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    so i'm on my 4th day of clen and i'm already up to 120mcg. i had energy this morning when i took it and about 2:00 i ended up taking a nap and i have gotten the best nights of sleep i've gotten in a while taking this stuff. is there something wrong because i thought this stuff would keep u up all the time and have crazy energy? and i didn't think i would be up to max dosage on the 4th day.

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    some experience lethargy on clen.
    and some have fake clen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    some experience lethargy on clen.
    and some have fake clen.
    it's definately real. i just stopped getting the shakes yesterday and i've been sweating like a mother fu**er. also if u do a 2 week on 2 week off i've seen ephedrine or yohimbee as a suggestion to take on ur 2 weeks off... now would albuterol be too much during those 2 weeks?
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    cycling off clen allows down regulated beta receptors to recover.
    ephedrine and albuterol also suppress beta receptors so using them in the off period would be counter-productive.
    just stick with an over the counter fat burner in your weeks off. yohimbe is fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    cycling off clen allows down regulated beta receptors to recover.
    ephedrine and albuterol also suppress beta receptors so using them in the off period would be counter-productive.
    just stick with an over the counter fat burner in your weeks off. yohimbe is fine.
    ok. i thought that but everyhting i've read says eca during 2 week off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    ok. i thought that but everyhting i've read says eca during 2 week off.
    i know. that is common advice given in the bb world to cycle eca in the 2wks off.

    although ephedrine doesn't hit beta 2 receptors directly like clen does, it still hits beta receptors causing your b2 receptors to not fully recover.
    you will get the most benefit from your clen by taking a complete break from all suppressive beta antagonists.
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    I made this mistake with clenbuterol myself. I had used an ECA stack for about 3 weeks before starting the clen. When I did start using clen I was a little shaky for the first few days and then the effects wore off. I was able to take 160mcg without any problems. I stopped after 10 days and began taking Benadryl for the diphenhydramine content. I did this for 3 weeks and did not using any B2 targetting stims during that time and for a couple of weeks after. Yesterday I took an ECA before training. It was like taking it for the first time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cub View Post
    I made this mistake with clenbuterol myself. I had used an ECA stack for about 3 weeks before starting the clen. When I did start using clen I was a little shaky for the first few days and then the effects wore off. I was able to take 160mcg without any problems. I stopped after 10 days and began taking Benadryl for the diphenhydramine content. I did this for 3 weeks and did not using any B2 targetting stims during that time and for a couple of weeks after. Yesterday I took an ECA before training. It was like taking it for the first time
    can't u also take benadryl while on it so u can run it longer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    cycling off clen allows down regulated beta receptors to recover.
    ephedrine and albuterol also suppress beta receptors so using them in the off period would be counter-productive.
    just stick with an over the counter fat burner in your weeks off. yohimbe is fine.
    receptors still work. cycling off for that short time will hardly do anything. clen should be used continuously IT NEVER STOPS WORKING, 40mcg for 2 weeks and up 20mcg every2 weeks till you get to 120mcg then cycle down.

    thats how clen SHOULD be ran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    receptors still work. cycling off for that short time will hardly do anything. clen should be used continuously IT NEVER STOPS WORKING, 40mcg for 2 weeks and up 20mcg every2 weeks till you get to 120mcg then cycle down.

    thats how clen SHOULD be ran.
    Why do you need to taper the dosage down? Can you explain further? You're saying you need to run 40/40/60/60/80/80/100/100/120/120/100/100/80/80/60/60/40/40? That's 18 weeks.
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    18 wks!!! D@mn! What were results with this dosing protocol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cub View Post
    Why do you need to taper the dosage down? Can you explain further? You're saying you need to run 40/40/60/60/80/80/100/100/120/120/100/100/80/80/60/60/40/40? That's 18 weeks.
    That's the hardcore way to run it.

    OP, anything positive as far as weight loss yet? Also does your diet change a whole lot while on clen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cub View Post
    Why do you need to taper the dosage down? Can you explain further? You're saying you need to run 40/40/60/60/80/80/100/100/120/120/100/100/80/80/60/60/40/40? That's 18 weeks.
    when you dose down you can go from 120 fo 40mcg and run it 2 weeks, not necessarily the way its shown above, most stay at 120 until desired fat loss clen should be ran 16-20 TOPS
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    Quote Originally Posted by spigot View Post
    That's the hardcore way to run it.

    OP, anything positive as far as weight loss yet? Also does your diet change a whole lot while on clen?
    i've only been on for 4 days. i see a little more ab definition and i've dropped to a very low car diet. maybe about 40grams a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    i've only been on for 4 days. i see a little more ab definition and i've dropped to a very low car diet. maybe about 40grams a day.
    No carb-up days? I may try clen sometime in the future, sounds very effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spigot View Post
    No carb-up days? I may try clen sometime in the future, sounds very effective.
    the weekends are usually my carb up days. and u might wanna read up on clen first, a lot of people think it's terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    the weekends are usually my carb up days. and u might wanna read up on clen first, a lot of people think it's terrible.
    Oh yeah I've read up on it, I haven't read a whole lot that's negative about it but I have read some people thinking it's not too effective at preserving or building muscle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spigot View Post
    Oh yeah I've read up on it, I haven't read a whole lot that's negative about it but I have read some people thinking it's not too effective at preserving or building muscle.
    i mean like the rat studies where its been shown to kill heart muscle and things like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    i mean like the rat studies where its been shown to kill heart muscle and things like that.
    I thought the animal studies were mostly done with obscene dosages per kg of the animal's mass compared to our dosage per kg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spigot View Post
    I thought the animal studies were mostly done with obscene dosages per kg of the animal's mass compared to our dosage per kg.
    This is true. the testing in animals is probably 1000 times more potent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    so i'm on my 4th day of clen and i'm already up to 120mcg. i had energy this morning when i took it and about 2:00 i ended up taking a nap and i have gotten the best nights of sleep i've gotten in a while taking this stuff. is there something wrong because i thought this stuff would keep u up all the time and have crazy energy? and i didn't think i would be up to max dosage on the 4th day.


    shouldnt you bee ramping up the dosage rather than getting to you max dosage on day four? maybe you will have better luck starting off lower instead of burning out your receptors. this early. just my two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by repmks View Post
    shouldnt you bee ramping up the dosage rather than getting to you max dosage on day four? maybe you will have better luck starting off lower instead of burning out your receptors. this early. just my two cents.
    What dosage protocol would you suggest with clen to lose around 4-5% bodyfat? What kind of diet?

    From what I've read, the 2 week on/ 2 week off with benadryl sounds most interesting. And would keep the effects renewed when you went back on it.
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    Take 3-5 grams of Taurin each day while doing Clenbuterol, as Taurin will stop the muscle stiffness, and cramps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rommel View Post
    Take 3-5 grams of Taurin each day while doing Clenbuterol, as Taurin will stop the muscle stiffness, and cramps.
    taurine is crap, if you cant get quinine, the taurine is ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spigot View Post
    What dosage protocol would you suggest with clen to lose around 4-5% bodyfat? What kind of diet?

    From what I've read, the 2 week on/ 2 week off with benadryl sounds most interesting. And would keep the effects renewed when you went back on it.

    the protocol above, is the best way along with T3, best run on a keto diet, with cardion morning pre breakfast, and post workout (under 130 bpm)

    keto diet ONE refeed meal, end of the week.. (last meal of the day)
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    taurine is crap, if you cant get quinine, the taurine is ok.
    Why would you EVER go with a drug with the below side effect, when Taurine is effective, with many other benefits? I just cant see using a Malaria drug for what he wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassgod272 View Post
    quinine is COMMONLY used for restless leg syndrome and leg cramps. MALARONE is the new malaria prevention drug. i used to dispense quinine sulfate to patients on a daily basis and they swore by it for leg cramps and RLS. they said NOTHING worked nearly as well. now the manufacturers of quinine sulfate stopped making the medication. it IS available in a few OTC products though. it IS better than taurine and every medication has side effects. patients come in constantly complaining that quinine is no longer readily available by prescription and the dose in OTC products is lower.
    We are given this prior to going to Iraq, and it made me feel like absolute shlt. Most of my comrades as well. But I guess each persons view is subjective.

    If it works for you, then by all means, I just would rather a more tolerable taurine, since it works perfectly well for clen issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassgod272 View Post
    what dose were you given, just curious? because you should not have exceeded 325mg.
    Oh I dont know... YOu know the military. **Here take these pills... this many... for this long... I never bothered to look at the dosages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by repmks View Post
    shouldnt you bee ramping up the dosage rather than getting to you max dosage on day four? maybe you will have better luck starting off lower instead of burning out your receptors. this early. just my two cents.
    i was ramping up. but i thought that ur supposed to go higher everyday as long as u don't feel side effects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spigot View Post
    Oh yeah I've read up on it, I haven't read a whole lot that's negative about it but I have read some people thinking it's not too effective at preserving or building muscle.

    It's negative.
    Go find JSP's thread where he was asking for advice and find the link I posted to Glenihan's thread. Heart rate in the upper 130 bpm range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassgod272 View Post
    quinine is COMMONLY used for restless leg syndrome and leg cramps. MALARONE is the new malaria prevention drug. i used to dispense quinine sulfate to patients on a daily basis and they swore by it for leg cramps and RLS. they said NOTHING worked nearly as well. now the manufacturers of quinine sulfate stopped making the medication. it IS available in a few OTC products though. it IS better than taurine and every medication has side effects. patients come in constantly complaining that quinine is no longer readily available by prescription and the dose in OTC products is lower. not trying to argue or anything, just saying that crazyfool was correct in his statement.

    thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    i was ramping up. but i thought that ur supposed to go higher everyday as long as u don't feel side effects?
    just because you dont feel something doesnt mean its not working, i think thats a common misconception people have and why they go overboard,

    clen still works even when you dont feel it. thus upping the dose 20mcg every 2 weeks, is ok.

    ps never do more then 20 mcg in one sitting without 2 hours in between
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    just because you dont feel something doesnt mean its not working, i think thats a common misconception people have and why they go overboard,

    clen still works even when you dont feel it. thus upping the dose 20mcg every 2 weeks, is ok.

    ps never do more then 20 mcg in one sitting without 2 hours in between
    Heed the first part. Clen is working, even if the sides even out.

    The second part though I would not perform. Clen has a 36 hour half life. If you did choose to go 20mcg every two hours, prepare yourself for not sleeping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    just because you dont feel something doesnt mean its not working, i think thats a common misconception people have and why they go overboard,

    clen still works even when you dont feel it. thus upping the dose 20mcg every 2 weeks, is ok.

    ps never do more then 20 mcg in one sitting without 2 hours in between
    i always heard ramp up as long as u can take the sides.. i take all 120mcg first thing in the morning. there's not really a point to spreading it out cause it has like a 36 hour half life. it's going to be in ur system no matter what. and it's not really that good to be taking later in the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    i always heard ramp up as long as u can take the sides.. i take all 120mcg first thing in the morning. there's not really a point to spreading it out cause it has like a 36 hour half life. it's going to be in ur system no matter what. and it's not really that good to be taking later in the day.
    And you are correct in this notion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    And you are correct in this notion.

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    so is 120mcg the highest u should go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0882 View Post
    so is 120mcg the highest u should go?
    Every person is different, and everyone tolerates it differently. Stick with 120 for a short time, and see if it gives you what you want. If not then you can start to bump up slightly, a little bit at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Every person is different, and everyone tolerates it differently. Stick with 120 for a short time, and see if it gives you what you want. If not then you can start to bump up slightly, a little bit at a time.

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    i took 120mcg today and got a little of the shakes again but not a lot. i just don't wanna go too high with a dose. haven't seen many people suggest anything more than 160mcg
  

  
 

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