestly and dose P-5-P 100mg 3 times daily or get some 1-C bulk powder from the Planet. If the lactating is bad.. get bromo (dopamine agonist) or deprenyl (MAO-B inhibitor) Don't get caber because just read up on the heart risks associated with it and if you still don't think it isnt a risk, then i'll explain in more detail to scare you lol!
And if prolactin is high do not touch Nolva, it will make it worse at a faster pace, I know this from experience.
06-20-2008, 05:57 AM
06-20-2008, 06:19 AM
06-20-2008, 03:10 PM
06-20-2008, 06:09 PM
To be honest we don't know a d@mn thing for sure with these products. It's not like the FDA is checking them... I've heard enough test results that showed a completely different compound in use than that which was on the label, to make me take everything i hear with a grain of salt.
06-20-2008, 06:22 PM
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06-21-2008, 10:16 PM
06-22-2008, 02:13 PM
06-22-2008, 02:30 PM
06-22-2008, 02:34 PM
06-26-2008, 04:05 PM
Rebound long enough for gynooooooooo?
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