A nightmare on Havoc Street

[ALJD0812]

Ok, I loved my gains on havoc that I decided to take it for 6 weeks. My libido was going down after week 3 but it was good enough. Once I hit week 5 my libido along with my ability to keep it up was just crushed. My wife was like wtf is going on with you. I hate to admit this but I actually faked it....I thought only women did this. Has anyone else ever done this? Anyway I am digressing here, my point is this was the worst part of taking this stuff. I was taking 200mg of DHEA as well and it didn;t help...so this weekend I started my PCT. Nolva 40/40/20/20. I got Vitrix (nat test booster) Paravol and taking dheas 200/150/100/50. Does anyone else recommend anything else I should do to kick me back into gear or is this sufficient enough? If anything it may be a bit much but I just need my soldier to get back into battle. I was going to take my test I had but I wasn't in the mood for the bloat. It was just a nightmare to have to deal with that side effect. Almost makes it not worth it to a point.

Am I good here on PCT or should I add anything else in? BTW where is Neoborn?

Thanks

 

[jpk]

Age? Previous steroid experience? Bloodwork? Other support supps? Havoc dosage?

 

[ALJD0812]

33, 185. experience on roids over 12 years. Epistane and havoc were the first designers I ever took. I usually stick with test, but wanted something different because of the bloat. Mission accomplished, Now I have this issue.

I have not had my bloodwork done since November, and i was fine. Blood pressure was a bit high but other than that I was fine.

I take liver supps and diet is healthy. I am not a newbie by any means but not as experienced as some on this board. Just looking for some feedback on my issue. There are tons of stuff out there but I have yet to read about a sever case of ED on Havoc and I feel I have that.

 

[gibbob2]

damn bro, good luck. I had that happen to me a LONG time ago when I took straight M1T. I wound up getting a generic cialis to kick start the motor and give that confidence boost i needed.

I actually pretended I was sick until my shipment came in, it's hard to fake it.

natural stuff you can add to the stack is zinc, and fenugreek

 

[Nightwanderer]

I actually pretended I was sick until my shipment came in, it's hard to fake it.

yeah, without condoms I don't see how a man can really fake it, lol. Luckily for me I can tell my gf everything, she knows I'm ON, and that my libido is extreme for now, and what to expect when I come off.

 

[ALJD0812]

Yeah I faked it but she asked if I did. I said not much came out and she bought it but I can't keep doing that. The next one better happen or I got some explaining to do. yeah my wife isn't cool with it and in this example if she knew this is all she would need to state her case.

i will add Zinc and fenu into it the mix. What's the dosage you recommend?

 

[gibbob2]

fenugreek 3 times a day at 500mg and the zinc 50-100mg once a day with a meal.

I have got a bucket load of other information stored on my computer, I will see what I can find for ya.

 

[gibbob2]

Ginkgo helps increase blood flow through arteries and veins. at most 220mg a day.

Ginseng helps with rigidity of their erections and sex drive at doses of 500mg day.

The zinc you have to look at what kind you are buying. Zinc picolinate, zinc citrate, and zinc monomethionine are the most absorbable. It enhances the production of testosterone and sperm motility.

Stuff you already will be taking being a bodybuilder is vitamin c at 2000 to 4000mg and 400 to 800 international units of vitamin e a day. Vitamins C and E are found in high concentrations in the prostate gland, so they can help speed your recovery from impotence.

That being said, take the afternoon off and go to the walk in clinic, get a male practitioner, and tell him you are under a lot of stress with work and are having erection problems. He will tell you most likely nohting is wrong then give you a free sampler of viagara or cialis. They usually come in 50mg caps, all you will need since this isn;t long term ED is like 1/5th of the pill. It will atleast give you a chance to have all the natural stuff kick in.

Good luck man

EDIT: This might be EXTREMELY innapropriate, however I learnt this from watching a few ron jeremy and peter north interviews. Once you are confident enough that you can finish and stay rock hard. (i feel gay ever typing this, but it's cool when it works) DUring the day take yourself to the brink of "finishing" as many times as you can without actually finishing, then when it comes time with the wife, you will have endless ammounts of "stuff" when you finally RELEASE. I just thought there would be someone on am.com that would appreciate that. I sure did.

 

[LatsRus]

man sorry to hear that havoc caused u this much trouble, i lose my sex drive a bit but still can get it up pretty easily if i wanted too. either way tho man if you dont want to have sex with your wife for any reason then you shouldnt! shes not the boss of you man, buy her a dildo and tell her to learn to use that when ur not in the mood. honestly though she should respect your decision, and so what if your on a ph? if she has a problem with you following your interests then something needs to be reevaluated! and not having sex a few times when she wants it shouldnt kill her, it just sucks when u have to hide things that you dont really need too, especially from those that are supposed to be so close too.

 

[ALJD0812]

I hear you man but I also understand he point. Yeah I love this stuff and the gains but when it comes to total disfunction of that area even I need to take a step back and think about it. Next time I am adding Test in there, never again will i just run this alone.

To her defense I wasn't running this stuff when we were engaged, I was working out mildly due to my job and traveling so I got back into it and she saw how devoted I was to it. So it was a big change from where she met me and now I can't even please her. My drive is high so when it drops so sharply she has reason to wonder. I get her concern. I just want my cake and eat it too. Test would have been the wisest choice here, but like I said I hate how bloated I get on it.

 

[Trauma1]

Sorry to hear about this brother. Sometimes, this is a side effect in some people with epithio products. I'm surprised that the DHEA didn't help with the libido though. I'm willing to bet that your estrogen is very suppressed attributing to this issue. Havoc's compound can do that, however it seems to vary greatly among users.

I see that you're taking paravol in your pct, and that is a GREAT idea. It should help you get your libido back fairly quickly. However, i would drop the vitirex and double dose the paravol. Trust me the results should be phenominal.

I also agree with adding in some zinc. It should add some additional help.

Were you lucky enough to invest in some Aspire36 before it was pulled? That surely would have helped out here.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Sorry to hear that bro Stoked has been working really well for libido:dance:

 

[Trauma1]

Sorry to hear that bro Stoked has been working really well for libido:dance:

Agreed. I haven't tried it yet, but it looks to be a solid product based on the reviews i've read.

 

[pantera101]

Just call havoc a hardcore test booster and that it can mess with your sex drive when comming off or after running it for a while.Tell her you just found out on this site that others have had these preoblems with bad ass test boosters as well.You gota play it like this guy---> :afro:

 

[ALJD0812]

Sorry to hear about this brother. Sometimes, this is a side effect in some people with epithio products. I'm surprised that the DHEA didn't help with the libido though. I'm willing to bet that your estrogen is very suppressed attributing to this issue. Havoc's compound can do that, however it seems to vary greatly among users.

I see that you're taking paravol in your pct, and that is a GREAT idea. It should help you get your libido back fairly quickly. However, i would drop the vitirex and double dose the paravol. Trust me the results should be phenominal.

I also agree with adding in some zinc. It should add some additional help.

Were you lucky enough to invest in some Aspire36 before it was pulled? That surely would have helped out here.

How come the Vitirix is no good? I will follow your advice on doubling up on the Paravol. I used it in January and loved it. So here I go again on it. So take 4 caps a day. Got it.

 

[Trauma1]

How come the Vitirix is no good? I will follow your advice on doubling up on the Paravol. I used it in January and loved it. So here I go again on it. So take 4 caps a day. Got it.

It's not that it isn't good. I've just had info passed on to me over time that paravol double dosed in your situation helps significantly. Good luck brother.

 

[D8685]

Get some Diesel Test Hardcore and Coq Diesel from Diesel Nutrition. Stick your pct and everything should be back to normal in no time. Don't worry this happened to me once to and everything is cool now. Hang in there

 

[Trauma1]

I agree that DTH is some good stuff also. Paravol should get the job done very nicely though.

 

[ALJD0812]

Thanks guys,

And my wife will thank you....someday. haha

I agree that DTH is some good stuff also. Paravol should get the job done very nicely though.

 

[pantera101]

I agree that DTH is some good stuff also. Paravol should get the job done very nicely though.

I'm using DTH and restore right now and my libido has been pretty high.I can always tell cause I'll be checking out some woman at the gym and saying,"yeah,I would!"Then I'm thinking I see her all the time and never think that about her!Lol!!!

 

[ALJD0812]

Thanks for all your help guys. I'm on day 4 of PCT and I have noticed improvements already. The soldier at least has been up and stirring around....he's going to try and do battle tonight. Wish him luck.

 

[Trauma1]

Thanks for all your help guys. I'm on day 4 of PCT and I have noticed improvements already. The soldier at least has been up and stirring around....he's going to try and do battle tonight. Wish him luck.

Give it hell soldier lol!

 

[ALJD0812]

What sux is that it doesn't stay hard long enough. I guess as a 33 year old I need to use viagara. This is discouraging still. Maybe it's on my mind to much because she is always like what's the matter?

Give it hell soldier lol!

 

[gibbob2]

**** dude. still not back to normal?

Look into some ginseng for the rigidity...

I say go get some stuff (viagara, cialis, levitra,) just to kick start it. I doubt you need it, but it will give you that extra boost of confidence.