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    Best stack Halo/trem or Halo/epi???


    best stack:

    Halo-e: Halodrol with epistane (50mg halo, 30mg epi)
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    Halo-t 400: halodrol with trem(50mg halo,40mg trem)

    whats the best stack...i need lean muscle?

    what halo-e offers?
    what halo-t offers?

    what's more safe?

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    what are ur stats?
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    height: 1,78 cm
    weight:173 pounds (77kg)
    with no gym weight(2 years ago):72kg
    Body fat: 9-11%
    Phs: i run 2 cycles, dyma stack(a andro stack) (+8pounds) and a massXtreme(pheraclone) (+22pounds)

    i lost a lot of mass becouse i run a lot of diets:
    natural hormonal enhancement(40days)
    game over(14 days)
    chicken and rice(3days two times)
    Easy Carb control (all time)
    i run this time the warrior diet 30days and running
    and i dont do a PCT becouse my "master" says to recovery naturaly after my bad experience with phera-clone

    i like to gains lean mass and burn fat but i need to what the two products works

    (please sorry for my english)
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    Epi's a much superior hormone to tren (dienolone) IMO. That combo can really dry out your joints though. I'd pre load cissus + a glucosamine combo supp. The Tren/Halo would probably provide less shutdown though.
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    please man, whats IMO and OTC?

    and please clarify.... Halo and epi is a great DRY gains? around 10-15pounds??

    and Halo and trem is a great Dry and strenght gains??
    around 5-10pounds??

    And the side effects? Gino, Libido loss, etc...

    thanks brow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Brasil View Post
    please man, whats IMO and OTC?

    and please clarify.... Halo and epi is a great DRY gains? around 10-15pounds??

    and Halo and trem is a great Dry and strenght gains??
    around 5-10pounds??

    And the side effects? Gino, Libido loss, etc...

    thanks brow

    IMO = in my opinion

    OTC = over-the-counter

    Epi is dry lean mass gains. No not 10-15 pounds, thats ridiculous IMO, more like 5-7. Halo prob the same if dosed highly.

    Epi/halo = 2 methyls so harsher on the liver and harsh on joints.

    Tren/halo = Safer probably but chance of prolactin issues so have p-5-p on hand (I think), less liver issues.

    Both good stack for leans muscle gains.

    IMO go tren/halo, its a methyl/non-methyl stack and epi and halo are quite similar compounds IMO
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    what is P-5-P ??
    and how to work with it?


    here is the products:
    halo-epi: Bodybuilding.com - Armor Nutrition Halo-E - Non-Aromatizing On sale now!
    halo-trem: Anabolic Formulation Halo-T 400, 60 Caps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Brasil View Post
    please man, whats IMO and OTC?

    and please clarify.... Halo and epi is a great DRY gains? around 10-15pounds??

    and Halo and trem is a great Dry and strenght gains??
    around 5-10pounds??

    And the side effects? Gino, Libido loss, etc...

    thanks brow

    DRY means little to no water weight, meaning it will most likely cause ur joints to hurt (knees, elbows, etc)


    IMO = in my opinion
    OTC = over the counter

    there are side effects with both, but i say "tren" is a guaruntee to kill ur libido







    dangit tnick beat me to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Brasil View Post
    height: 1,78 cm
    weight:173 pounds (77kg)
    with no gym weight(2 years ago):72kg
    Body fat: 9-11%
    Phs: i run 2 cycles, dyma stack(a andro stack) (+8pounds) and a massXtreme(pheraclone) (+22pounds)

    i lost a lot of mass becouse i run a lot of diets:
    natural hormonal enhancement(40days)
    game over(14 days)
    chicken and rice(3days two times)
    Easy Carb control (all time)
    i run this time the warrior diet 30days and running
    and i dont do a PCT becouse my "master" says to recovery naturaly after my bad experience with phera-clone

    i like to gains lean mass and burn fat but i need to what the two products works

    (please sorry for my english)

    IMO this is a very bad idea if you going to do steriods do a pct period
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    proviron to give up my libido.. "nosnmiveins"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Brasil View Post
    proviron to give up my libido.. "nosnmiveins"

    that should work, i suggest running the Halo/Epi (50mg/30mg) because the dose is a lot better compared to Halo/Tren (50mg/40mg).....most ppl run "Tren" at 90mg

    ...the only bad part about multi-substance orals is u cant choose the dose to ur liking
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    In Brasil ppl still have the concept of no need for the PCT, they still with the pyramid cycles in there. Probably that's why he lost all his gains...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Epi's a much superior hormone to tren (dienolone) IMO. That combo can really dry out your joints though. I'd pre load cissus + a glucosamine combo supp. The Tren/Halo would probably provide less shutdown though.
    I was under the impression that Epi and Halo were under the same category (or type?) so they would fight for activity..?

    As where Halo and Tren (which ever one he refer to) are of two different categories and tren being a progestin, they would work in different ways. Making Tren/Halo a better stack.... or am I way off here??

    Rafael: Seriously consider a PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condition1 View Post
    I was under the impression that Epi and Halo were under the same category (or type?) so they would fight for activity..?

    As where Halo and Tren (which ever one he refer to) are of two different categories and tren being a progestin, they would work in different ways. Making Tren/Halo a better stack.... or am I way off here??

    Rafael: Seriously consider a PCT.
    Alright I'm back... my friend Rafael, for what it's worth don't take steroids without a proper PCT. As for the category thing, people used to (some still do) classify hormones as class I or II but it's mostly a myth, if you will IMO. If you have 2 anabolics that're 'dry' or mostly anabolic they can have nice synergy as pure anabolics that have little androgenic activity work by increasing protein synthesis, carb breakdown/insulin release, etc. Low dosed Superdrol plus Halo makes for a great combo from all the reviews I've seen thus far. And Tren's not a progestin, it converts to regular Dienolone. It's methylated counterpart, Methyl-Dienolone is and has strong activity at the progesterone receptor but Dienolone doesn't. When you have a compound and add/remove 17a methylation it completely changes the compounds properties.
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    Rafael Brasil:
    i dont do a PCT becouse my "master" says to recovery naturaly after my bad experience with phera-clone

    i feel my BAAAD experience in my ****.... obvious i run a properly PCT.... with Clomid, tamoxifene, and testo boosters (tribullus, zma, maca etc)

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    Tren/halo = Safer probably but chance of prolactin issues so have p-5-p on hand (I think), less liver issues.

    please, what is P-5-P???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Brasil View Post
    Rafael Brasil:
    i dont do a PCT becouse my "master" says to recovery naturaly after my bad experience with phera-clone

    i feel my BAAAD experience in my ****.... obvious i run a properly PCT.... with Clomid, tamoxifene, and testo boosters (tribullus, zma, maca etc)

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    Tren/halo = Safer probably but chance of prolactin issues so have p-5-p on hand (I think), less liver issues.

    please, what is P-5-P???

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/n...p-60-tabs.html
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    what p-60 do?
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    I'd get a new master if I were you. They don't sell masters on NP though...
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    i click...is a b-6 vitamin metabolit.... but what p-5-p do in my body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Brasil View Post
    i click...is a b-6 vitamin metabolit.... but what p-5-p do in my body?
    Not being a ****, really. I think the questions you have are valid, but I seriously think you need to do your part and search on what some of these people are telling you.

    About your two proposed stacks, I've never used Epi, however I just finished a H-Drol/Xtreme Tren cycle. It went ok, gains could have been better if I had kept my diet in check.

    Best of luck with your cycle.
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    i go with Halo-T 400 (halo and trem)... becouse 2 methyls in my blood is to harsh to my liver...and my liver is weak....

    Follow a diet like:

    1º meal medium to low carb, high protein low fat
    2º meal low carb high protein low fat
    3º meal medium to low carb, high protein, low fat
    4º meal high fat, high protein (pré work out) GH enhance
    5º meal high carb, high protein(pós) IGF-1 enhance
    6º meal 0 carb, high protein, medium to low fat
    7º meal Lean protein (before bed)

    to enhance the cut capacity and to maintain health with muscle gain and fat burn....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Brasil View Post
    Rafael Brasil:
    i dont do a PCT becouse my "master" says to recovery naturaly after my bad experience with phera-clone

    i feel my BAAAD experience in my ****.... obvious i run a properly PCT.... with Clomid, tamoxifene, and testo boosters (tribullus, zma, maca etc)

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    tnick7
    Tren/halo = Safer probably but chance of prolactin issues so have p-5-p on hand (I think), less liver issues.

    please, what is P-5-P???
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    i run halo-t cycle in 2009 or summer...

    help me with my next cycle (next week i start)

    the cycle: a phera-plex and andro combination with proviron(to libido stay up)

    my gains stay wet? what time to take the Phs??

    2 phera caps and 1 pack of andro every training
    what time to take it?
    1 phera before breakfast
    1 phera after lunch
    1 andro 30 minuter prior to training? (training 6PM)

    1 or 2 proviron EVERY day heheheh

    4 week cycle or five if my libido stay up....
    i run 2 or 3 caps of phera plex?
    10/20/30/30??
    20/20/20/20?? (my plan)
    20/30/30/30??
    30/30/30/30??

    1 pack of andro:
    1-androstenedione-3 beta, 17 beta diol 50mg
    4-androstenedione 175mg
    5androstenediol 75mg

    what are my side effects??
    what are my gains??
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    i search but i need YOUR opnion.... ok?
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    man, do you have any information about andro and phera stack??

    please i dont have anythink... and i dont know about the old andro... please..understand....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Epi's a much superior hormone to tren (dienolone) IMO. That combo can really dry out your joints though. I'd pre load cissus + a glucosamine combo supp. The Tren/Halo would probably provide less shutdown though.
    no way man

    halo and epi would be far better to run with a much easier recovery.

    i ran it after a 4 weekser on super and prostanolol. 16 days pct, 12.5mg nolva, 10mg aromasin PER DAY.

    btw, i havent seen u on PAs thread man, check out the PCT thing i put up on there.

    So i recently read this study......
    [Clomiphene citrate therapy in idiopathic male inf...[Hinyokika Kiyo. 1988] - PubMed Result

    and it showed that Clomid RAISED prolactin levels by 1.22 times what it already was.

    can this be the cause for DELAYED gyno that is prolactin related?
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    Nobody seems to know, it's like bigfoot. Everyone has different theory's but there's really no way to be certain with otc hormones. P5P's a great otc supp to reduce prolactin, I got the NOW version. I figured Pat got sick of us & decided to leave
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Nobody seems to know, it's like bigfoot. Everyone has different theory's but there's really no way to be certain with otc hormones. P5P's a great otc supp to reduce prolactin, I got the NOW version. I figured Pat got sick of us & decided to leave

    yea dude, but did you see that article i posted, that may be a cause!, and if nolvadex is similar in action, who knows what else will happen

    until this is resolved, ill be using nolvadex, for PCT, i dont want no leaky nips
  

  
 

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