Epistane Vs. Halodrol (first cycle)

[GMG760]

So I've been reading up on designers, ran a non methylated LG cycle, and have narrowed my upcoming first run with designers down to two options, Halodrol or Epistane. My routine/diet/motivation/preparation/PCT are all in line (I already have my tamoxafen citrate). I know what I am going to be eating, I know how I am going to be working out. I just know that my receptors are clean, and I want to take the most out of this cycle. I know compounds like Phera, Tren, and of course Superdrol have better gains, but I want to start a bit safer if you know what I mean. I am looking for between a 5-10 lbs. gain (trying to stay realistic, I haven't ran a designer yet) in LBM, if I lose fat, great, if I gain it... whatever its a bulk anyway. The summer will be over and I am not going to be cutting until the next summer.

I know i will gain more out of the Epistane, and the Halodrol will be better for cutting down and keeping my muscle, but I have also heard of people making some pretty nice gains on it. Anyway, I'll eventually run them both, but you guys know better than me what would be best for my first time around. Thanks!

 

[stl123]

Still haven't tried Epi, but I love me some Halo.

 

[GMG760]

Still haven't tried Epi, but I love me some Halo.

I have read that H-drol should be ran a bit longer than a normal cycle because it's gains kick in around week 3-4? Would your recommend , 50/50/75/75/75? Or am I getting ahead of myself for my first run?

 

[Weebs]

They were relatively similar to me in terms of fat loss, strength and lean muscle gains. Epi was only a 3 week cycle and gains came on quick. So I vote epi.

btw, I used epidrol and the other was h-drol by CEL. Both solid products.

 

[GMG760]

They were relatively similar to me in terms of fat loss, strength and lean muscle gains. Epi was only a 3 week cycle and gains came on quick. So I vote epi.

btw, I used epidrol and the other was h-drol by CEL. Both solid products.

I have my hands on some Epistane and the CEL Hdrol. Sweet deal, thanks for the advice. Were the sides similar?

 

[Weebs]

To an extent. They both seemed pretty mild compared to an SD or phera clone. I had minimal shutdown with both. i did get a little bit more acne with hdrol for some reason. Also agression was very nice at 30mg with epi.

I think you should just look at your time frame for running this cycle. Decide if you want to go for a longer 5-6 week cycle or a short 3 weeker. I choose to lean more towards short cycles like epi and SD.

 

[stl123]

I have read that H-drol should be ran a bit longer than a normal cycle because it's gains kick in around week 3-4? Would your recommend , 50/50/75/75/75? Or am I getting ahead of myself for my first run?

I ran it for 5 weeks like this 50/75/75/75/100. Pretty sweet cycle.

 

[GMG760]

So far it's looking like I am gonna be running Epi... I have been reading about longer Epi cycles... What do you guys think of a 4 week cycle vs 3 week on Epi? I was thinking 20/30/30/40...

Oh and does anyone have any advice on what I should do about a little PCT dillema that I have... I have liquid Tamoxifen Citrate, but my dropper doesn't have ml markings... should I just go get a syringe with one?

 

[JonLanni]

i ran cel hdrol 75/75/75/100/100 n i look like a statue

 

[Iron07]

I know this is a stupid question, but i really need to know...how do you take your 75mg dose? 25 in the morning and 50 in the evening or 25 25 25 spread through out the day?

Thank's preciate it.

 

[bla55]

I'm sorry for the little offtopic here, but I was just curious what were the non-methyl LG cycle that you had previously.

I can't vouch much for the Halo but I had some good gains on the epidrol that I ran not too long ago. I did pack quite the amount of fat along with it, although.

 

[GMG760]

I'm sorry for the little offtopic here, but I was just curious what were the non-methyl LG cycle that you had previously.

I can't vouch much for the Halo but I had some good gains on the epidrol that I ran not too long ago. I did pack quite the amount of fat along with it, although.

Methyl 1D, Methyl Masterdrol V2. Both are called methyl, neither of which are. Kinda misleading. The cycle was good. MMV2 being the better of the two products IMO.

 

[Boyders]

Bump for I'm stuck between the two. Anyone else want to comment on this poll?

 

[GMG760]

Bump for I'm stuck between the two. Anyone else want to comment on this poll?

So I went with the Epi and I am loving it. It's the first day of week 2 and today was the first day I felt it... good stuff.

I'm still gonna run the halodrol. My biggest concern would be how prone you are to androgenic sides like hair loss... hdrol is supposed to be much milder.

 

[Boyders]

I've got a head of hair that would put Richard Simmons out of business so that wouldn't be a concern.

I'm leaning towards epi casue I'd rather a wham bam 3-4 week style cycle than be taking a PH for 5-6 weeks so I'm glad to hear it.

How long you on??

 

[GMG760]

I've got a head of hair that would put Richard Simmons out of business so that wouldn't be a concern.

I'm leaning towards epi casue I'd rather a wham bam 3-4 week style cycle than be taking a PH for 5-6 weeks so I'm glad to hear it.

How long you on??

First day of week 2 of four.

20/30/40/40.

Hairloss is predetermined by genetics... androgens just speed up the process... you could have a mop and still lose hair... just watch out dude. I mean, I am running it and no problems but a few back pumps so far.

 

[EasyEJL]

I'm leaning towards epi casue I'd rather a wham bam 3-4 week style cycle than be taking a PH for 5-6 weeks so I'm glad to hear it.

i dunno, I sort of feel the reverse. if i'm going to gain 12 lbs would I rather gain it as 4lbs a week for 3 weeks, or 2lbs a week for 6? stretch marks, the amount you have to eat, how well you keep it thru pct, etc

 

[craze012002]

i got my hans on some epi and hdrol havent started yet any suggestions on the dosage on anti-e running it for 4 or 5 weeks not sure yet, ive done hdrol good stuff i am 5'7 180 like a rock

 

[Boyders]

i dunno, I sort of feel the reverse. if i'm going to gain 12 lbs would I rather gain it as 4lbs a week for 3 weeks, or 2lbs a week for 6? stretch marks, the amount you have to eat, how well you keep it thru pct, etc

That's a good point easy

 

[GMG760]

i dunno, I sort of feel the reverse. if i'm going to gain 12 lbs would I rather gain it as 4lbs a week for 3 weeks, or 2lbs a week for 6? stretch marks, the amount you have to eat, how well you keep it thru pct, etc

You are more likely to keep the gains that are gained slowly. And Hdrol is so mild that 6 weeks should be no biggie. However, if you said the same thing with other substances, I would have to er on the side of caution and say to go for 3-4 weeks.

As far as anti estrogen goes, you don't need it with either until PCT... and that is rather questionable if you really need it at all. Epi is an AI to begin with.

 

[Boyders]

Isn't epi being an AI why people are getting rebounds? I mean, with an AI you always taper at the end but with epi or havoc people taper up to 40-60mg then cold turkey off of it.

I would assume that even after 4 weeks of using a SERM or OTC reserv your body wouldn't able to bring down the estro enough with help. I could be completely wrong but I recall seeing most of the gyno cases happening from epi post pct, without an AI

I'm still researching all of this myself so do tell if I'm smoking crack

 

[GMG760]

Isn't epi being an AI why people are getting rebounds? I mean, with an AI you always taper at the end but with epi or havoc people taper up to 40-60mg then cold turkey off of it.

I would assume that even after 4 weeks of using a SERM or OTC reserv your body wouldn't able to bring down the estro enough with help. I could be completely wrong but I recall seeing most of the gyno cases happening from epi post pct, without an AI

I'm still researching all of this myself so do tell if I'm smoking crack

No, you are right. It just depends how gyno prone you are I suppose. I misunderstood you and thought you were talking about on cycle AI. I am gonna run Formadrol by LG during my PCT. Probably a low dose and tapering off. A SERM really should be enough for Epi, but its better to er on the safe side. My PCT is a bit overkill, but hey, it's better to be healthy.

 

[IronMucsle]

I have ran Epi its a great Med, but esp for the first cycle 4 weeks min at 40 mg, weight dependant, run it 8 weeks at 30 jack up to 40 and eat. I did SD first and wasnt quite ready for it, now im looking for number 3 and want to run Epi and Hdrol for 8 weeks. Jump in on an 8 weeker and add some good size.

 

[Boyders]

Yah. I'm planning cycle support through the whole monty, SERM, a bottle of orange triad, retain 2, 6-oxo or other AI, and MAAAYBE a natty test booster. I don't think there such thing as over kill when your talkin hormones and freakin lumps in my pecs

 

[Usf97j4x4]

Honestly I'm not impressed w/Epi. I am 3 weeks in. Halo I love.

 

[GMG760]

Honestly I'm not impressed w/Epi. I am 3 weeks in. Halo I love.

Hmm... could there be some predisposed bias here?

Just kidding. I hear different reactions to the epi... I personally am loving it.

 

[ecu19]

I mean, I am running it and no problems but a few back pumps so far.

Running h-drol/epi as we speak as you well know. Not even h-drol/m-drol has caused me this many cramps and back pumps as the h-drol/epi. I'm pretty sure it's the epi. (Yes I didn't get back pumps with m-drol!, only one time at the gym, for about 1 hour really bad, that was mid cycle and was IT!)

 

[milwood]

good discussion...

 

[Boyders]

Would any of you ever recommend a first timer to double up with hdrol AND epi?

And how would you say the libido compares between the two? I have a long term live in gf that would NOT be impressed if I couldn't perform to her standards

 

[ecu19]

Would any of you ever recommend a first timer to double up with hdrol AND epi?

And how would you say the libido compares between the two? I have a long term live in gf that would NOT be impressed if I couldn't perform to her standards

Haven't felt any differences in libido, granted my cycle is about half a week in. I would think that h-drol would cause less libido losses vs. epi, but that's just from what i've read from peoples experiences on here.

 

[EasyEJL]

Would any of you ever recommend a first timer to double up with hdrol AND epi?

And how would you say the libido compares between the two? I have a long term live in gf that would NOT be impressed if I couldn't perform to her standards

no, no doubling up first time, you really need to take each separately first just to make sure you dont have some crappy reaction to it (rash, etc) because if you take them together you can't guess which one is causing it and have to kill the cycle entirely

and just pick up some cialis or viagra really to be on the safe side, but epi tends to raise libido in some people....

 

[GMG760]

Would any of you ever recommend a first timer to double up with hdrol AND epi?

And how would you say the libido compares between the two? I have a long term live in gf that would NOT be impressed if I couldn't perform to her standards

Double methyls tend to be a no-no. These are relatively mild, but I wouldn't double up on your first run.

Libido is fine at week 2, I hear week 3 is where it becomes an issue. I doubt either would make it so that you couldn't get an erection or send the boys on vacation, but you'll probably notice a drop in libido. I wouldn't say COMPLETELY shut down... I'll let you know in the next two weeks how it goes.

 

[ecu19]

So far it's looking like I am gonna be running Epi... I have been reading about longer Epi cycles... What do you guys think of a 4 week cycle vs 3 week on Epi? I was thinking 20/30/30/40...

Oh and does anyone have any advice on what I should do about a little PCT dillema that I have... I have liquid Tamoxifen Citrate, but my dropper doesn't have ml markings... should I just go get a syringe with one?

Go to eckerd or riteaid and kindly ask the pharmacist for an oral syringe, tell them it's to measure small amounts, like 1ml/cc, and they should be able to hook you up with a free one, they have tons.

 

[ecu19]

And for what it's worth h-drol/m-drol cycle did shut me down (bounced back right after pct no problem) but did not affect my libido nor my physical ability to get it on :thumbsup:. h-drol/epi should not have a profound effect on the normal males libido granted it is used reasonably.

 

[GMG760]

Go to eckerd or riteaid and kindly ask the pharmacist for an oral syringe, tell them it's to measure small amounts, like 1ml/cc, and they should be able to hook you up with a free one, they have tons.

I figured out how much was in my dropper since that post... thanks though lol.

 

[GMG760]

And for what it's worth h-drol/m-drol cycle did shut me down (bounced back right after pct no problem) but did not affect my libido nor my physical ability to get it on :thumbsup:. h-drol/epi should not have a profound effect on the normal males libido granted it is used reasonably.

So you got bloodwork done?

I mean, how did you know you were shut down if you're **** still worked and you had no libido issues?

You must have gotten whatever steroid side effect immunity genes Thundergod has.

 

[EasyEJL]

So you got bloodwork done?

I mean, how did you know you were shut down if you're **** still worked and you had no libido issues?

You must have gotten whatever steroid side effect immunity genes Thundergod has.

I took 660mg of 1-T a day for almost 9 weeks, and the last 3 1/2 weeks took superdrol ramping up to 30mg. no sides other than back pumps during it, and no noticeable shrinkage or libido loss either....

 

[ecu19]

So you got bloodwork done?

I mean, how did you know you were shut down if you're **** still worked and you had no libido issues?

You must have gotten whatever steroid side effect immunity genes Thundergod has.

Got bloodwork done. Cholesterol actually went down (this was bloodwork 2-3 months after the end of m-drol/h-drol pct) and the hdl:ldl levels were at a pretty healthy level (better than 4 months before the cycle too, got bloodwork a while before cycle). Liver values were within normal range, and test is within normal ranges (just got a test test recently, boys were all fine).

 

[bigzach1234]

which produces dryer more permanent gains...i am not interested in blowing up from water weight.. I am interested in harder dryer gains.. it seems like the consensus is halodrol is safer and more permanent in terms of gains, from expierence what is the average amount of weight gained and kept after pct from both...

 

[blaznbison24]

I tried a 4 week cycle of Haladrol and really didn't gain anything at all. It wasn't until my PST (Rebound XT, Lean Xtreme, Activate) that I started getting a little strength and lean mass boost. I'm thinking about trying out Epistane this time around.

 

[TripDog]

Halodrol all the way!!

 

[nemo]

x2!

 

[bigbadboss101]

What about 4 weeks of HDrol, follow by 3-4 weeks of E-Stane?
Cycle support during, and 6 0x0 after.

Do you recomment a break between Hdrol and E-Stane?

 

[nemo]

Hdrol then epi on another,.. work your way up the ladder.

 

[nattydisaster]

Epistane. Less sides, better gains.